yeah, idg anyone thinking hybe can't or wont attempt to blacklist newjeans if they leave. the politics are real with certain sectors. i still remember when hybe and mbc were having a feud bc bts went to a u.s show instead of gayo daejun and hybe groups didn't perform on mbc for like over 3 years.... that kind of leverage is not to be underestimated. and when bts comes back and hybe has their brand deals as leverage... it is not something newjeans should play around with if they arent ready to be burned.
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tbh I have no idea why she signed the stock deal last year that gave her 18% but with stipulations (like the draconian non-compete). MHJ claimed that she trusted park jiwon and showed texts of their conversations where she confronted him after she signed the contract. I still don't fully understand the context but I have an extremely weird feeling about park jiwon as well - I don't trust him, and I also think he needs to step down in hybe.
thats the thing. her actions leading up to the scheme don't make sense and her excuses for them are all over the place. i find it interesting that she didn't bring up the stuff about park jiwon forcing her into the contract in court. i feel like that would have been more substantial than the stuff about bsh ignoring nwjns. but maybe those texts were out of context like what she keeps claiming about hybe's text logs lol. either way i do think that convo with park jiwon was sus af and he shouldn't have pressured her to sign if she truly didn't understand. but i don't believe someone as seasoned in the industry as her didn't have a lawyer read it bc she "trusted" park jiwon. her relationship with bsh seemed to have already been damaged by then bc of the chaewon and sakura recruitment on top of that. there is a piece to the contract situation missing imo. and her not bringing it up in court says smtg.
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IU remained loyal to her agency for several renewals (specifically 2015 and 2018). There were a lot of industry rumors that YG offered IU a lucrative sign-on bonus and contract in 2017, but she still decided to stay with Loen (which became Kakao M after the acquisition. Even when IU spun off to her own agency (EDAM), she still gave Kakao first rights to invest, which is why they owned 40% at inception and increased their stake to 52% currently.
I don't think MHJ will be satisfied being anyone's subsidiary. She's also moving very fast considering she only signed on to Hybe in 2019, and basically went from a director to a senior exec (CBO) to CEO of her own sub label within 3 years.
this part is literally the problem. one can argue mhj has every right to try to cut hybe out, but the problem is she did it way too soon and for petty reasons based on what has come out. if the texts are to be believed she wasn't even trying to be amicable in her contract re-negotiation. she already wanted to get out from hybe almost the second ador was set up. the contract only became an issue because of that. this is just not what you do when you enter a lucrative business deal with a major corporation and player in the industry. you wait, you build, you nurture the connections, not destroy them. her greed got the best of her. period.
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Isn't that a problem? I'm not saying that someone should be in high position just because they are women. I'm saying that it's weird that women are rarely in high positions. I get that perhaps it's women's choice, and they want to do less demanding job, but still. I personally find it weird
the kpop industry upper echelon is male dominated and has been for a long time. men get into positions of power and then bring other men with them. mhj never would have gotten such a high level position in sm, they literally rejected her gg concept in favor of aespa which is one reason sited as her departure from sm. men is male dominated industries tend to like it to be a boys club. and i think kpop gets away with it bc there def are tons of female employees, they are just much lower ranked.
that said, i can think of two female kpop ceos off the top of my head and one is dsp's ceo that became ceo bc her husband, the previous ceo, got sick and eventually died. and the ceo of the company of that group omega x who assaulted the members so... not a great track record unfortunately.
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I’m really curious to see if all the people petitioning for her will trust her with their money.
a lot of the people petitioning for her don't even have the resources to give her lol. she'd need the big players she was allegedly already talking to. but i think some people are forgetting these investors wanted ador and newjeans, two things mhj will not be leaving hybe with.
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but after? clearly she ain't staying in hybe, and she's taking ador staff / trainees / idols with her
.i feel like its a little delusional to think people are going to risk their check for mhj. maybe some staff will leave bc of how hybe has handled things, but will any of her female staff still trust her after how she handled an SA complaint? i feel like a lot of support she is getting from her comrades is contingent on her being able to prove hybe wrong and stay/continue her plan to "free" ador from hybe. the second they successfully fire her, its going to get real silent from people that are still in the company. ntm the trainees auditioned for a hybe company and were rumoured to be offered a transfer to any other hybe company if they were concerned about the debut timeline. many people will still see hybe as the stable, "reliable" party in the end. im unsure about newjeans, but i'd have to think the parents see leaving hybe rn would be a mistake, if thats even what the girls truly want.
i also think people are underestimating how much of her reputation mhj has tarnished. i mean, she showed that she is willing to attack other groups under the same company she has vested interest in publicly and viciously, that she will whistleblow common industry practices like "album pushing" to make herself look like a saint while simultaneously overstocking albums anyway, that she will overvalue herself and her work, that she will claim the whole world is copying her. i am quite interested to see who would possibly invest in her after this. if she does get investors, they will want a tighter leash on her than hybe ever managed, thats for sure. that contract is going to be full of contingencies.
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Lol
if mhj can claim with her whole chest that lsrf stole lv and coachella from newjeans, i think speculation on all deals is fair game. if hybe truly shuffles deals that means deals were shuffled for newjeans too. and i don't really see a big problem with that but someone made it an issue so here we are.
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i honestly think this part was just speculation iirc. unless you have an article. basically she booked tokyo dome using a different concert promoter that is not hybe's, but that doesn't mean hybe didn't facilitate her ability to even book there per se. i am interested in more details about this tho.
i will also say about takashi murakami, he has interacted with bts before. i would not be surprised if his interest in hybe groups stemmed from them or if he would have collabed with bts too if they weren't in the military. (this is from 2022)
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Summarised by redditor: goingtotheriver
About tomorrow's decision. Hybe might not necessarily win if... Please read below translation/interpretation.
interesting that mhj's team is allegedly disparaging news sources from publishing the texts. guess that answers people who are questioning why kmedia isn't reporting as much on them. i am definitely interested to see if the chat logs end up being inadmissible bc of the consent in future trials, bc imo it generally seems like companies are allowed to view messages that were on their own server. i guess the issue of legality just comes into question when taking it to court.
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i'm kind of surprised mhj went silent I'm sure we will get a statement about latest chats, she hasn't responded to the defamation suit too
her lawyers probably finally put their foot down and told her to shut up. especially with the rumor that her lawyers may be dropping her.
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I feel a lot of people have been getting the wrong impression that MHJ is getting 100% support because Tokkis have been manipulating the narrative. I said it earlier they are demonstrating the same behaviour I've seen in many male dominated K fadoms in the past.
I think recent events in Korea and the mass downturn in hype for NJ pretty much shows the seeming mass support for MHJ and anti HYBE sentiment isn't as cut and dry as certain sites are making it seem.
I think the grenades that have been dropped have damaged both sides and the actual sentiment right now is a mix of people not giving a shit or a lot of people being mixed on it and a lots just turning on MHJ as it goes on and more comes out she's looking worse and worse.
this is so true tbh. so many people rush to post selectively translated comments from pan and theqoo when im sure most average koreans don't care or have legitimately neutral views and are actually reading the full responses from both sides. i think mhj has made some interesting rebuts to hybe's accusations, and hybe has made many mistakes in all this, but mhj seems very untrustworthy atp. hybe rlly got her with those texts. her responses since that have not hit the same.
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"He doesn't do anything wrong" is quite the reply to someone saying he gets defended for everything he does lol
There are plenty of times valid criticism of Hybe and BSH, not at all related to Newjeans mistreatment (an argument I've never made) and get swarmed by droves of hybe stans that cannot take any criticism towards him or interprets it as a defense of MHJ
Criticizing one isn't defending the other and the lack of understanding on that, from both sides, is maddening
you love reading whatever you want to read and not what was actually said
i didn't say none of these things weren't "wrong". they do prove bsh is not a good person in general. im just saying the framing of them is what i personally don't agree with. it is not about your argument, but the argument being made by mhj.i have backtracked these threads almost completely when i've had the time and i seriously cannot think of people bringing up "valid bsh criticisms" that were not what i just listed or about how he has treated bts. and the only people being characterised as hybe stans here are armys so... we clearly do not have the same perspective of what goes on in this thread.
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They don't like him
But they'll sure defend everything he does
what has bsh himself actually done in all this tho?
- ignored newjeans on a few occasions
- wanted mhj to debut sakura and chaewon, which she refused to do, so he debuted sakura and chaewon in a separate group that happened to debut first?
- asked mhj in a private convo if mhj could "crush aespa"
- made shady private comments to mhj showing he was salty about nwjns' success?
like, no one is saying this man isn't a raging asshole. the issue is the contextualisation of all of this as "newjeans' mistreatment", which is literally what mhj is trying to do. i also have trouble agreeing that any of these instances are valid reasons for mhj to illegally try to get ador out from under hybe after reaping tons of financial benefits, or to start a media war with the company using their groups as fodder.
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I swear, Bang could literally kill someone at this point and army will say that it is just MHJ pr
min heejin could kill someone and her shooters would still say its hybe mediaplay. it goes both ways. but the difference is most armys do not like or care for bsh. you and a few users repeating a narrative a million times doesn't make it true.
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Stop with the weak justifications for defending the decision to demolish a creative team that has literally never missed. NewJeans aren't even officially 2 yet. Stop it.
I mean this with all sincerity. Nobody cares what you think. You are not a Tokki. And no sane Tokki wants to see NewJeans' creative team shipped out for whatever corporate stooges Hybe wants to replace them with.
you are seriously so exhausting to interact with. y'all are still only talking in hypotheticals bc nothing has actually happened yet. your view of whats "going to happen" is no more valid than mine. i took the "grammy producer" search to be for their creative director. mhj is often described as their "producer". bc she produced the group in general, not their music.
hybe already said they only intend to get rid of the board of directors. and yall chose to not belive that which is fair enough bc i don't think hybe is an 100% trustworthy company by any means. if people chose to walk with mhj, thats another story entirely. i am just not of the bordeline delusional opinion that they're really going to sit there and destroy their most successful newgen act on purpose. they have board members/ investors to answer to for anything that effects their profit. the "hiatus" was also just an assumption made my the parents bc there was a mention of a vacation + the 2 yr search for a "producer" so they assumed it was a 2 year hiatus. i prefer to form opinions based in fact.
i have never called myself a tokki because i am at an age where i would have been unsettled calling myself a stan of a group with a 13 year old member. but i was a fan of them from day1. i have all their albums pre how sweet. ditto and omg were my most streamed songs on spotify in 2023. you can say im "not a tokki" all you want. doesn't hurt me.
