Honey, I could use all the arguments and examples, you're always going to ignore all of them, because you only care about hype. There's no point to continue this conversation. Immortal Song are not the main reason why they are Legends already. It just one example. They won 3 different vocal competition show, btw. They're probably the only girl group who was invited to "You Hee-yeol's Sketchbook" show for the most time, I already shared the video with you. And for the record, that guy is a Legend too, he was the one who discovered Legends like IU!
Which career is more impressive? Let's be fair, okay? Mamamoo built their own company, while Blackpink just enjoyed the fast and EASIER success, if you watched the other video you would know what I'm talking about. Mamaoo had to starve, doing their own choreos, and perform on streets, while Blackpink debut was in Japan (I think) in a huge stage.
Sure, Blackpink achieved a LOT of things, and I always said that their album and ticket sales are impressive, but do you think they would sell the same amount if they would be a small company group like Mamamoo? That's why what Mamamoo achieved is more impressive, because they did it without any help. Also, they broke BP's US debut tour record, too. The only super biased here, is you!
For the last time, I'm not pretending, I watched Blackpink from DAY 1, I know almost everything about them, especially from their early years! I know Rose was on "King of Mask Singer", but do you know that EVERYONE from Mamamoo was there, too!
8 times! 😅 I mean, it's not even a competition, because Mamamoo basically the group that has the most Variety or Vocal competition show appearances, at least in the 3rd gen. Again, it's all thanks to YG!!!!
What other show Rose was on, btw? I don't see any other competition show. Also, Mamamoo members, especially Solar were Judges and Mentors on multiple competition shows, Solar doing it right now on TWO show with Wendy from RV.
Their Coachella performance was average compared to the other performers, not just Kpop. That's their best performance for sure, I mean the NEW, not the one from 2019, because they had to perform live without lip-syncing, but come on, that wasn't the best performance ever. Not even the best Kpop concert. I mean, Epik High, 2NE1 for example were better, but that's about taste, so there's no point arguing about that.
Mamamoo was also praised by many US outlets too. You can find them. Rolling Stones, Billboard etc. We can continue this madness for weeks, both groups were praised by many people, but only Mamamoo were praised for the vocals and LIVE PERFORMANCES!
You're always using the term overhype. Overhyped or not, let's face it, no other ggs have done what they've done that's why they're being called the biggest gg in the world. Just by carrying that big of a title on their shoulders, that speaks of a legendary career
I asked you a simple question and all you answered was a bunch of excuses and what ifs. Bruh, we're not gonna play the what ifs cause it didn't happen.
We're talking about being legends here, not who's the best vocalist. If you want to argue if MMM is the most talented vocalist gg in kpop, I won't be part of that we're talking about being legendary group not who's the most talented vocalist.
US debut tour? Goodluck besting the born pink era tour
To critic their coachella performance, I think I'd rather believe the critics and articles written about them than an obvious bp-anti in akp
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All of that
See, this is why I said Blinks are dumb, clueless, and lazy. I said it MULTIPLE TIMES that Lisa is one of the best dancer in Korea, and I also said many times that Rose is the best singer in the group. It's not like I hate them or never praised them. You only showed me articles about dancing and Rose's singing abilities that are average btw, even tho I love her, that's a fact, because YG never trained her well.
That's the problem, you didn't know, but you're still acting like you know everything. Immortal Songs is basically a stepping stone for real artists, because you have to compete with REAL Legends, cover their songs, showing your LIVE vocals, dancing, and stage presence. The MIC is ALWAYS ON, so you can't cheat and you don't get any help. I know it's YG's fault, but the fact that they never let Blackpink participate in ANY vocal competition, says a lot. Babymonster girls are much better vocalists, yet YG still keeping them in the dungeon.
Go, read this: You can see their performances too - Immortal Songs 2
This is why 'Immortal Songs' are important, btw:
Also, You can find a LOT of article and video about Wheein too, but she's not a member of an overhyped group, so people don't really hype her up, but everyone knows that she's one of the best vocalist and dancer in Korea. She's probably better than Lisa, because she's more versatile, but both of them are in the TOP10. You can find a lot of video on YT about dancers reviewing both of them, btw. Even American singers praised Wheein.
So, again, the only thing you can show is the hype. What you said now, I mentioned already, many times. I NEVER said, they can't be Legends, I said, they're not Legends YET! YG did a shit job with them, BUT still Blackpink is only overhyped because of YG, not because the ladies are so talented. Like it or not, that's a fact.
Also, I agree, they could've been much better at a company like SM, for example, because they care about training their talents. But the simple fact is that now that they left YG, it's all on them. Their fans can't blame anyone if t hey will flop. If they won't, I will be the first who will praise them, ESPECIALLY if I will see developments in their skills like: vocals, dancing, writing, producing etc.
So, stop acting like if I'm a hater, this is just fair criticism. IF Mamamoo would be overhyped like BP, I would say the same thing. Being an overhyped group or artist is only a negative when the artist themselves are not as talented they should've. Most mainstream singers, not just in Korea, are totally average. For example, Taylor Swift.
Your argument is totally flawed. Idc how many times they've been invited to that show, if you're going to use that as one of your main barometer why you're assuming they're a legend? That's very weak. We're not gonna measure a group being a legend by one show. It's their entire careers. Tell me which career is more impressive, bp or mamamoo? Now this one I will see if you're just super bias or reasonable.
For the third time, I'm gonna say for the third time, stop pretending you know about bp. When did they join a competition? Idk ask Rosie. She joined 2 shows.
Overhyped? Yeah, they were being praised for their coachella performance. Oh wait, that's should not happen to "overhype" or "average" groups
Everyone look away!! That's for my eyes only
I never see Blackpink winning vocal group awards. Did you? I didn't see anyone praising their talents. Everyone says they're the biggest gg, and that's true, but no one mentioned that they're great singers, rappers or dancers. Show me proof and I will believe you. Real article or videos, not fan opinions.
I could post like 100 other videos about Mamamoo. You watch "Immortal Songs 2" series, they were there for 15 times and won it 3 times. No other girl group ever done that. They beat your faves US debut tour numbers without PR, if you wanna talk about hype.
Mamamoo could've been hyped as well with a better company and more luck, because they were invited to Coachella too in 2019, but thanks to Covid it was canceled in early 2020. That would start their international career, but no, RBW didn't care enough, so Wheein left, and later Whasa too, and they had to wait 3 more years to perform in the US. While your faves had everything since day 1.
Creating RBW from the ground with the talent and hard work alone, they deserve the Legendary status, because they're the female version of Bigbang and BTS. The only difference is that RBW is led by idiots.
SNSD members wrote way more songs than BP, and they became Legends because they invented a LOT of things in Kopop, and vocally they were one of the best.
You keep arguing with me but never showed a single proof why Blackpink should be considered Legends.
https://www.allkpop.com/articl…in-recent-radio-interview (In this article, it's been tackle that Jennie is good at writing songs. They've been writing their own lyrics during pre-debut. YG just doesn't want to let them. All the pinks have credits in lyrics to some of their songs.)
There are a lot more that I forgot from other idols themselves
Stop me with "could've been" statements. Heck, there's also a lot of could've been in BP's career. If YG did a good job at handling them, they'd for sure achieved more!
Oh and if you're wondering what legacy would BP leave? They're the biggest GG in the world! That's one the hardest legacy anyone could achieved. Being at the top of the mountain isn't for anyone, it's only the destined ones
Why do you keep bringing that one show? I didn't know that is the entrance for being a legendary group. What a weak argument
Rose's solo proved as long you have big playlisting your song will do numbers, once the playlisting ends the song could maintain stability if its good or free fall like on the ground did, you need to try harder mate
No playlisting could save twice from their digital flopness. Both solo and group
I literally shared a video with you. Please watch it! You don't even understand what REAL LEGEND means. You keep talking about HYPE, while I'm talking about TALENT! Blackpink is average at best, because YG never developed their skills. They're not even real aritst, because they hardly wrote or composed songs. The ONE AND ONLY thing you count them as Legends because they are overhyped. That's all.
This is the last video I will show you, if you're really interested in why people keep saying Mamamoo is a Legendary group already, use the search option. I won't do research for you, especially if you don't even watch the videos.External Content youtu.beContent embedded from external sources will not be displayed without your consent.
AND FOR THE RECORD!!!!!
Never said Blackpink girls can't be Legends! I said, they're not Legends, just because they're hyped, but they can be, if they will develop their skills and finally start making good music on their own. That's why I'm interested in what they will do. So, you can't say I'm biased.
Bruh have you really watched the videos you've been sending? Even the videos wouldn't make a strong case why they are legends
Like I told you before, that's why if you're not a fan, don't talk like you're knowledgeable about them cause you're making yourself look like a fool. You wanna bring up the topic that MMM was being praised about their talents? Where's your energy when BP is praised with their talents? Going blind cause it doesn't fit your narrative?
Again, only you, yourself is pushing for them to be a legend.
I can give you MMM as a talented group but a legend? Nope
Writing songs? SNSD didn't become a legend because of it. You're putting your own standards for for your own legend standards.
Literally EVERYONE in the industry, not just in Korea, says that about them. It's not me or any other Moomoo.
Sure, they're not overhyped like your faves, but they changed the whole industry, that's why BP and many other new girl groups can have a better life. Not perfect, but better.
I think you should watch this video about them, and there are others too when industry people talking about them, but I think this is the most important Mamamoo video on Youtube. Sums up, pretty well, why they deserve more recognition.
I honestly understand your point, but still, just because people don't know something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. A lot of people don't know anything about Queen are, but they're still Legends.
Mamamoo were considered Legends after 6 months when they debuted in Immortal Songs 2. They competed with real Korean Legends.External Content youtu.beContent embedded from external sources will not be displayed without your consent.
Everyone like who besides yourself?
Changed the whole industry how?
So you want me to believe and keep persuading me that MMM is a legend but you're closed ears and eyes closed when other says that bp is a legend/future legend group. Keep the same energy
I wish you would listen to more music than Blackpink. Do you really think every Legendary artist was overhyped like Blackpink? This is why people keep saying, Blinks don't know anything about Music, they only care about BP, that's all.
Mamamoo are already Legends, they were acknowledged by a REAL Legend before their debut, Quincy Jones. Everyone in this industry calls them the best vocal group, they're the most credited group ever. They don't have to be overhyped to became Legends.
I will ask one last thing. Do you consider Vincent van Gogh a Legendary artist? I know he was a painted, but the point is still the same. Basically, EVERYONE hated his work till the day he died, they became Legends DECADES later!
Di you heard about Janis Joplin? She wasn't hyped either and still one of the biggest Legend in the music industry. Pink Floyd is one of the best group of all-time, and they are not overhyped, never were and still Legends. Led Zeppelin, Ramones, The Clash, The Police, Bruce Springsteen is probably one of the biggest Legend in the world, and neither of these artists were overhyped.
The problem with some Kpop fans, and some delulu music fans overall is that they think achieving the Legendary status an artist have to be in the TOP10 every time, need to have 1B streams on Spotify, and if they didn't achieve that, they're "nugus" and flops.
That's a really sad reality of the Music Industry now. Back in the days, only TALENT matter, now it's only hype.
Mamamoo is already a legend? Says who? You? Stop being delulu
When I say legends, perfect example would be snsd. They have the immense popularity plus the talents. They also have their legacy that still now being talked about. They didn't need a quincy jones to praise them for them to be a legend.
No offense to Blackpink ladies, because it's not their fault, BUT without YG they wouldn't be half as hyped. 2NE1 maybe not as trendy, especially now, but they were actual artists, rappers, singers, and dancers. That's why they're Legends. Blackpink's only title is "The biggest girl group", and I said it many times, that's not a title they should be proud of, because it's not about talent or art, it's only about hype. Now that they're free from the YG dungeon, they can prove that they can make music too. Also, their songs didn't age well either. In 10 years or less, nobody will listen to them.
It's like saying Queen is nothing compared to Blackpink because they're more hyped. When we say in this industry about someone: "That artist is a Legend" it means they contributed to the Music world big time. Blackpink didn't do any of that. They have like 5 or 6 credits overall, together, they're average singers at best, and only Lisa can dance, and neither of them are real rappers. That's why they're not Legends, or Mythical Legends.🤣
I'm sure, Blinks won't agree with me, but their songs have zero meaning, and because they didn't create any of those, it's just a manufactured song. That's why they're so popular.
Long essay for a flop answer. All legends not only do have the talents, they also need immense popularity. It's not like any nugu that is talented can be legend. Going by that logic, then MMM can never be a legend. They do have the talents but not the popularity
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