Posts by BlackpinkHouse

Quote from Seoged

I was shocked when I found out that Mina is a main dancer. For me Jihyo, Nayeon and Sana are technically better than her. I wonder why JYPE didn't give any official position to Sana since she sings the chorus in several songs.

They definitely give off more persona onstage but when it comes to actual technical ability (like just doing a simple body roll or moving hips), Mina is noticeably better than Nayeon and Sana at least.

She's pretty much the only one getting the hips right in hula here.

The overall low follower counts (all are way under 1 million) is indicative of Stayc's failure to advance beyond Korea. I'm kinda shocked tbh.

Even the least popular Izone IG account is at 1.7M, and this is for Nako who has been basically isolated in Japan with zero activities elsewhere. Stayc even toured internationally and had a couple well received songs that fit Western stripped down sounds (ASAP and Stereotype) and Sieun is incredibly proficient with English, she is prob the best non native English speaker in Kpop.

Yuna prob wears hip pads occasionally but also has wide hips naturally. That's my theory.

There are no hip pads here.

Would be interesting to see this for 2018 (beginning of 4th gen) and 2020-2022 ish. Idle is the only group from 2018 that i know is still active. There may be a couple others that still havent officially disbanded but are clearly defacto disbanded like Fromis9. And a few super nugus that are still hanging around.

Which is pretty insane to think about. Basically it's 2025 now and we only have THREE active GGs from before 2020 - Idle, Itzy and Twice. All the other 3rd gen are gone - BP is defacto disbanded as is RV, OMG, MMM. All the early 4th gen groups like Loona, Izone, Everglow, Fromis, Cherry Bullet, Rocket Punch, etc are gone.

LSRFM

Illit

Katseye

Twice

Ive

Heart

Kiikii

Aespa

Meow

Izna

Baemon

Itzy

NMIXX

StayC

Kepler

Idle

KIOF

TripleS

This is pretty much the top 18 active groups right now and the only ones that could be profitable. Is there any need for any more than these 18?

I also didnt count BP, OMG, MMM or RV, i think these are just groups in name only now, they wont be having more than 5 fully promoted comebacks combined in the next five years tbh. New Jeans also in hiatus for the foreseeable future.

So many great posts in this thread. The music industry is predatory as StanGIDLE said, and that's in every country. Kids around the world grow up wide eyed, naive, hungering for that big break and to become a global icon like the artists they worship, whether it's Madonna, Britney, Michael, Taylor, Bigbang, Twice, Blackpink, or BTS.

They and their family willing to do anything, sign anything, for those lottery pick odds to become that next superstar.

Kpop slave contracts or 365 deals in the US, however you set it up, they all designed to make labels the most money with as little risk as possible. And i havent even touched on the even darker, more disgusting shit that happens behind closed doors. When you combine rich, influential older power players, usually men, with young desperate artists struggling for that big break....

The fairest way is to prohibit all forms of contracts that require the artist to pay back any money invested in them. If the labels believe in a trainee, let them put up or shut up using their own funds. If the artist hits big, the label will get a huge chunk of the revenue for the risk they took. If the artist flops, then the label has to eat the costs. This will prob result in a LOT LESS idols debuting but this isnt necessarily a bad thing. We know the kinds of abuse that can be inflicted even on idols from bigger "safer" more established companies, imagine what the poor kids are going through in the dozenz of B and C and D tier groups.

I'm ok with just having about 20 girl groups active at any one time. TBH i think only 10-20 are profitable enough to warrant continued activities. If even semi-known girl groups like Weeekly and Everglow cant make it, what are the chances for the dozens of others that have only a fraction of their popularity?

Quote from StanGIDLE

Red Velvet at least got to keep their popular members. Oh My Girl not so much. Unsure if they can continue without Arin and YooA but those are the 2 most popular members by a wide margin. I will still check out their content because I like the group but I'm unsure if they can continue without the 2

I almost never watch any content from OMG that doesnt have Yooa in it, unfortunately the other members have never interested me at all. Yooa is the best dancer of 3rd gen tbh (everyone mentions the Big 3 of Seulgi, Momo and Lisa but Yooa clears them), i only wish i had discovered them sooner.

Just like Izone who i discovered literally a few months before they disbanded, i discovered OMG last year and bought their badges a few months ago and now they're defacto disbanded too. I'm the Kiss of Death for GGs tbh.

I am pretty excited for it ngl. Jin's first single was the best Kpop male solo song of the past several years tbh.

And obviously i want the collab track for Yena to go viral and be the top B side.

But boy oh boy the bits from tracks 1, 2, and 6 are really giving me hope.

Track 1 sounds like a moody 80s mid tempo/ballady banger. For some reason it reminded me of the teasers for Twice's Cant Stop Me

Track 2 give me Coldplay vibes, which is a major plus.

Track 6 though sounds like a literal old school 80s power ballad, the best subgenre of pop music ever created. Those guitars are making me emo af.

Quote from David33

Yeah, that's true. I remember when Red Velvet and MAMAMOO appeared on "Immortal Songs 2" and someone asked, MMM, how many performances they do. They said on a busy day it's 4, and RV girlies were shocked because it's too much.😂 And that was in 2015. But Moomoos were really had enough in 2018, because RBW shared their schedules with literally zero break. In 10 years they had more than 800 concerts all-around the world, including solo as well. I honestly don't know how they do that. Solar working non-stop, musicals, music, YT channel every week, concerts, variety shows, panelist or judge/mentor on survival shows, and now her horror movie coming soon this year.

But, yeah for BIG4 groups shouldn't do this, but let's be real, agencies spending billions to make their groups popular everywhere, and they have a lot of investors too. I mean, just look at YG, how much money they lost since GD and BP left. Now, it's all on Babymon to bring in the money YG lost.

Tours bring the most money in, that's why agencies doing World Tours, but it's also the most expensive for them too. They don't have much time to make their Idols popular enough, but they have to act fast, because in 3 years most people will move on if they won't do any tours. It's a vicious cycle.

Why in the name of holy hell is this user making so much sense all of a sudden?

It's still Wonyoung. But like i predicted years ago, Karina is her most dangerous rival. Karina is a complete package with her vocal tone, obvious visuals, and a 5 star personality, she is literally the only idol i would prob accept in a future Izone reunion project as a special guest star.

Just look at her, not only is she glowing visually but singing this epic "Weird Al Yankovic" typa song with her honey vocals and her trademark humor shining through...

Both Aespa and Ive would be seriously damaged if WY and Karina were lost...Aespa in particular cause they dont have anyone remotely close to Karina while Ive has Yujin who is popular in her own right and would help mitigate the damage.

Jennie is old news, older ahjummas and ahjussis glom onto her the way they do to GD but the trendier younger population are all about Wonyoung and Karina.

Quote from chilean-stan1

Jennie already outdid and outleagued.

Outleagued lol. That's a new one.

7 or 8. Solid bop.

5.8 million views in 10 days holy fuck. This is the poor girl from Busters that was hit by that fucking boomer asshole on live TV right?

Pixie cut looks fine on her, she has a petite face which is perfect for this cut. But boy oh boy i can only imagine what is gonna happen on TW cause i know i've seen some pics of other famous idols with very "aggressive" fandoms wearing this look recently.

My only issue is with how skinny she looks omg her legs. I've been noticing this so much over the past few years. So many of the GG idols i stan or just follow are going crazy with the weight loss. Honestly i know i'm an older uncle fan and it's politically incorrect for me to comment on this but i dont care. I cant imagine how difficult it is to maintain this kind of weight and still do the insane schedules that idols have to follow during comebacks.

Pop Rock Idle style. I like it. Plus Miyeon swearing in English

So they've become a local group again? I saw on TW that they're getting embarassing ticket sales numbers outside of Korea.

Quote from StanGIDLE

I'm a huge fan of them.

With the current trend in kpop it most likely means this is it for them. Their company isn't in the best situation and I assume it will be hard to schedule around all of the members. I didn't know YooA was going to attempt acting and I viewed her more as an artist. It was best for her to leave because WM can't fully support her solo career. I didn't like how they handled her promotions and they missed an opportunity to build her as a soloist. Arin leaving was a given because she's getting some major roles and she most likely leaves for a better company to handle her acting career.

I am honestly shocked that Mimi stayed and didn't leave for a company to handle her varieties. I guess it makes sense to stay because there's no point leaving if things are going well.

Unsure where people will rank them among 3rd gen groups but they're easily a top 5 group for me.Their discography has a lot of variety and I think they adjusted well with the landscape changing. Hope for the best for all members

Side note: It seems interesting that Jiho is posting on IG again. Nice to see she's doing better

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Jiho has literally disappeared from the public since she left to become an "actress".

As for OMG's rank, they are right there with BP and Twice in terms of quality and depth of discography. I would consider them the Big 3 of Kpop in pure song quality. OMG has probably no less than 10 songs that i would consider a 9 or 10. Their choreo is cute and fun as hell too, very underrated.

In terms of overall popularity among 3rd gen groups, they are probably 4th or 5th behind Twice, BP and RV. The 4th spot is either them or Mamamoo.

Quote from Popper-of-Ks

I don't know why or from where YooA suddenly got the acting bug, but I suspect it's a bit too late for her to make that transition. We'll see I guess. I selfishly don't really want it to work out, as I have zero interest in Kdramas, and she's probably the last hope for anyone from this group actually staying active in music, at least outside of OST type stuff.

I think their decline ovelapped somewhat with Jiho's departure, but I don't think they were directly related. Whether it was due to WM losing interest in them or the members themselves shuffling their priorities, the fact that they were starting to do only one comeback a year even with Jiho, instead of striking while the iron was hot and capitalizing on their sudden popularity, is what triggered their decline. And you know it's bad when they don't even perform their most recent songs once the initial promotions end.

I know they're still popular on the festival scene, which is probably the only hope for seeing them together outside of the very infrequent release, but I'm afraid that won't remain the case if there's no guarantee that those two will even be there. Assuming the other members even want to keep performing somewhat regularly, they'll probably lose bookings over it.

I agree completely about Yooa. She's been shooting up my bias chart even as i've complained bitterly and selfishly about the way she's changed her visuals over the years like her noticeable weight loss.

But now i understand it more. If she truly was planning to make a career change, i could see her trying to fit the actress aesthetic (i saw that happen to some of my Izone girls) which i can't stand tbh.

I still love her stage presence, dance, and the few varieties she's been on. But turning into an actress means she'll be disappearing from public view even more than OMG has already. I've been going through it with Minju and it's no fun.

Quote from Bottles

I was also a big fan back in the day, especially 2016 when you had Step by Step, Liar Liar and Windy Day, what a set of songs.

They had a good run!

Seriously underrated songs, some of the best cutesy songs ever made. I thought Twice were the Queens of Cutesy but OMG (and Izone B sides) make it a 3 way race tbh.

Remember Me, A-Ing, Secret Garden, Closer, Cupid are some other megabops.

Entertaining thread per usual with OP.

IU is highly overrated as a singer (my Izone girls clear her in terms of song quality, stage performance, even vocal tone from the likes of Joyuri, etc). But she is an Emmy caliber actress easily, i've only seen literal 1 minute clips of the Tangerine series on TW and i'm practically bawling in front of my monitor .

What i want to know from OP is how my Izone actress line are doing...

- Hyewon going viral with Hyeri's Friendly Rivalry but i'm scared for her, she left 8D Entertainment and is now with another rando agency called Peace Entertainment who apparently only represents rookie actors.

- Minju has been receiving massive praise for her role in a legit big screen internationally distributed movie Hear Me: Our Summer plus her supporting appearance in Undercover High School. She is at least with a legit agency in SOOP.

- Yuri is about to go thermonuclear with Season 3 of Squid Games. I think she'll play a much bigger role this season than last and we'll finally see her break out. I still think she will be the second coming of IU.