Why kpop stans are more Okay to criticize dance skills than vocal ?

kpop fans are aware that idols are bad singers and are insecure about it

unlike dancing where idols can stand out a lot for not being good since many idols are really good dancers

Because bad vocals are easy to hide with autotune or lip syncing. Nowadays kpop groups either lip sync or have a very loud backtrack that you won't even notice if someone doesn't sing right.

But you can't really hide bad dancing.

4th gen is all about performances, not the music. That's why the standards for dancing skills are very high, but when it comes to singing and rapping, the bars are very low.

When it's too obvious for vocals, they do drag them left and right. Not always you can tell if an idol is a bad vocalist unless you get to see them perform live or are a fan, you can spot a bad dancer or lacking skills easier.

oh please stop that with the victim mentality.

your example is so ridiculous, MOMO and the entire group got dragged through the sewage for that vocal incident, and giselle barely get a tip of that hate. Not that I agree either girls deserve anything coming their way but don't pretend like Giselle got it worse than Momo because she didn't. don't be disrespectful.

since you so brave to use momo as an example, at least Momo is a very strong dancer. All Kpop idols must at least know how to dance, but there are plenty of bad dancer idol out there. Giselle isn't a bad dancer, she make choreography "mistakes". I'm sure the girl has her reason, but making mistake over and over again is way worse than being a "bad" dancer.

So no, it's not acceptable to be a bad vocal than bad dancer. It's not acceptable to constantly making obvious mistakes on stage. being bad and being wrong are totally different.

because is easier to hide singing behind small parts or easy parts and lip sync while you can't hide bad dancing, especially no in a 4 members group with no back dancers

Lol what is this revisionist history 💀 twice got dragged to hell and heaven for their vocal skills, the vitriol hate they receive can wipe the floor what you call the hate giselle seemingly gets. Heck even jennie was dragged way worse for her “lazy dancing” than what giselle’s got so far. All these behaviours are deplorable but let’s not rewrite history and act like giselle is the biggest victim here

I don't think it's dance vs vocals. Momo went through hell for her bad vocals. Most onces accept she is a weak vocalist. However, she is one of the top dancer. Giselle is a terrible dancer and not great at anything else. She doesn't have anything else to fall back on.

If Giselle was one of the top vocalist like Momo is at dancing, then a lot more people would be accepting of Giselle's terrible dancing.

Giselle dancing seems fine. Whoever is the idol I think some criticism can turn into hate when too many people are going after it.

i mean vocals are vocals, momo/twice got insane hate for the encore stage, but its more of just lack of ability.

lia got hate when she was rough with special stages for her dancing, as they went hard af

and tbh, for a non special stage, fresh comeback choreo, she shouldnt be fucking up as bad as she is

Kpop fans care more about dancing than singing you can see the idols who make it in survival shows are known for dancing or have a story. But using momo for comparing is wrong. She gets lot of negative comments for her vocals. There are lot of idols with little singing skills who dont get any much hate like momo. It depends on how much hate a group gets like aespa is already hated so the hate against giselle is bigger. Like twice in 2020 was targeted.

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but what i want to know is why kpop stans seems to have more energy to drag weak dancer than they seem to have to drag bad vocalist even if at the end they are same ??

cause all the most popular group are bad singers so everyone is judging on something else

It's kpop people are not here for music they need oppa/unnie

i think i saw many critics about vocal wise before..

A lot of idol got dragged because of their vocal performances

I think it's one of the thing that setting aside "idols" with other performers?

and maybe it also comes to what people called "stage presence"?

Because groups these days don't sing much or are expectedly shit singers anyway lol

imma just reply to your title because

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I think people are just as disconnected in knowing the reality of dancing and singing when criticizing them but they also have a better intuitive sense of motion ( we move every day, but we don't sing every day) so they might be more apt to be confident in their criticisms when in reality they haven't authority in either.

You probably feel Giselle got criticised worse than Momo because you are following Giselle and more invested in her. Those who follows Momo would feel the opposite. It’s a matter of perspective. I feel both are being used as fodder for antis to downplay and bash the artists. Antis love to latch on one thing and milk it dry. It’s the Kpop way of life.

Sorry, but your premise is false. Momo hate was bigger and she only got the support of her fandom. You should use another example to support your theory, because this one say other thing.

because dance can be improved on bye

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You probably feel Giselle got criticised worse than Momo because you are following Giselle and more invested in her. Those who follows Momo would feel the opposite. It’s a matter of perspective. I feel both are being used as fodder for antis to downplay and bash the artists. Antis love to latch on one thing and milk it dry. It’s the Kpop way of life.

I personally would pick this as the best answer

an SM stan saying that

wild

edit: about giselle tho, I don't think she gets more hate for her dance (I wasn't even aware) than the entire group get for their lack of stage presence... at least stage presence is something you can get better at even if you suck at dancing

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imma just reply to your title because

tl;dr

but so

so

I think people are just as disconnected in knowing the reality of dancing and singing when criticizing them but they also have a better intuitive sense of motion ( we move every day, but we don't sing every day) so they might be more apt to be confident in their criticisms when in reality they haven't authority in either.

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Also, I don't meant this as a drag I promise, but there is no vocal to critique if there isn't any live singing

In fact, Giselle has been praise for her coachella performance because they performed live.

If you sing live I think people are more ok with you making mistakes during your dance. Like you can afford to "skip steps" to engage the audience. It's all impromptu.

But if it's a lipsync performance, people expect perfection.

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Also, I don't meant this as a drag I promise, but there is no vocal to critique if there isn't any live singing

In fact, Giselle has been praise for her coachella performance because they performed live.

If you sing live I think people are more ok with you making mistakes during your dance. Like you can afford to "skip steps" to engage the audience. It's all impromptu.

But if it's a lipsync performance, people expect perfection.

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aren't you one of the people that regularly drags twice for their vocals?????? but sure, let's completely revise history lol

I disagree with this thread, and the reason is very straightforward

- People critize dance because this is what is left to criticize, as groups no longer sing live, even the ones who sing decently (NCT for instance)

Twice was so constantly and blatantly criticized by their vocals that I feel it left a lasting impact on kpop, as if companies were afraid to let their idols sing and be dragged because of it

I also feel dancing is a skill that you can practice until you get acceptable. Vocals are also a skill, but seems to be much harder to produce an okay vocalist than a okay dancer, specially because vocals are very dependent on natural tone, Momo can't change her voice no matter how much she practices singing, what can be done it training enough to be stable while dancing (like Itzy), but they will never be a stronghold in vocals no matter how much they practice

Bad and out of sync dancing, specially in smaller groups, is almost impossible to hide. With vocals you can use loud backtrack and stand will pretend is 100% live, so here you have the perfect situation where bad vocals get free pass while bad dancing get tons of lashing out comments

Just my opinion, I think dancing is become an obligation for an idol nowadays, I never knew singer have to dance perfectly. I guess that what most people expect when it comes to KPOP. I'm grateful if there are idols that doesn't give a lot of damn about it and think dancing is just a choice for their performance, because if dancing is more important than vocal then why not just become a dancer instead of idol if you ended up lipsync from the start till the end of your career.

TWICE got immense hate for their bad vocals and they were getting dragged 24/7 in the past, they were one of the most hated ggs..