Talk That Talk was short but did not sound short!

As soon as I rewatched the MV I noticed the MV was only 2:55, and TWICE songs have usually been above 3 minutes.

Talk That Talk is shorter than other titles, but it didn't fall flat or sound empty, you know why?

I feel like the thing that is guilty for this is definitely the chorus. The chorus is shorter than usual.

For TWICE we usually have 3 kinds of choruses in title tracks (pay attention to this)

1. Full long singing chorus with 2 similar long verses of vocals (Ooh Ahh, Cheer Up, Knock Knock, Heart Shaker, What Is Love, Feel Special, Cry For Me)

2. Long singing chorus with 2 parts, the singing chorus and the catchy post hook (TT, Signal, Likey, Yes Or Yes, Fancy, I Can't Stop Me, Alcohol-Free, The Feels, Scientist (excluding first chorus))

3. Beat drop chorus and may come with a singing part after that (Dance The Night Away (consists of singing part after beat drop), More & More (only beat drop))

Talk That Talk's chorus length is like half of the "Feel Special" type of chorus, or you can say its a "Scientist" 1st chorus without "you got a crush on me". The length is also the same with a beat drop only chorus. And the first sentence (Jihyo/Nayeon/Jeongyeon) and second sentence (Sana/Dahyun/Tzuyu) isn't the same, so it does not feel like a long chorus like "Feel Special".

The first two choruses are shorter than usual TWICE titles, but the last chorus repeated the chorus twice, so the last chorus became the length of a "Feel Special" kind of chorus.

So if Talk That Talk had a post hook it would sound similar to the "I Can't Stop Me" chorus with the woo woo post hook, or maybe "Fancy" with a "Fancy Youuuu" post hook. And that would make the chorus longer and the song longer, but they decided to keep it short for the first two choruses.

But then Talk That Talk made a big impact by repeating the chorus TWICE in the ending part creating an explosion of vocals and instrumentals, making the last chorus epic and bomb, also the note change, and the song ended satisfying people without feeling empty. More & More last chorus ended abruptly leaving us wanting for more, which is why although the song was longer than Talk That Talk, had a dance break, but it felt short.

All the reasons above are why although the choruses are shorter, the song is shorter than usual not reaching 3 minutes, but we get satisfied after listening to this because it leaves an impression of feeling full after that last chorus. Talk That Talk is really amazing for me! STREAMMMMM!

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agree, when done right, the song sounds complete and will not sound rushed and short

It really sounded like it was more than 3 minutes!

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The last chorus is done so perfectly, even though they just changed one note it reminds me of the times when every other pop song would go up a key for the final chorus. You don't hear that as much now, idk why because it pretty much always makes it better

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OMG YESSSS! I love it when the last chorus has a note change or a pitch change or bigger beats! This satisfy me so much, wish groups do this more!

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I noticed that too and I agree. Straight away after the first listen I noticed that the chorus is shorter than the usual, when it went from Jihyo straight to Sana's post chorus part (when I expected the second half of the chorus sung by Nayeon). But it didn't sound empty or bad at all, it just felt different.

When I watch the MV or listen to the song it doesn't feel that short at all, everything has it's place and sounds great. Sure, we could've had longer chorus if they made the repetition as in the last one, but then it wouldn't have the effect it had at the end of the song.

The whole song is really well done and the chorus is super catchy, I'm happy that many fans and non-fans like it

I'm a bit sad about the stats but the music just DELIEVERED. Yes, it is definitely a shorter chorus than usual, and they could have made a chorus + post hook type of chorus by repeating Jihyo/Nayeon part to form a fuller chorus like "Fancy" and then Sana/Dahyun/Tzuyu part as the post hook. But anyways, the song rocked!

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It's a great fun song and it has a fresh structure IMO. Lots of catchy parts but I feel it isn't memorable. I feel maybe a longer run time would leave space for a fun phrase or hook

Yes, like I said if they repeated Jihyo/Nayeon line and put Sana in the post hook it would sound longer. Hope the song grows on you!

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Yeah it really does feel like a longer song, on top of what you said about the chorus I think the changing rhythm in the verses gives the impression of longer verses.

100%, I also loved that they switched the verses up that they sounded different.

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The song is absolutely amazing. I've said it before, but they need to start bringing collapsedone back full-time. His work with Twice is just too good.

Which songs has Collapsedone worked with TWICE? I only know Knock Knock, The Feels and Talk That Talk, but AKP people hated Knock Knock and loved The Feels hahaaaa. I also want David Amber with Heart Shaker and Yes Or Yes.

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This is such a well written essay, I'm in love! I like reading these types of posts. Also, I never even noticed the different kinds of Twice choruses! I wonder if other groups also have different types of choruses. I should look into that sometime.

Heyyyyy you have the same taste as mine, I love essays 🤣 Yes, different groups may have different types of choruses depending on their sound. Some may opt for more vocal choruses and some prefer beat drop choruses.

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The song is perfectly fine but the MV suffer a little from the amount of short cuts just like Pop!

Oh yeah that's something I noticed!

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Collapsedone wrote Candy Pop, Swing, Happy Happy, Perfect World, Better and Just Be Yourself. He also coproduced What is Love, Feel Special, and Celebrate with JYP. So he's responsible for a large portion of Twice's discography.

Also, akp has horrendous taste, Knock Knock supremacy

OMG most of them are bops! And I love Knock Knock too!

One question, I wonder why JYPE dropped BEP when they produced lots of hits for TWICE.

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The really short chorus felt really weird the 1st time I heard it. Like, I fell in love with the Tell Me What You Want/Tell Me What You Need part, so I wanted to hear it again. I felt empty when they didn't do it.

Then the final chorus came and that repeated line was SO satisfying. Like I was hungry for that part the whole song, and they finally fed me at the end. I would not have gotten that had they made the chorus longer. That's why the ending is my favorite part. It's so fun.

The song felt short for me only because I couldn't get enough of hearing it over and over again. It definitely felt complete, but since I'm hooked on it, it always ends too soon for me.

"I fell in love with the Tell Me What You Want/Tell Me What You Need part, so I wanted to hear it again." OMG SAMEEEEE that part was amazingggggg and I wished it had been repeated that why it felt a bit off, if they did the chorus would have been like "Fancy". The last chorus is also my fave!

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I can't believe the song is that short, it felt pretty normal when I listened to it and it was a very fulfilling experience. I guess that goes to show the song is good lol. Also the chorus didn't seem short to me.

The song was short but did not felt like that, yes!

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Awesome! I love essays too! That is true.

I usually prefer vocal choruses though

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I’m fine with either full or empty choruses, as long as they sound good.

Agree~

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I've got an idea that maybe it was intentional on their part? I love the chorus too and can't get enough of it, but because the song is quite short, I end up replaying it over and over

Quite a nice observation hahaa

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frfr also i love the song so much

Yessss thank youuuu

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I have no complaints

Oh yes!