Posts by Disevidence

  • Have you ever avoided a group because of their fandom?

    Yep. BTS due to Army (when i first stumbled across Kpop). Army really are some of the worst people in kpop I've ever come across. They are the "MAGA" of kpop so to speak. Low information, uneducated, overtly hateful and prone to cruelty. It evokes such utter revulsion I don't want to share any commonality with those people.


    Loona due to Orbits and their crazy toxicity (even towards their own group).


    Recently (last 2 years) I studiously avoid any Aespa stuff due to MYs.


    3 Groups I avoid any music, avoid any interaction with - it's possible I'd like some of their music (and have in Loona's case), but the fandom just puts me off the group entirely. Who wants to get into a group and then have chat and interactions with people who feel it's ok to doxx minors because they dared dislike a song from their group?

  • Who do you think is the most talented group out of the entire 3rd generation?

    Quote from Yama-Chan

    I'm just collecting more data and forum sentiment.


    I wasn't going to poll this but I change my mind now


    This will be PUBLIC, like your shame if you vote with your heart and not your head

    EXID.


    One of the two best ever kpop rappers, Solji and Hyelin amazing singers, no-one was more charismatic or better in 3rd gen on stage then Hani (i mean her stage literally made their career).


    Produced and composed their own music, weren't afraid to make songs about woman's/feminine issues.


    Incredibly talented and eclectic group that tower in talent against other 3rd gen groups.


    Basically the prototype of the formula (G)I-DLE later perfected.

  • Why can't these new kpop singers sing anymore?

    Quote from Popper-of-Ks

    The OP is not a fan. They even insulted her within the first few posts of the thread.

    Ok, let's assume that is the case (wild, but anyway).


    Yeri is a perfect example. She's not new? Still barely average as a vocalist. Half of twice still are not exactly singing arias in the opera. Jisoo is very "eh". What about others? EXID have some great singers but then 2 others who, very charismatic, can't sing all that strongly, AOA famously had had a couple that were there for looks only, Gfriend aren't vocal powerhouses... and I could go on and on and on.


    It's not "new". it's not any different, and 3rd gen and 2nd gen stans going "omg the new generation can't sing" and all they every point to is Wendy, Taeyeon and Mamamoo is the finest, purest hypocrisy around. There's a 2nd gen group that famously had a song where 2 of the members don't sing and one of the vocals is the guide track from a girl not in the group!


    So skip me with these dumbass takes over and over again. SM stans wouldn't know what to do with themselves if Wendy hadn't ended up in SM, because that's their ONLY, ONLY example in the last 15 goddamn years. Girl's back must be deformed from the weight of SM's stan hubris.

  • Why can't these new kpop singers sing anymore?

    Quote from Popper-of-Ks

    There are a number of worse singers in Kpop than Yeri. Do you need me to list them all?

    Of course there are, there's also a metric ton of new kpop artists who can sing better then her (which is the hypocrisy).


    So trying to lambast new kpop vocalists quality with Yeri in your name is just some absolute nonsense. Girl is the textbook definition of mid in everything.


    It's as if I painted my house beige and then go "people should really make their houses pop with colour".

  • Something Never Before Attempted: Comparing 14 Years of Boy Group Versus Girl Group Physical Sales

    Quote from wsoet

    What is the reason behind boy groups' long-held domination in physical sales? The traditional explanation is that boy groups generally have female fans, w‍ho are intrinsically more "loyal" and "dedicated", and thus more likely to buy albums. Is that all there is to it?

    Yes.


    It's of no coincidence the great strides in GG album sales (comparatively) came as they courted female fans more directly then ever before.


    It really boils down to that. Male fans can be dedicated, but it's much rarer, and male fans (generally) engage in kpop in a very different way then female fans. Female fans are the ones buying Photocards, the larger general size of Boy Groups also plays into the solo fan atmosphere which also boosts album sales etc.


    It's really all there is to it. There's no inherent quality difference of Boy Groups vs Girl Groups, it boils down to demographics for album sales.


    Just as a side note - Also works on the flipside too. GG's are designed for public consumption at a higher degree then Boy Groups, so they get the magazine covers, CFs, endorsements at a much greater clip then Boy Groups. Each have their own strength.

  • Why can't these new kpop singers sing anymore?

    Sheer Irony of an account named after Yeri.


    Couldn't have scripted a more hypocritical stance in all of Kpop.

  • Kiss Of Life - Racial Stereotyping Controversy

    What I don't understand is I'm led to believe this is pre-recorded, possibly up to a week before hand?.


    I don't get why someone didn't step in and stop it being released. Apparently they pre-apologised for it? I'm not grasping why this simply wasn't pulled wholesale.


    Baffling decisions all around. The choice of theme and what the members did is one thing, but then to go ahead and release it just is such a bizarre choice.

  • is it safe to say that Lesserafim is officially on the same tier as Stayc & Nmixx domestically ?

    Quote from StanGIDLE

    I think people use spotify because it's easy to find data to support claims.

    I understand that. But if that's your source of main data, then the conclusion is "strong in certain spotify countries" not "international" with no disclaimers or context. And, as I said, understand that with how some labels purchase arrangements with spotify, understanding there needs to be some an understanding of the level of engagement.


    For example, let's argue that say, an IVE song and an LSF songs both had 1.5m spotify streams for one day. I would EASILY conclude that the IVE song had more actual popularity then the LSF song, because we know that Hybe leans heavily on Playlisting and Discovery (seriously, a b-side in a massive playlist as soon as it's released? cmon now) and Starship does not.


    So both have same numbers, but one is above the other in people actively seeking out the song.

  • is it safe to say that Lesserafim is officially on the same tier as Stayc & Nmixx domestically ?

    Only comment I have is do people know that Spotify is only about 25% of international listeners?


    Using Spotify for a short hand for "intl metrics" is incredibly, incredibly flawed, not even getting into autoplay and playlisting which boosts streams.


    I've got no qualms if people want to talk internationally, but you need to talk about ALL international, not a very narrow set of criteria that matches your narrative. That, right now, is LSF fans who bring up Spotify (which Hybe makes a very specific effort with extra "tools" to assist) but ignore how strong some of the top groups are in non spotify countries, and/or on Youtube Music, which has a different demographic and geographical spread.


    Do LSF have some clout internationally? Certainly. But going "oh they did x on spotify" doesn't take into account massive listening countries who use other platforms, foremost being China, Spotify doesn't have anywhere near the penetration in Europe it has in USA, and as I said, if a company specifically uses, let's call them, "promotional tools" - that should be weighed in.


    You don't count Youtube Ad views on Youtube for obvious reasons when comparing metrics. So why are we not taking into account Spotify Discovery and Spotify playlisting the same way?


    That''s the only question i want answered. Why is it complete radio silence whenever that topic is broached. Everytime someone brings this up suddenly people who couldn't shut up about international listeners are suddenly mute.


    FWIW - I think LSF is still the same tier as the Aespa/IVE/Idle/NJ. I dont' support the OP's claim. But LSF fans, if you want to have this discussion, you need to get far smarter about this.

  • is it safe to say that Lesserafim is officially on the same tier as Stayc & Nmixx domestically ?

    Quote from SooYoung

    While selling almost the same album than HOT will probably sell with their last album

    Hot 1st Week Sales - 600k

    Crazy 1st Week Sale - 677k

    (2) 1st Week Sales - 1.5m

    I Sway 1st Week Sales - 1m


    Hell, Yuqi on her solo effort is very close to the sales that "HOT" currently has.


    Idle have dropped on Spotify, it's true. But unlike Nmixx, Stayc, and even LSF, they still have strong Youtube Music (ad free) streams, and also unlike those 3, they sell well in China Digitally (which doesn't have Spotify).


    I think the OP's premise is flawed but let's not just pile more misinformation upon another.

  • Can you please just attack groups directly?

    Quote from Tru-Multistan

    Hey man, you don't know me. I've seen you give this same exact spiel in other threads, so it seems maybe you're just projecting your feelings towards other kpop fans onto me.

    I don't need to know you. Using terminology like "hiding behind the company" (the company being the one they criticize) is a self-tell into how you frame this conversation. Only someone who is seeking an oppositional approach to these type of people would accuse them of hiding behind something.


    You basically told on yourself with that statement. I thought you were actually wanting a convo about the label impact on idols etc, but when you said that (and other statements on this thread) it really all fell into place, logically.

  • Can you please just attack groups directly?

    Quote from Tru-Multistan

    People will say things about LSF or Illit and then follow it up "but it's HYBEs fault no theirs". Sometimes it is legitimate criticism, but other times it's just a bunch of really nasty stuff and they hide behind the company. That's all I am saying.

    They hide behind the company?


    I think i see the thread of where this is going. You feel people are disingenuous about their criticism, and couch it in terms to make it palatable. This isn't about honesty, this is about you trying to paint these people as "bad people" because they're attacking the idols directly.


    The problem is, no-one wants to be honest. You don't want it anymore then the other "side" (so to speak) avoids honesty.


    What do you want people to say? That 1/2 of those groups really have no business being an idol? Then people respond with "how dare you crush people trying to do their dreams". Which has nothing to do with the criticism. Nowhere in any discussion of anything to do with Kpop is anyone actually, bluntly truthful, because toxic positivity is enforced in most discussions and direct conversations about idols kills are verboten.


    People going "the company is at fault" are simply playing in the sandbox made by people such as yourself, who have stripped any truth or objectivity out of any conversation, and made any place a forum for where blatant, completely ridiculous hyperbole is passed off as "appreciation and opinion" and pushing back on anything of that ilk is labeled "hating".


    So no, I have no problem with people going after the labels like that. You are just seemingly upset they've used that loophole to get around the toxic positivity of kpop.

  • Can you please just attack groups directly?

    Quote from Tru-Multistan

    Something along the lines of "their music sucks, they can't sing, production is awful, and they have no talent. Oh btw no shade to the girls, it's the companies fault lulz".

    Except that's the same very excuse fans use too.


    Music flopped? Companies fault. Promotions not make much noise? Companies fault. Singer didn't get the lines you wanted? Companies fault.


    This is a strange post, as it's like "don't blame the companies" at people who criticize when both sides engage in the exact same behaviour - in fact I think fans would welcome the ire aimed at the companies rather then the members of the group.


    If I think the music is bad, why on earth would anyone blame the group? They didn't compose or write the song.


    Very odd post. Very incoherent.