Do you consider Gidle and Loona 4th gen?

no.

I consider them both 4th gen easily.

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Yes I 100% do

Idk why these two always get the questions flying at them but groups like skz and even the boys don’t

Exactly! You said it excellently.

as a loona fan myself, no

4th gen started with ITZY to me

Idle and LOONA debuted very much when 3rd gen groups were just peaking so they cant be 4th gen to me

esp considering i absolutely count predebut loona as part of hte project and that shit started back in 2016

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Idk

don't talk to me about bgs unless it's SHINee

Does this count?

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as a loona fan myself, no

4th gen started with ITZY to me

Idle and LOONA debuted very much when 3rd gen groups were just peaking so they cant be 4th gen to me

esp considering i absolutely count predebut loona as part of hte project and that shit started back in 2016

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2019 is 4th gen to me

but come one loona was having pre release loona content since 2016 hard for me to look at them as 4th gen i can give gidle a pass but not them

They debuted at the very beginning of the 4th gen and also right when the 3rd gen ended.

Hmmm I learn that the Gen stuff never can be answer right......All group after SNSD are 3rd gen for me

Gidle, yes

Loona, idk

You can count them as 4th gen.

but if you wanna count loona as 3rd that is also fine consider their long pre debut.

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To me they are like AOA

Timeline is fuzzy

Agreed. Although I have an easier time saying (G)i-dle is 4th gen than AOA being 3rd gen. Like I refuse to acknowledge them as a 3rd gen group it just sounds and feels so wrong. At least with (G)idle most of their competition has been against 4th gen groups. But AOA was competing against Apink, Sistar, Girl's Day, all 2nd gen groups.

yes and i don't see why is still a discussion 4 years later, the industry counts them as 4th gen which mean they are, i can see why people question Loona looking how they started to promote the group back in 2016 but Gidle make no sense, nobody question Stray kids which debuted before Gidle (and had a survival show in 2017 and a pre-release in jan 2018)

It doesn't matter when you want 4th gen to start, the industry chose it, if i'm gonna count how i want, 2020 should be 4th gen start because covid changed everything about promotions, which also make sense for a generation change, there is no difference between 2018 and 2019 for a generation change.

They are labeled as 4th generation and because I am not an expert on this argument then I will consider them like that lol

Yeah they’re both 4th gen

For me no, they are like in the middle

G-Idle yes.

Loona is difficult, they had a lot of solo and subunits releases since 2016 before their "debut", it would be like saying NCT is 4th gen because their debut as a full group was on 2018 lol, they are late 3rd gen for me, or "3.5 gen" whatever you wanna call it.

Loona definitely not, but G-idle it depends. I'm not against ppl considering them 4th gen, but I feel like as more time passes people will begin to group them into third gen where they fit better.

I guess so since the Korean media does

Gidle is 4th gen.

I mean, how can u group then as 3rd gen with Twice, BP and Red velvet. It doesnt make sense.

I mean, their contemporaries are basically 4th gen groups.

They've done the most collab stages with Itzy. On Queendom they were the rookies and "maknae", commented on as the "new generation" against groups like MMM and Oh My Girl which are 3rd gen.

Other times Korean Media has said they are 4th gen. To me their basically the female version (or SKZ the male version, whatever floats your boat), if you like, of SKZ. Debut around the same time, self-producing in all aspects, and basically just given free reign for creativity. So if SKZ are 4th gen, so is Idle. If SKZ are 3rd gen, so is Idle.

And since no-one wants to spent the next 10 years fighting with stays, SKZ is 4th Gen, therefore so is Idle.

Yes.

in my opinion groups from 2018 to 2020 are 3.5 gen which is covid generation because they debut in covid era or they were young group who cannot tour in 2020 and 21 like gidle and skz. 4th gen start from 2021.

Loona that’s another point. But I always see people questioning Itzy and Gidle they have been considered 4th gen since their debut. Itzy and TXT were calling 4th gen leaders.

Like you don’t see people questioning BTS and exo when they could be basically be a 2nd gen group.

To me, they're the poster child of the 3rd/4th gen cusp

no not at all especially loona they have been releasing music since 2016 with subunits and stuff

i feel like itzy was like the main gg that kickstarted the 4th gen gg wave

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Gidle is 4th gen.

I mean, how can u group then as 3rd gen with Twice, BP and Red velvet. It doesnt make sense.

it does though miyeon and minnie are 97 liners and miyeon was in bp's lineup they are closer to 3rd generation than 4th gen more like 3.5

No. I would say we can't hardly say a 4th generation really have begun, at least anything debuting before 2021 is 3rd generation or let say Aespa at the end of 2020 is among the first "4th generation". Why do I believe this? Let say the 2nd genaration for girlgroups started with Wonder Girls and Girl's Generation in 2007, I think a lot of can agree with that. Let also say that the 3rd generation started around the debut with Red Velvet (2014), Twice (2015) and Blackpink (2016). Let's say around 2014-2015. That is about 7 years from between the start of 2gen to start of 3rd gen. Add seven years you have around 2021. Seven years are also the longest legal contract time a company can sign with a group I think. When did Loona debut, 2016? Make no sence at all to call them a 4th generation group when the debut the same year as Blackpink. Gidle? 2018, getting close but still no. And it's not only about the years is about making impact and taking over from the older "generation". As long as you have Twice and Blackpink still being at the top it's hard to say we have a change in generations.

But I think the talk about "generations" have more or less have lost it's meaning now. It hade some kind of meaning when talking about first generation girl groups and second generation. But after that the border have been become weaker and weaker.

Yes.

Yes, or maybe more 3.5 gen if we want to be like that.

either way their style looks more like early 4th, late 3rd. I've never bothered to do gens in detail because there is no standard, just what's widely accepted.

I thought it was widely considered to be ITZY debut onwards