Posts by Disevidence
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I can't speak for Korea, but in my country there's been a massive increase in scooter related injuries (and two deaths) relating to scooter accidents, including 25% of those being 3rd party (ie not the person on the scooter).
To be on something like that while intoxicated is just.... an exceedingly poor lapse of judgement. A lapse of judgement that prompts questions about decision making.
Bit like Irene's scandal - it's not just the act itself, but the mindset someone has to have to even do this act is rather astonishing, it brings into question the nature of the person itself.
Then, ontop of the very questionable personal decision making, there was the elements of the cageyness and the poor attempts at mediaplay about the accident in question. That also gets people offside.
I'm not saying he should necessarily lose his career over this, but it's far more serious then people who go "oh it's just a scooter blah blah" understand or realize.
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I'm obviously talking about the nominated artists, not the whole Kpop!
Yes but you don't get to pick and choose your lane.
Again, you're trying to basically be hypocritical. You want stats to count, otherwise you've no guarantee of IU's album even being nominated, but you don't want them to count "too much" either, because that's why Aespa's Armageddon and (G)I-DLE's 2 had higher results.
Your entire premise is flawed. If that stats count for the nomination, they count for the result - hence Armageddon winning.
If they don't count, then who knows if IU would even be nominated. Certainly in an "album of the year" category across all musical artists last year.
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And when did they say all these things exactly?
Asked this exact question to about 15 different people over the last 24 hours.
No-one has come up with an answer yet. All are apparently convinced Idle announced they'd leave Cube and no-one can provide proof.
If i had to suspect, I would garner it's some Tiktok bait that did the rounds.
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Ok if you want to talk quality, then IU's album wasn't even the best solo album this year.
- Memi's album was by far better and interesting then IU (whose been kind of resting on her laurels a bit). That would be my pick for album of the year (Dec 2023 still counts).
- Darin's got an incredible Voice
- I thought Jungtune's album was far more interesting then IUs
- EJae's album was well received and critically admired
- Not my cup of tea but I heard many good things about Kim Min Hee
Here's the rub David. You don't want IU competing in an out and out "merit" battle with some of the amazing indie music coming out from Korean female soloists. What i've recommended above is the tip of the Iceberg.
You DO want streams and stats to count, but only up to a certain point, because otherwise she'll out and out lose. So you want your cake but to eat it too.
IU's Lilac was far far better then her recent one, and even it lost to another female soloist on pure merit in 2022, losing to Lang Lee.
You whinge about the stats, but you want them to count for the awards, otherwise a free for all against what IU dropped in 2024? You won't like the results.
But again, don't have to believe me, wait for KMA in early Feb to see the real results.
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Soyeon shouldn't have talked so much if she wasn't going to walk the walk.
I want someone to show me where Soyeon says "I'm definitely leaving cube".
People keep going on about how she's contradicted herself? Where?
All she's talked about is the contract being up. Which is definitely something they wanted - as that means a better payday for everything they do. They're still on their original pre debut 7 year contract. Hell yeah she'd be chomping at the bit to renegotiate and get a big % increase.
So please, tell me where Soyeon said "I am leaving Cube 100% no cap". Because you can't.
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Because she's not a physical monster, but her album charted better than any Kpop album!
Ok, but that's the issue. MAMA clearly gives great credence for physical sales. It's a holdover from days where physical sales were more indicative of popularity then "fandom" (without getting into a debate between the difference of the two), but nonetheless MAMA uses physicals for many of it's scores.
So therefore that counts against IU.
Also, Mnet literally changed their criteria. They released a statement a month ago, saying, they won't nominate albums just because it's popular or had the most sales, yet they did it! Their so-called criteria is 60% sales and 40% judge vote. You wanna tell me, they nominated IU for the best ARTIST, but that 40% judge don't think her album was good enough for a nomination?
Mnet did change the criteria, but you are misled by the paraphrasing of the tweet by the chart account versus what they actually announced.
They said more specifically "it would not be limited to album sales, but include other measures". They then changed the award criteria from 80% album sales, to 60% album sales, reducing the impact of album sales, and then making jury 40% instead of 20%.
So they followed through with what they originally announced, but you appear to have been mistaken due to how it's worded by the chart account phrasing it, and thinking something different to what they announced.
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Yup, Soyeon is the best songwriter.
Writing poetry like "I'm twerking on the runway"Fate had some of the best lyrics in 2024.
So much so it was remarked upon as one of the major factors for it's chart rise.
Also songwriter in this regard means both writing and composing, as Ryan Jhun won last year and he rarely writes lyrics.
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She didn't sell many physicals (comparatively). She also doesn't get many streams outside Korea.
Their criteria is pretty straight forward to be honest. They mark it clearly. They indicate well in advance exactly how they're going to score their awards and people are upset because... they follow through with the rules?
Like MAMA isn't my favourite award show or anything, but feels like your just getting angry about something that is exactly what they say on the tin.
If you want pure merit, again, wait for KMA next year. Then IU will have her shot (but don't be surprised if she doesn't win that either).
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MAMA is an award show that outright puts its criteria front and centre - digitals for songs, physicals for albums/combined metrics.
So the strong digital songs winning their respective categories should be no surprise, and the strong boy group with huge album sales winning those categories come as no surprise.
I'm not going to get into the indepth calculation, but it just sounds like you are mad that the biggest songs of the year won? or something?
Like you go on about how Fate didn't deserve to win due to you thinking RV "sung better". Entitled to that view but MAMA have been pretty blatant about how they use charting as a criteria, and Fate ran circles around the other nominees in Korea. Basically the only well known song in Korea on that list.
What you (and others) want is KMA - Korean Music Awards. They use just a panel of judges to judge the "best" ascribing to quality.
What I think you'll find though OP is you won't enjoy the results of the "purely merit" based awards as much as you think you will.
KMA occurs in Feb/March next year, so just be patient and wait for the pure merit based awards to occur.
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thebadguy have been left the fandom
Wow, I didn't know of this jawdropping news.
Im surprised they are popular at all, how can they get through the day knowing that thebadguy doesn't stan then anymore. Every day must be a tribulation. I"m amazed they didn't all quit to become hermits in the mountains once this momentous occasion occurred.
If you can get over your soojin akgaeness for a moment, Idle have never been good with voting. Not strong with Soojin in the group, and not strong without her. They have a slightly older fanbase and they just tend to not be as militaristic bout this stuff. It's been their way since debut. Idle getting 90k vs 1 million is just something we laugh at in the fandom. C'est la vie.
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le sserafim may not have the best vocalists but why are some yall acting like you stan kpop for the singing
Speak for yourself - and honestly telling on yourself.
I 100% like my group because of their vocals (and rap). Love their palette and diverse range, love their songs.
I remember falling for them watching them do a BTS cover actually - I immediately loved their voices. Then it turned out their songs were amazing too, so here I am.
Everytime someone goes "all kpop stans do x" they're just telling on themselves. Don't lump others in with your own parasocial view.
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I.... that can't be how they sing right? Those vocals are awful. I haven't listened to Illit before, but wow... that's....very very bad vocals.
That aside.
The plausible deniability excuses have been given already I see - "scream" means frustration etc. Which sure. But if you trying to tell me that no-one who was writing those lyrics didn't think or know about the double entendre that was in those lyrics then I've got a bridge to sell you.
That's really all there is too it. Absolutely no way that gets by without someone knowing, which means it was deliberate to proceed with those lyrics, even if it was originally written "innocently" (of that which I doubt too, but it's easier to just to point to the massive elephant in the room).
And they have a minor in the group. Pretty unconscionable. But it's Belift - when they're not outright plagairising stuff or Enhypen, I guess they just try to do stuff like this. Sounds like a *fantastic* label and culture to work under.
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Below average does not mean "terrible." Singing doesn't come to most people naturally.
I was going to make a joke earlier that we about 1 minute away to someone defending vocalists who can't sing by saying criticising vocals is "ableist" or something.
You are bordering on that territory as is. Yes, you are right that below average doesn't mean terrible. But quite frankly it doesn't mean they're very good either. And most of these "defense" has been trying to contextualize Sakura as not being an outlier - when quite frankly she is. So is Shuhua, someone from my own group. I can't defend her when people say Shuhua's a bad singer, though she's drastically improved, she's still basically someone that Soyeon has to write around to make songs work.
Sakura is the same. She just has no real business in the singing industry. It's even worse for her in some ways - I can point to Shuhua basically being very poor at singing, but she's improved leaps and bounds over the last 3 years, even despite basically still being a poor singer now. She gets given deeper atonal parts and easy raps mostly, but she's now doing them live (like at Mama with Fate, with no Backtrack).
Sakura though? It's hard to give her that benefit of the doubt. Doubly more so is because she's meant to be their star recruit (certainly was at the time), one of the pillars of LSF. When in essence she's basically just stashed in the background and there so they can sell albums to japanese fans.
Remember, this is her 3rd time Sakura is doing this. She was in the jpop industry. She came to Korea and debuted in Izone. Now I'm not going to sheet that all to her, given how the AFK48 groups sounded like they were half forced to participate in Produce 48 - but she redebuted.
And THEN, she had the option of finishing her career and chose to continue being a singer and Idol AGAIN in Korea. That 3rd time is all on her. So yeah, she gets criticised for coming back and still sucking.
You'd get much further if Sakura fans went "yeah she sucks but she's great at variety and funny as hell". That's what Shuhua fans did and Shuhua is actually pretty popular today, as a kind of unfiltered idol. Particularly on Weibo and IG (when she doesn't attend parties with Taiwanese independence advocates, but that's another story).
Sakura is BAD at singing. You kind of even admit it yourself with how you want to defend with "not natural at singing". A professional SHOULD be good at their job. Sports people cop criticism when they're bad, actors cop it when their bad, musicians cop it when they're bad, and yes, a singer should be able to sing, or stop being a singer. Go do acting or knitting or go to university or something. It's wild that expecting people to do their job well is something that's almost verboten in the kpop industry.
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she's my fav within LSFM but even I have to admit she doesn't have the best vocals
would she be considered an average vocalist in kpop? what of the say top 10 / 20 groups where would she place in them
but ranking wise - bad is subjective - maybe instead of being a bad vocalist - she's merely a below average vocalist??
So let's rank them. I'm just gonna put them in non-sorted tiers so people don't get their jimmies rustled by me ranking a very close idol above another.
Top 5 GGs (NJ/AESPA/IDLE/LSF/IVE)
Tier A- Ningning, Winter
Tier B+ - Miyeon, Liz, Yunjin, Hanni
Tier B - Yuqi, Minnie, Danielle, Karina, Yujin
Tier C+ - Soyeon, Haerin, Hyein, Chaewon, Giselle, Basically rest of IVE
Tier C - Minji, Eunchae,
Tier D - Shuhua, Sakura, Kazuha
I've probably missed someone. But Sakura is below average, well below average of the vocalists in the top 5 groups. So when people say she's below average, they're pretty much bang on the money.
If you think I'm unfair happy for correction. I'm (obviously) an Idle stan but i tried to be as far as i could with all the ranking.
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Their is an outside chance they lose Album to (G)I-DLE. Would you consider that a travesty?
Idle's album had Wife, Fate and Super Lady on it.
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Again, if they do a monster world tour where they go back again a year later to the same popular countries again as part of the "same tour" then of course they'll sell more.
My point is it's a stupid metric because the tours are of different sizes. IVE, more power to them, basically did 12 months of touring as "one world tour". Idle do shorter 4 month tours. Because each have different things going on. They had 37 shows at an average of around 11k per show. Idle had 22 stops at an average of 10.5k per show.
IVE's "one world tour" Literally started when Idle were doing their last world tour, and ended when Idle finished this year's world tour". And not just Idle. any of the world tours occuring.
I'm not caring if you rank IVE ahead in the OP discussion, it's just a stupid way to frame the tour numbers, because your comparing completely different things. And it's not just vs Idle. It's just versus any group.
Maybe the trick is to tour every year and keep calling it the same tour, and then fans can brag they had the biggest world tour. Just tour for a few months every year for 4 years and call it one world tour - "biggest ever". Instant easy mode win.
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I want to point out IVE's touring in attendance per show is not better then Gidle, just that they did far more stops on their world tour.
They basically did 1.5 of a world tour, as they went to many places back and forth again. Like did a Japan and Seoul, went outside there, then did Asia again on the same world tour.
If I combined half the stops of previous Idle's world tour to their current one I'd get near IVE's result too. Idle can't also tour a very popular country for them (China).
They've (Idle) also had 4 consecutive PAKS including the only one with 4 different comebacks, still on Melon also etc, which you listed earlier.
I don't mind if you personally want to rank IVE ahead, but making it some sort of declarative thing is far from a done deal like you try to make out.
Idle conclusively had a far better performing 2024 too then IVE. Look at the end of year - Idle are basically 2nd for the Daesangs behind Aespa, IVE aren't even in the top 10 this year on MMA.
