I never understand how some groups just lose all their charting power in Korea literally in span of 1 comeback or so
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I mean they’re not coming back every week lol. Comebacks are once or twice a year.
A year is a very long time to lose interest in something even some months is more than enough calling it “one comeback” won’t change that.
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Because this is Korea not the west. Kpop isn't some ooo exotic and new phenomenon. No it's just regular pop music to us, to you guys it's new fancy OMG best etc. To us it's just the norm. There's thousands of musicians idols , soloist etc that garner our attention, so it makes sense that groups are forgotten about rather quickly. Even our most successful groups like BTS yeah we think they are good for going so far but at the end of the day to us they are just regular music like all the other groups.
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those two and also Twice
like how???
I was already wondering what groups you had in mind, but it's those you were talking about.
Maybe it's simply the song?
K-pop fans are maybe overestimating the impact group popularity has on charting; while I think popularity of a group has some influence, I think that the catchiness of a song and how promoted and wellknown it is to the general public has a far bigger impact on how it charts.
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Still a mystery. It's like in a snap of finger, the whole korea unanimously decided they will not support twice anymore anymore
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Usually it's a scandal of somekind that does a group in overnight (unless you're Big Bang with connections) but sometimes a couple back to back disliked songs can have the same floppage
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I was already wondering what groups you had in mind, but it's those you were talking about.
Maybe it's simply the song?
K-pop fans are maybe overestimating the impact group popularity has on charting; while I think popularity of a group has some influence, I think that the catchiness of a song and how promoted and wellknown it is to the general public has a far bigger impact on how it charts.
In my opinion Block B's quality didn't decrease. Their first comeback that flopped, Shall We Dance (a bop), earlier that year their unpromoted song, Yesterday, peaked at #1 on Gaon, their first #1 ever.
And what's crazy is they had a pretty long hiatus and still did really well on the charts when they returned, it was right after Yesterday they just stopped charting.
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Charting dynamics. The average Korean only listen top 100, meaning if you not chart well you basically don't exist
Teenagers and young adults are the ones who follow kpop closely and only ones who will actively search for music
Having a population with more adults over 40 than teens makes things REALLY ugly for idols, who needs connection with younger audience as part of their core listeners
When a group is older the chances of them having a song flopping at release and then climbing with time is non-existent, because teenagers will look for younger idols
Bear in mind the average Korean see kpop idols as disposable pop singers. Kpop stans claiming their faves are loved by public are delusional. People have no true respect for them and the are almost always seen as a fad.
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yeah, after HIP, I thought Mamamoo had really made it, but then ???
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most of the time it's the music. mamamoo have not had a good song in a long time. it reminds me of oh my girl, with nonstop and dolphin, and then dun dun dance, and then real love just flopped.
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most of the time it's the music. mamamoo have not had a good song in a long time. it reminds me of oh my girl, with nonstop and dolphin, and then dun dun dance, and then real love just flopped.
Ah yes, they were on a roll.
I love those songs, especially nonstop and ddd and was hyped for their next comeback. Then I listened to real love twice and the hype vanished for me.
So, yeah, I behaved that way too
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🌷I KNOW RIGHT, I also wonder how, especially since the new releases were not that bad this comeback. Usually it’s either because the group is producing somewhere else, or the music they are releasing is not enough. I feel like twice still promotes in Korea, especially for a 3rd gen group who is really popular. It happened so suddenly, however I will always support twice.🌷
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I could be wrong, but I think sometimes song really DO matter
Like for Mamamoo, I think people just didn't vibe with Aya and that killed their momentum. And maybe after that the group decide to focus more on solo stuff so that really halted the group's progress even though they are still doing well in general.
And for StayC, for some reason people didn't vibe with Beautiful Monster and then that kinda put a dent. But then Teddy Bear happen and they are back again
Plus, new groups that catches your attention generally just distracts you away from older groups if we are talking about GP recognition
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Usually it's a scandal of somekind that does a group in overnight (unless you're Big Bang with connections) but sometimes a couple back to back disliked songs can have the same floppage
It wasn't connections for BigBang. The reason they stayed is because their music and a decent amount of their image/concept was something that everyone felt they could be part of, and their music was targeted towards everyone. This is a total disconnect from your average idol group or boy groups. These people lose popularity because they essentially alienate the GP and anyone else as they focus on and cater specifically to their fandom or target audience. Kinda hard for the average person to say be interested in xyz group when their image messaging music and members actions exclusively target teens or young women or women that are still in school. Once the fandom begins to shrink etc then that group becomes irrelevant, because they had artificial popularity= propped up by fans through streaming etc. Where as BigBang the average person likes something about them if not the music it's something about the members personality or image they put out and thus they maintain long term support even if the fandom shrinks. It's like Micheal Jackson, not everyone was a fan of him personally but soooo many people liked his music or other acts and thus would keep the popularity up as the average gp would still play something by him occasionally
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It wasn't connections for BigBang. The reason they stayed is because their music and a decent amount of their image/concept was something that everyone felt they could be part of, and their music was targeted towards everyone. This is a total disconnect from your average idol group or boy groups. These people lose popularity because they essentially alienate the GP and anyone else as they focus on and cater specifically to their fandom or target audience. Kinda hard for the average person to say be interested in xyz group when their image messaging music and members actions exclusively target teens or young women or women that are still in school. Once the fandom begins to shrink etc then that group becomes irrelevant, because they had artificial popularity= propped up by fans through streaming etc. Where as BigBang the average person likes something about them if not the music it's something about the members personality or image they put out and thus they maintain long term support even if the fandom shrinks. It's like Micheal Jackson, not everyone was a fan of him personally but soooo many people liked his music or other acts and thus would keep the popularity up as the average gp would still play something by him occasionally
I meant connections as in ways they kept out of receiving repercussions. A lot of idols would be and have been outright cancelled or bars for the things they’ve been suspected of but BB continued on for years.
We all know what seungri did for years and nobody ever investigated him. He alone should’ve been a big wake up call. Police even looked the other way while his club was raping and filming women. Hell even after everything was revealed all he got was a slap on a the wrist and almost got away with it all by doing military service to avoid actual court trail. Big Bang members pretty much knew what his personality was like and possibly knew what he was really up. There was even one time he flipped his car on a road and when being taken to hospital in the ambulance he got out mid journey and had his manager drive him elsewhere, it was always suspected he was DUI but got it covered it up.
Daesung had that sketchy issue where he bought a building that was known prior to have gangs and general crime operating from it.
YG is basically a crime boss who has been wrapped up in fraud and shit, fronted seungri all along and has some very icky personal history (grooming his wife as a child, seeing underage Han Seo Hee at an adult bar). His label has numerous drug issues from idols to staff. There was also an occasion where YG staff were seen by eye witnesses clearing boxes out of offices, hours later police raided them. It’s apparent they got a tip off about the raid and took advatange to get rid of the skeletons in their closet.
Less direct but Top did weed but after his suicide attempt people have mellowed out on and he got probation. GD was always suspected of taking drugs especially after he was investigated for taking weed at a party years and years ago but nothing ever proven.
Taeyang…..is the only scandal free one lol.
So yeah BB have had multiple run ins where their connections helped them stay out of major trouble. Public may like their music and image but I think if their actions came out in daylight the public would have a very different outlook on them though the years.
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