This is why digitals and charts are practically worthless.

Of course, how do you think bgs are able to earn more than ggs on average?

but good digital charts would attract investors and love calls where good money comes from.. look at fifty fifty for example!

You know what part has more money is?? ROYALTIESSSSSSS!!!!! GD literally earning millions of dollars all for him self in a year by just royalties without releasing any music

It’s not irrelevant but it’s not a necessity. Also it helped so many groups like BG, BTS, Mamamoo, Gidle etc so yeah it pays off in the long run.

WM is notoriously a shit company though, could be partially due to that also. They must have had insane contracts if it takes 8 years to pay off the debt.

At least she is making tons of money now. It does make you wonder how many nugu idols never make a single cent if even a group like OMG which is far from nugu can be in this situation.

Give her the money she deserve RBW, shitty company

That’s why although I mostly use Spotify + YouTube Music, I always buy a physical copy of the music/artist I like. It’s the same for every product, consumers always wants the cheapest or free stuff.

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She said the other members actually made money before her, which i'm presuming is due to their individual activities and endorsements, while she was still in the red.

Good charting brings exposure which translates to individual activities and endorsements, but those are rarely shared equally among members. Most of the time members are overshadowed a by a few of their groupmates and don't benefit as much from their group's popularity.

The details of this article are pretty fucking wonky.

Especially since she's talking about her youtube channel and mentioning the other members of OMG made money before she did.

This is why when all is said and done no one will come even close to generating the kind of income that Blackpink will. Endorsements, Branding, Album Sales, and Touring = $$$. They could care less about charting relative to what they bank from their other revenue sources.

I don't know why it took so long for JYP to let Twice obtain IG accounts. The same can be said for a lot of other companies & their idols. At least they are touring heavily so that the bulk of their income is in concert revenue.

cfs are how you make money at least in Korea. Digital sales do nothing.

Money come from touring and cfs, specially individuals ones

Hell, lookin at the video, she states the other members were makin money 1-2 years after debut.

I'm not sure if you can use this as an evaluation of how money is made.

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ottom line, charting is fun to argue about as fans. But the REAL money is in album sales, endorsements and appearance fees, concerts, merch, and even personal YT accounts.

Not if your group write and compose the music on the charts.

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It’s not irrelevant but it’s not a necessity. Also it helped so many groups like BG, BTS, Mamamoo, Gidle etc so yeah it pays off in the long run.

charting helped bts?

they were already selling more than 99% of GGs at the time with dogshit charting

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charting helped bts?

they were already selling more than 99% of GGs at the time with dogshit charting

Hum yes. You think if they were only selling albums. They would be the biggest k-pop group of all the time.

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Hum yes. You think if they were only selling albums. They would be the biggest k-pop group of all the time.

kinda

their charting was good but never close to being the "best"

that would go two twice and bp, even at bts' height

twice dominated 2016 and were like the only idol group to get a PAK in 2017

hell, love scenario did much better than any BTS song in 2018

i'd suspect if bts didnt get invited to american award shows, their career would pan out like exo's

its during the height of bts' "national pride" parade that they really became a charting monster

now they can release prank sounds and still chart

and yes i was in the PEAK of my kpop phase at that time and even liked BTS music upto 2017 so I do have a good idea what im talking about

Imagine working 8 years and getting no income.. scary

Did she participate on the writing of some of the rap in their songs?

That would mean more money for her, but maybe she did not.

They were selling between 15K to 25K their whole career, until their hit after that they sold 90K+ Albums.

If a GG can't make money selling 20K albums per comeback, all those nugus out there are living on food stamps.

I do wonder, did they ever go to festivals or concerts? That is where groups that do not sell or chart can make money (sometimes).

Local charts in Korea have been dying for the better part of 5 years. Charting #1 on Melon isn't an achievement anymore. It's as easy to manipulate as Bugs. They've hemmoraged over 50% of its users in the last 5 years. Why do you think no one gets 1 million ULs in the first 24 hours anymore when BIGBANG and IU routinely did it? Because no one in Korea uses Melon anymore.

Labels have focused on international for years now because that's where the money is. Korea's population is about the size of the state of California and the country next door, Japan, has 5x the market size.

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Albums aren't a huge money-maker unless you sell 10 million. Labels literally make a few cents per album. They're on par with any other merch.

touring, brand deals, solo endorsements and lastly physical sales bring more profits and companies know this

having PAKS is nice and all but does it bring profits? and I'm saying this as someone who is a fan of a group that does well digitally.

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Local charts in Korea have been dying for the better part of 5 years. Charting #1 on Melon isn't an achievement anymore. It's as easy to manipulate as Bugs. They've hemmoraged over 50% of its users in the last 5 years. Why do you think no one gets 1 million ULs in the first 24 hours anymore when BIGBANG and IU routinely did it? Because no one in Korea uses Melon anymore.

Labels have focused on international for years now because that's where the money is. Korea's population is about the size of the state of California and the country next door, Japan, has 5x the market size.

In terms of money in music:

Concerts/Touring

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Endorsements/CFs/appearance fees

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T-shirts, albums, other merch

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Digital streaming

Albums aren't a huge money-maker unless you sell 10 million. Labels literally make a few cents per album. They're on par with any other merch.

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There's no world where Merch is close to the bottom of revenue source.

Merch costs nothing and makes everything in profit. It's got the lowest cost with only commercials having a higher profit margin.

The reality is that digitals are only beneficial to all the members If they translate into a hardcore fandom who will buy their merch and go to their concerts. Brand deals/endorsaments are nice and all, but It's obvious that, most of the time, they only benifit one or few members while the others are left with nothing depending on the groups' activities to get in come.

I think different things work for different idols.

Ateez, for example, never charted well in Korea but they do well with tours.

Sistar always charted well but could barely sell out a venue but they were huge hit on festivals.

All these groups became successful and had good earning, their success was different.

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WM is notoriously a shit company though, could be partially due to that also. They must have had insane contracts if it takes 8 years to pay off the debt.

At least she is making tons of money now. It does make you wonder how many nugu idols never make a single cent if even a group like OMG which is far from nugu can be in this situation.

definitly part due to the company. other also shitty companies paid earlier in similar situations.

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kinda

their charting was good but never close to being the "best"

that would go two twice and bp, even at bts' height

twice dominated 2016 and were like the only idol group to get a PAK in 2017

hell, love scenario did much better than any BTS song in 2018

i'd suspect if bts didnt get invited to american award shows, their career would pan out like exo's

its during the height of bts' "national pride" parade that they really became a charting monster

now they can release prank sounds and still chart

and yes i was in the PEAK of my kpop phase at that time and even liked BTS music upto 2017 so I do have a good idea what im talking about

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Be serious.

BTS’ first daesang was literally Album of the year from Melon which is only based on digitals and this was from the HYYH album, way before they even released Wings.

They already had hits like Fire and I need U which helped them to secure that daesang. And even before they started promoting in the west in Love Yourself era, they already had big songs like blood sweat and tears and Spring day.

Like of all the boy groups to drag about digitals, it is not BTS.

Digitals are only relevant if they lead to a fanbase.

Having a hit song leads to awareness. Awareness leads to more opportunities. More opportunities leads to more exposure, which hopefully leads to more fans.

Digitals can be manipulated. Physical sales can too to some extent. Know what can't be manipulated though? Concert sales. Venues are not going to book an act that they don't think can sell, and if you aren't able to sell, they are going to cancel the show and book someone who can. Unless the label is eating the cost, and most labels aren't charity cases despite what fans may think.

One of the biggest rappers in the West just had to cancel like 10 shows because his ticket sales were low (he was booked as a headliner for an arena tour). Digitally, he's still one of the top, but the amount of effort it takes to stream a song even 100 times is nothing compared to buying a concert ticket, and/or booking a hotel/flight to get there.

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Be serious.

BTS’ first daesang was literally Album of the year from Melon which is only based on digitals and this was from the HYYH album, way before they even released Wings.

They already had hits like Fire and I need U which helped them to secure that daesang. And even before they started promoting in the west in Love Yourself era, they already had big songs like blood sweat and tears and Spring day.

Like of all the boy groups to drag about digitals, it is not BTS.

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of course BTS had hits

but their charting wasnt the "best" of any era, atleast until they got praised by american media

BTS and EXO's daesangs were kinda similar

both had chart success sure, but werent a dominant force like they were in voting/selling physicals

hence my conclusion they'd have similar careers if BTS didnt become korea's foreign ambassadors

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kinda

their charting was good but never close to being the "best"

that would go two twice and bp, even at bts' height

twice dominated 2016 and were like the only idol group to get a PAK in 2017

hell, love scenario did much better than any BTS song in 2018

i'd suspect if bts didnt get invited to american award shows, their career would pan out like exo's

its during the height of bts' "national pride" parade that they really became a charting monster

now they can release prank sounds and still chart

and yes i was in the PEAK of my kpop phase at that time and even liked BTS music upto 2017 so I do have a good idea what im talking about

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No, you don't. The amount of bullshit you just wrote.

BTS' first digital hit was I Need You. Back in 2015. Was it on the same level as Cheer Up, no, but 95% of bgs (not big 3) still haven't even gotten their I Need You level. hit. THAT was their breakthrough moment. Without I Need You and the overall concept change of 2015, BTS might have remained in nugudom. But you being so wrong and loud is hilarious to see.

Spring Day, the song that is about to break Cherry Blossom all time record on Korean charting, was released on Feb 2017, before murrica. It's the song, till this day NO idol group is beating and that is all thanks to its digital success. Forget the other songs that did well prior to Spring Day but like Afriyieau1 said, their long list of hits AND good album sales were why they were already fine even before Sept 2017, their murrican debut. Which you know nothing about, so save the fake "I used to stan" lie.

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No, you don't. The amount of bullshit you just wrote.

BTS' first digital hit was I Need You. Back in 2015. Was it on the same level as Cheer Up, no, but 95% of bgs (not big 3) still haven't even gotten their I Need You level. hit. THAT was their breakthrough moment. Without I Need You and the overall concept change of 2015, BTS might have remained in nugudom. But you being so wrong and loud is hilarious to see.

Spring Day, the song that is about to break Cherry Blossom all time record on Korean charting, was released on Feb 2017, before murrica. It's the song, till this day NO idol group is beating and that is all thanks to its digital success. Forget the other songs that did well prior to Spring Day but like Afriyieau1 said, their long list of hits AND good album sales were why they were already fine even before Sept 2017, their murrican debut. Which you know nothing about, so save the fake "I used to stan" lie.

I find it funny how as an American you like to shade your own country like that

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I find it funny how as an American you like to shade your own country like that

I hate 'murrica, I'm trying to flee.

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No, you don't. The amount of bullshit you just wrote.

BTS' first digital hit was I Need You. Back in 2015. Was it on the same level as Cheer Up, no, but 95% of bgs (not big 3) still haven't even gotten their I Need You level. hit. THAT was their breakthrough moment. Without I Need You and the overall concept change of 2015, BTS might have remained in nugudom. But you being so wrong and loud is hilarious to see.

Spring Day, the song that is about to break Cherry Blossom all time record on Korean charting, was released on Feb 2017, before murrica. It's the song, till this day NO idol group is beating and that is all thanks to its digital success. Forget the other songs that did well prior to Spring Day but like Afriyieau1 said, their long list of hits AND good album sales were why they were already fine even before Sept 2017, their murrican debut. Which you know nothing about, so save the fake "I used to stan" lie.

i didnt use to stan

not even close

i do like a lot of their music though

can name 10 bts songs i have played many times right now without thinking

second, just staying in the chart is very possible with pure fandom power

its staying at #1 that shows real dominance

and yeah bts were charting better than many boygroups

so was exo

not really known as charting gods are they

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i didnt use to stan

not even close

i do like a lot of their music though

can name 10 bts songs i have played many times right now without thinking

second, just staying in the chart is very possible with pure fandom power

its staying at #1 that shows real dominance

and yeah bts were charting better than many boygroups

so was exo

not really known as charting gods are they

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And I'm telling you that you were loud and wrong. I lived thru 2015, and ARMY are nothing like the streaming giants they are now. BTS was coming off Boy In Love hype and Kcon 2014. When they switched their entire music style and introduced their lore that's when they took off digitally. I Need You was BTS' Rollin/Cupid/Bboom Bboom. To state otherwise means you just made it up

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Local charts in Korea have been dying for the better part of 5 years. Charting #1 on Melon isn't an achievement anymore. It's as easy to manipulate as Bugs. They've hemmoraged over 50% of its users in the last 5 years. Why do you think no one gets 1 million ULs in the first 24 hours anymore when BIGBANG and IU routinely did it? Because no one in Korea uses Melon anymore.

Melon has lost users in the last years thats true, but they are still the biggest streaming service in the country, only youtube is anywhere close to their market share. Melon still has >20% market share, bugs has 1-2% or something around there, they are not comparable at all.

And charting #1 on melon daily chart is harder than it has ever been, never have there been so few artists and songs that have reached #1 as this year. Fandoms alone cant push anyone to #1 there, not even LYW's fanbase can do it. Off hours on realtime/top 100 chart is another matter, but then thats always been the case going a decade+ back.

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And I'm telling you that you were loud and wrong. I lived thru 2015, and ARMY are nothing like the streaming giants they are now. BTS was coming off Boy In Love hype and Kcon 2014. When they switched their entire music style and introduced their lore that's when they took off digitally. I Need You was BTS' Rollin/Cupid/Bboom Bboom. To state otherwise means you just made it up

we both know you will not agree on ANYTHING that does not praise BTS so........

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There's no world where Merch is close to the bottom of revenue source.

Merch costs nothing and makes everything in profit. It's got the lowest cost with only commercials having a higher profit margin.

For real

They sell T shirts that must cost a few cents to manufacture and sell for like 40 USD.

To give perspective, Pokémon merchan is responsible for 4 times the revenue of the games. Keep in mind Pokémon is the second best selling gaming franchise of all time behind only Mario

Merchan sells so well that Pixar released 3 Cars movies even though the third one was a box office bomb. That's the power of selling merchandise.

Only idiots, think merchan is a low source of income. But we are talking about YG stans, don't expect much of them

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Melon has lost users in the last years thats true, but they are still the biggest streaming service in the country, only youtube is anywhere close to their market share. Melon still has >20% market share, bugs has 1-2% or something around there, they are not comparable at all.

And charting #1 on melon daily chart is harder than it has ever been, never have there been so few artists and songs that have reached #1 as this year. Fandoms alone cant push anyone to #1 there, not even LYW's fanbase can do it. Off hours on realtime/top 100 chart is another matter, but then thats always been the case going a decade+ back.

YG stan logic

An YG act is not on the top of that chart? Then the chart is manipulated by fandoms and irrelevant

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I think different things work for different idols.

Ateez, for example, never charted well in Korea but they do well with tours.

Sistar always charted well but could barely sell out a venue but they were huge hit on festivals.

All these groups became successful and had good earning, their success was different.

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And festivals do not pay as well as your own concert.

I wonder how much money the Sistar members members made in their career, I imagine is not a lot.

I do not even know if Sistar had many endorsements (as group or individually)

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Melon still has >20% market share

holy moly