She says fantastic baby and bang bang bang are flagship somgs for bb, just how growl is for exo.
So she won't go around and telling people growl is corny and that they should look into some random bsides and ballads when exo flagship song is NOT corny lol
Yeah fantastoc baby and bang bangbang are definitely their most popular songs.
I hate bigbang ballads because they half sing half moan, it takes them forever to let out words out of their mouth and when they do it feels like they are... stretching it (me trying to be gentle).
Out of all their discography I think tonight and haru haru are aging the best but that's 2 songs out of 50. I definitely think pre 2010 bb had better music.
I always considered their songs like blue, if you, bae bae, lets not fall in love, monster, still life, loser and etc to be bad (to put it gently).
People have been trying to brainwash me for YEARS into thinking that these songs are good, this is so frustrating
Those are their most popular songs. You won’t catch me dead saying growl is cringe let’s ignore that and just go for these others songs where they aren’t that boyish or whatever.
I didn’t pick random b sides I picked their biggest songs.
Don't remind me in middle of this thread how exo songs are aging so gracefully
Its more to do with the styling than the makeup I guess it's hard to explain coz you aren't a guy but a lot of these BG's just come off really corny.
Big bang weren't on of them for the most part. Generally when I showed male friends big bang the reaction was positive it wasn't really positive with super junior so I'm not sure why people are saying superjunior haha
Yeah I am also not sure why they mention sj because they used to be pretty boys.
Maybe because I am not a man, but bb is really corny to me. Many groups come off as corny but for many of them that's a vibe I don't mind and is actually part of appeal.
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Serious answer. A group like big bang that doesn't cater to fangirls or try to look flowery.
I think even a group like superM could be popular among fanboys it's just that a lot of bgs look really gay and that's not me saying it in an insulting way it's just not normal for men to wear heavy makeup more than most women do irl.
And the way they smile and dance around is generally really not something that may happens in the west. Even when you look at backstreet boys and NSYNC they're x5 less feminine than BG's. I think a good Ballance of fangirl and fanboy support would be like Exo growl era
But... on stage big bang also wears more make up than most woman on daily basis. They changed more hair colors than most women in their whole life.
I can understand part where you said that the didn't look flowery and didn't try to appeal to girls. Whole YG and bb gimmick was that they were above that lol
But yeah, I don't get to talk because I don't know music
We don't know what you were talking about, it is literally whole album so any song from it can be mid to you. Were you talking about with you or 24/7? I wouldn't know and I wouldn't assume.
Now that you have clarified that you are talking about tempo, I can't say that I am suprised, but to each their own ofc! The girls that get it, get it and the girls what don't, don't!
This is actually interesting to me. YamaChwan also stans Mamamoo, a group considered "not like the other girl groups" because they don't try to appeal to the male gaze. I think people forget about this because he gets much more attention talking about other groups these days.
But here's what I'm bringing up. What is it about Mamamoo that makes them so appealing to women who wouldn't otherwise like K-pop?
They don't do fan service for the male gaze, at least not to the extent other girl groups would. If they do fan service, they keep it gender-neutral.
You could say the same about BIGBANG. They didn't go out of their way to appeal to the female gaze.
NewJeans doesn't do fan service for the male gaze either. You could make some arguments against this, but I think they generally don't cater to that kind of parasocial relationship.
But ultimately, to answer this thread's question, I think the type of fan service makes all the difference. It's not what they do, but what they don't do.
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Ngl I don't understand the appeal of most groups Yama stans, so I don't feel qualified to talk about this
I'm a guy, so maybe I can chime in. I mostly listen to female artists, but I do like some boygroup songs. Firstly, sonically, they're sounds need to appeal to men. I think this can easily be done and that there are songs that already appeal to men in terms of sound. A long time ago, a female worker tried to sell me on BTS, and the that she chose was BTS's "Mic Drop":
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The songs don't need to sound like this exactly, but they can't sound like Seventeen's "Maestro":
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I would even say P1Harmony's "Killin' It" is bordering on not too appealing:
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Secondly, I wouldn't really try to use a boygroup, or at least I wouldn't call them a boygroup. Their activities need to fall in line with what men enjoy. There's nothing wrong with them looking good or even pretty, but their attitude and charisma need to be something that guys probably want either emulate or find appealing to follow along.
Good music works too, but you need to give them a reason to stay really become fans. Like, I like some songs by Taylor Swift, but I wouldn't call myself a Taylor Swift fan. I just like a select few of her songs, but nothing else she does make me want to wait for the next release or even seems marketed towards me. I guess I would be a casual listener more so than a fan.
And the messages in their songs need to have a more universal appeal, or at least target men in some way.
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I like direct answers!
So mic drop, 7th sense and bang bang bang appeal to men?
Maesteo and killing it don't appel to men?
Okay, I am trying to find connection and I think I kinda get it, 2 of them are kinda flexing and hype while ankther one is simply cool and liked by literally everyone. We can't deny when the song bops!
But what activities fall in line of what men enjoy? Would group like 2pm be considered as such? I remember there was this survival show based on their physical stamina and their ability survive in wild, or what not, and the strongest debuted, would that fall in line with what men enjoy? Or if male idols appeared in shows like physical 100, would that appeal to men?
I don't think that's necessarily the reason why these men are so vocal about their support for BIGBANG. Taeyang and T.O.P. were considered heartthrobs and visuals during 2nd gen. You wouldn't consider them visuals now because the times have changed, but beauty standards were different back then.
I've also seen men who get jealous and hateful when they see a mid/average or below-average man with a conventionally attractive woman. It's weird.
No, YG idols were never considered as good visuals even members you mentioned lol
It was always SM and JYP members who were considered as good looking. At most bb members were cool.
this is all ofc subjective but this was general perception.
I think that's a valid way of looking at it. It's your opinion about the signature sound of these groups. You prefer artists who develop their sound to match modernity. That's fair.
To me, though, music doesn't have to be timeless for me to appreciate it. I'd get nostalgic and revisit an era, appreciating it with the context of its time period. I look at it through that lens without feeling the need to determine how it compares to today's context.
It just is what it is. I have appreciation for music that was trendy only during its time, music that's more timeless, and music that's trendy today. I don't look at it with a scarcity mindset.
But I'll say this. As dated as their club bangers sound today, BIGBANG and 2NE1's ballads are more timeless. You'd still hear people covering those songs at karaoke and K-pop idols doing vocal covers of them.
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It is not about being modern, it is about growth. Do I like bops from 2010? Absolutely, but do I want to hear and see something new after a decade? Absolutely.
Although I think 2ne1 songs aged better than bb song. I love you still sounds good.
I mean, it's clear that you're trying to get men to give answers that reek of toxic masculinity.
I get it. I think it's unfortunate that a lot of men are wired to feel insecure about interests that don't subscribe to the social construct of conventional masculinity.
I am trying to get men to give answers and to explain themselves. (And kinda hoping that people will see how sill they are)
It is really unfortunate that men don't let themselves enjoy nice things just because lol