Posts by Kreatin

    If Bibi did not defeat IU the latter would have taken #1

    Defeated how? It spent less time at #1, it has less uls, streams and digital score and its not even in top 100 today, while lwa is still in top 25. The song is good but its bascially a viral hit with with seemingly not much longevity.


    But there are other bigger songs this year that beats out both so


    The thing with IU is the consistency, its not that she have the top song of the year every year.

    And in Korea in specific, older audience mainly listen to trot. It's a whole demography that only focus on that, that's why we had the same song topping the Gallup poll for the 40s+ for 3 consecutive years now, let's not even talk about the artists... they listen all the time the same artists and music.


    The below 30s rank is the most accurate way to measure real popularity, the other one is barely going to change in the following decade. Obviously IU stands out making it quite high even among the older audience, she's the singer of the century in korea, but she's an exception, not the rule.

    Yea, the whole reason they started splitting the group into 10-39/40+ in 2020 is because the trot artists were starting to take over the top 10 every year, because while the younger generations have hundreds of artists and songs to choose from, the older generation have 5-6 popular trot artists and a handful of songs which made their vote weight that much higher and the rankings didnt make much sense because of it.


    One can also see the trend with IU moving up higher in the older brackets as the years go by, in 2030 its likely she will start topping the 40/50 age bracket while going down in the teens bracket. What people listen to in their youth is what they will stick with and the discovery of new music basically stops dead in the 30's for the wast majority of people.

    Hey, been awhile.. loss of interest in general with the slower charts in korea so i havent really checked in here for the last couple of months, but still check guysome briefly almost daily, so visiting the site today came as quite the shock..

    So Guyso is going private?

    Yea, they say they had a data corruption, and the error also resulted in huge bandwidht costs because of traffic they get so they decided to limit who can view the site for now


    I sent a mail requesting access (english is fine, but response is in korean) and was granted access within an hour(i also had api access since earlier when it was still available). They accept users who access it daily and can be helpful with reporting any errors with the data. Its currently setup to work via a vpn connection but as i understood it they are working on better alternatives.

    PAK and nevermind PAK hours is pretty much down to timing and luck depending on chart competition and releases. Of course you need a song that can sweep the charts to begin with, but a number of more or less random factors decides if it will get PAK and especially how many hours it will rack up.


    PAK hours as a measure of comparision is also pretty much meaningless because of this and because of the fact how easy/hard it is to get have changed a number of times over the years. SM artists for example was banned from one of the included charts and could therefore not get PAK at all for first five years.


    In the last years its actually become overall harder to get a PAK, but its much easier to get alot of hours once a song actually manages it. It used to be that getting over 10 hours of pak was an extreme rarity, just getting more than one hour was impressive. These days most songs that get PAK will do at least 100+hours .


    In the first ten years of its existance (2010-2019), two or three songs in total got over 100 pak hours. Looking at the top 10 of most hours today, and every single song on it got their paks in 2020-2024


    These days after the inclusion of youtube weekly (all other charts are daily) on instiz 2-3 years ago, the timing is even more important and with a few exceptions, its now extremly hard for any non idol artist to get PAK if they also dont have a flashy music video to go with the song.


    Supernova could likely have challenged the top song when it comes to hours, but it was blocked by other new releases on youtube chart in the first few weeks.

    Actually it did

    Next level dethrone Butter to reach #1 on melon chart

    And stay there for few days


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    Yea you are right, could have sworn it never did but it topped melon daily for six days and also got a melon weekly the same week over a month after release. For the level of hit it one would expect it to have a couple of weeks at #1 at least, but it had a slower burn and some bad timing against new releases

    * Supernova doing very well, only other new song this year that have managed roof hit on the old melon realtime chart besides LWA.


    * I see people still conflating mma soty award with melon calendar year daily uls, its not the same thing. If supernova continues performing its very possible ut will get mma soty without getting #1 on yearly melon chart (which is very unlikely even with the higher ul numbers currently). Dynamite was brought up as comparision, it won the soty but because its late release was only #12 on the yearly melon chart.



    The defeat by Bibi, with the song from Jang Kiha, who was IU's ex and knows how to fight the Senior Singer, was decisive so what happened after that is like an afterthought.

    You mean the song that have less time spent at #1, less paks and is now currently charting below lwa on the two biggest charts despite lwa being a month older?

    It's kind of crazy that Armaggedon did the double of How sweet in term of album stream on melon 😲😲😲


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    Well, theres 10 songs on the aespas album..

    Bubblegum may actually surpass How Sweet pretty quickly. Yesterday the difference between the two songs was 70k uls whereas now it is 34k uls. In the scenario that they had released Bubblegum a month ago on streaming services this could have been a repeat of Ditto and OMG's charting.

    Hard to judge by sunday drops, as all ul gaps get squished with the higher ranking songs losing the most, while saturday will have the absolute peak of uls for the week (specifically 16-17pm). But looking at the perfomance on other charts its does seem likely

    next level made a comeback in youtube music SK and is propably coming to get the #1 spot away from attention


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    Youtube longest charting songs is weird because they arbitrary remove songs from the chart depending on their own metrics after a "few months", so its not really a fair system with equal oppurtunity for songs to rank up weeks on.

    Is it chart manipulation because someone is being paid to process a program that continuously stream? What if there is a fan who have 10 computers/phones or laptops, and they stream the artist's songs on loop? Multiply that fan by the fandom amount, or if they rent out a PC bang and stream those songs all day, would that also considered manipulation?


    Do we draw the line because there is money involved or because a program was used, or is it because the person is related to the artists (same company)?

    Fandom streaming, using multiple devices etc is chart manipulation as well as the end result is the same regardless if a company pays a clickfarm for it or thousands of fans stream on five devices each 24/7: its outside of normal behavior and it ends up manipulating the charts. Fans tend to dislike saying it out loud tho and will argue against it as its somehow not manipulating the charts.


    Now, one could still argue that one form of manipulation is worse than the other

    For melon yearly chart, im pretty certain plot twist is set for #1 now, fate likely to be #2 and LWA #3. Even with the general increase in uls and even if it continues to rise, i doubt any song released now can manage to overtake 3-4 months head start in accumulated uls that these songs have.


    Bam yang gang will probably end up outside of top five, its currently at #6 and have now fallen behind LWA in 24h uls on melon. Doubtful if it can overcome To x or rhapsody of rain.

    It's not really fair to compare Sunmi or anyone really directly against IU when it comes to korean charts. For most metrics it will look very lopsided, even when comparing against some of the biggest acts..



    IU/SUNMI

    Circle chart songs at #1: 31/2 (bigbang in second place with 11 songs)

    Circle chart weeks at #1: 64/3 (bts in second place with 24 weeks)

    Circle chart months at #1: 16/0 (bigbang in second place with 9 months)

    Perfect all kills(songs): 22/1 (bigbang in second place with 6 songs)