Is the 4th generation ruled by girl groups?

Stray Kids is in 3.827617 generation and leading it, respect

yes its pretty apparent,

gg stans likely to check out and listen other gg even one is competitor to their faves, they are more open

bg stans are very loyal they just stick with their faves, that's why bgs have hard time going beyond their fanbase as other bg stans won't check them out cus they think they r threat to their faves, and gg stans won't check them out cus majority of theme hate men

and people outside kpop prefers ggs better cus they think bgs are gay

Yes, as it should be.

There's really no interesting bgs so ggs take the cake

yes, thank god.

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Stray Kids (? are they 3th or 4th generation?)

Yes they are 4th gen. This shouldn't even be a discussion in 2022.

lot of talk but very little action

every generation is rule by girl group

Because bgs are very musically boring. Its the same "hard hitting", "badass", and "leather straps" concept and it's all very loud to the ears. The bgs that do make listenable music are nugu or extremely hated on because kpop stans have proven time and time again that they hate good music

I think every gen boygroups are getting more fandom based (they were before, but key word is "more") and getting less attention from casual fans. So overall even if they sell more, it's harder to feel their popularity, see a lot of expectations for their comeback (fans will ever be excited, I'm talking about kpop comunity as a whole) and things like this.

GGs steped up their sales game and are getting hits, tbh I would never imagine we would have so many ggs selling more than 300k. I agree 4th gen is ruled by ggs so far.

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Because bgs are very musically boring. Its the same "hard hitting", "badass", and "leather straps" concept and it's all very loud to the ears. The bgs that do make listenable music are nugu or extremely hated on because kpop stans have proven time and time again that they hate good music

Yes, nugu bgs have some gems. Everytime there's kpop fans "oh, all bgs always do the same music", "girl crush is boring, I want cute concepts" and things like this, I'm like: well, if everyone pays attention only to popular acts, how another concept will become trendy?

I barely listen any BG, but the they’re doing badass, try hard concept is false. Look at TXT and Enhypen they don’t make noise music and are standing out but the GP still said no.

Let’s not act some GG released questionable songs and they’re still smashed.

But I’ve hard time to connect with BG even with shitty songs some GG have the charisma to pull their concept. So idk.

boy groups still sale more than girl groups by far...so no to your question

Because all non-Hybe 4th gen BGs either make trash music or are nugu.

Besides, it's a good direction I say

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Stray Kids is in 3.827617 generation and leading it, respect

more like 3.1415926535 generation

girl groups are more talked about cos is easier to shade on BlackPink, number 1 gg right now, with no come back in 2 years and no group activities, all gg fans from 4 gen come and say this group or that group is the new BP

But no 4 gen Boy group fan would be that stupid to dare say that this group or that group is the next BTS cos

  armys are scary

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Because bgs are very musically boring. Its the same "hard hitting", "badass", and "leather straps" concept and it's all very loud to the ears. The bgs that do make listenable music are nugu or extremely hated on because kpop stans have proven time and time again that they hate good music

leather straps that is soooo true

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So overall even if they sell more, it's harder to feel their popularity, see a lot of expectations for their comeback (fans will ever be excited, I'm talking about kpop comunity as a whole) and things like this.

That's an interesting point. Like taking second gen groups, you felt their popularity. Super Junior's "Sorry Sorry" dance was everywhere; general public emulated G-Dragon's style; TVXQ were household names.

YES! there's no other answer. 4th gen is all about new girl groups, IVE, Aespa, Stayc, Nmixx, Itzy, Everybody! nobody has THAT same hype for boy groups that are debuting. 4th gens biggest comebacks/debuts are all from GG.

the list of top 4th gen bgs vs top 4th gen ggs should be

stray kids, txt, enhypen, ateez, treasure

vs

gidle/aespa, ive, stayc, itzy, nmixx, kep1er

(yes, in that order)

txt and enhypen are on the verge of a korean gp break through so we'll have to see how their next cbs fair. but all in all we already know korea just like girl groups more. internationally the boy groups are much more celebrated in ifan communities, with aespa being up there too. the right combo of hit song viral member would do wonders for most of the bgs. treasure, enhypen, and txt all have had semi viral moments on tik tok. they're all very close

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I have the feeling that the girl groups are much more present than the boy groups.

Of course, there are many incredible boygroups, such as...

Enhypen, TXT, Treasure, Ateez, The Boyz

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HAHA. Why would you question if Stray Kids is 4G if you don't question The Boyz being in 4G yet they debuted before Stray Kids.

But on topic. It's just people on this forum that are being more present for their GG favs than the boy groups. 4G BG are doing very well and gaining traction all the time at about the same rate as the GG's. It is just that people on this forum like fan wars more than they actually like their favs.

well not according to the ministry of culture. BGs have more impact globally and to the SK economy. Talent and taste are subjective but impact is measurable. No GP or casual fans will buy anything related to certain grps they just casually listen but loyal fans will almost buy everything they can afford— from food they eat to clothes they wear in practice session in addition to albums & merchs. Bigger fb also means more successful concerts. And they also hv higher engagements & followers in social media so it means higher possibility to trend and make more people curious abt kpop , kbeauty etc, kproducts etc. So if u look at the bigger picture, they are MORE relevant. I used the word “ MORE” coz both contribute to kpop industry and usually have different market anyways.

Hmmm. Domestically girl groups easily take the crown. Internationally it's boy groups getting the upper hand.

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well not according to the ministry of culture. BGs have more impact globally and to the SK economy. Talent and taste are subjective but impact is measurable. No GP or casual fans will buy anything related to certain grps they just casually listen but loyal fans will almost buy everything they can afford— from food they eat to clothes they wear in practice session in addition to albums & merchs. Bigger fb also means more successful concerts. And they also hv higher engagements & followers in social media so it means higher possibility to trend and make more people curious abt kpop , kbeauty etc, kproducts etc. So if u look at the bigger picture, they are MORE relevant. I used the word “ MORE” coz both contribute to kpop industry and usually have different market anyways.

lol thats no true, is a reason why GGs have more CFs, ggs are selling too and a lot, which is why companies want them to represent them and i also disagree that bgs have more impact globally, ggs are doing pretty well globally too, even better in some ways them

Also lets remember that we are not in 2nd gen, GGs can sell concerts as much as BGs.

GGs are capturing the attention of the public and BGs are successful amongst fangirls, same as always really

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lol thats no true, is a reason why GGs have more CFs, ggs are selling too and a lot, which is why companies want them to represent them and i also disagree that bgs have more impact globally, ggs are doing pretty well globally too, even better in some ways them

Also lets remember that we are not in 2nd gen, GGs can sell concerts as much as BGs.

bgs have more followers, trend more, sell more globally. bigger fandom, bigger opportunity for concerts. cfs are only relevant in korea but boygroups also have product endorsements from different countries-Enhypen has Abib from SK, AMI from France & Nike in Japan. SKZ has product endorsement from SEA country. For example, in ministry of culture reseach “ Abib” k beauty products are one of the most searched or u knw hv relevant bubbles under kbeauty branching out fr enhypen. Enhypen even has bigger bubble than aespa under kpop category for impact. i never said ggs dont hv fans, bgs simply hv bigger fandom- check the followers & social engagements in all platforms. Also, it’s no longer 2010 or early 2000 that rely too much in digital streaming. Physical sales are on the rise even for ggs. Globalization is the future! Being popular in SK is just one of tools for success or relevancy & ministry of culture deep research abt impact of kpop globally in SK proves that. U can see several bgs in that. If it’s Korean GP driven, u will not see a single 4th gen bgs on that! 😂

BTS and BP success are not because of Korean GP, it’s because they have the biggest & most dedicated fandom in Kpop industry. Being supported by GP are just cherry on top.

As a third gen stan I‘m very sad to admit that 4th gen groups really do not attract me to be a casual listener.

I don’t even know what the reason exactly is. Some people have pointed out a lack of versatility which I also noticed but I also find boy group members to be kind of robotic and identical.

There are very few boy group members in my opinion that stay in your mind as opposed to girl groups who are full of incredibly charismatic girls.

4th gen GGs are so much better than the BGs that i am becoming a GG stan

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yes its pretty apparent,

gg stans likely to check out and listen other gg even one is competitor to their faves, they are more open

bg stans are very loyal they just stick with their faves, that's why bgs have hard time going beyond their fanbase as other bg stans won't check them out cus they think they r threat to their faves, and gg stans won't check them out cus majority of theme hate men

and people outside kpop prefers ggs better cus they think bgs are gay

But there is another side to that too.

Yes, more people listen to GGs casually, I would say. My fave group is a BG, but even I listen to more GGs than BGs.

However, that means a group can easily lose relevance and support again, if they mostly rely on casual fans. We talked about it in another thread yesterday. Like Everglow's star that sparkled so brightly (almost exclusively by casual interest) and now they seem to have lost interest quickly and they can't rely on a big fandom that sticks with them.

Theres not much difference from second and third gen. Girl groups are as always more dominant in the public and boygroups have the more hardcore fandoms that actually spends money.

The only difference is that the second and third gen had/have bigbang and bts as the exception to the rule, whereas the fourth gen has no equivalent in a boygroup as of yet.

In the end the bgs still rake in more money on merch, albums and concerts and is likely to have a longer career (as a group)

Pretty much I think.

Kpop has always been about girl groups for me...

It's trully rare for me to like bgs... I listen to it but not much fangirling

yes for now

Here's how things compare with regard to music show wins for the Fourth Generation:

Boy Groups: 63 wins (28.00%)

Girl Groups: 153 wins (68.00%)

Female Soloists: 4 wins (1.78%)

Male Soloists: 5 wins (2.22%)

TOTAL: 225 wins

Yeah it’s mostly ggs, with the exception of bgs like enhypen, txt

Interesting thought.

I do think that 4th gen boy groups (so far) have been making less of an impact compared with 2nd boy groups like DBSK/Super Junior/2PM/Big Bang or 3rd gen boy groups like BTS/EXO.

At least in South Korea.

Internationally, it's a different story I guess.