I never understand how some groups just lose all their charting power in Korea literally in span of 1 comeback or so
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I mean they’re not coming back every week lol. Comebacks are once or twice a year.
A year is a very long time to lose interest in something even some months is more than enough calling it “one comeback” won’t change that.
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Because this is Korea not the west. Kpop isn't some ooo exotic and new phenomenon. No it's just regular pop music to us, to you guys it's new fancy OMG best etc. To us it's just the norm. There's thousands of musicians idols , soloist etc that garner our attention, so it makes sense that groups are forgotten about rather quickly. Even our most successful groups like BTS yeah we think they are good for going so far but at the end of the day to us they are just regular music like all the other groups.
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those two and also Twice
like how???
I was already wondering what groups you had in mind, but it's those you were talking about.
Maybe it's simply the song?
K-pop fans are maybe overestimating the impact group popularity has on charting; while I think popularity of a group has some influence, I think that the catchiness of a song and how promoted and wellknown it is to the general public has a far bigger impact on how it charts.
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Still a mystery. It's like in a snap of finger, the whole korea unanimously decided they will not support twice anymore anymore
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Usually it's a scandal of somekind that does a group in overnight (unless you're Big Bang with connections) but sometimes a couple back to back disliked songs can have the same floppage
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I was already wondering what groups you had in mind, but it's those you were talking about.
Maybe it's simply the song?
K-pop fans are maybe overestimating the impact group popularity has on charting; while I think popularity of a group has some influence, I think that the catchiness of a song and how promoted and wellknown it is to the general public has a far bigger impact on how it charts.
In my opinion Block B's quality didn't decrease. Their first comeback that flopped, Shall We Dance (a bop), earlier that year their unpromoted song, Yesterday, peaked at #1 on Gaon, their first #1 ever.
And what's crazy is they had a pretty long hiatus and still did really well on the charts when they returned, it was right after Yesterday they just stopped charting.
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Charting dynamics. The average Korean only listen top 100, meaning if you not chart well you basically don't exist
Teenagers and young adults are the ones who follow kpop closely and only ones who will actively search for music
Having a population with more adults over 40 than teens makes things REALLY ugly for idols, who needs connection with younger audience as part of their core listeners
When a group is older the chances of them having a song flopping at release and then climbing with time is non-existent, because teenagers will look for younger idols
Bear in mind the average Korean see kpop idols as disposable pop singers. Kpop stans claiming their faves are loved by public are delusional. People have no true respect for them and the are almost always seen as a fad.
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yeah, after HIP, I thought Mamamoo had really made it, but then ???
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most of the time it's the music. mamamoo have not had a good song in a long time. it reminds me of oh my girl, with nonstop and dolphin, and then dun dun dance, and then real love just flopped.
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most of the time it's the music. mamamoo have not had a good song in a long time. it reminds me of oh my girl, with nonstop and dolphin, and then dun dun dance, and then real love just flopped.
Ah yes, they were on a roll.
I love those songs, especially nonstop and ddd and was hyped for their next comeback. Then I listened to real love twice and the hype vanished for me.
So, yeah, I behaved that way too
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I'm a BBC.
With BlockB I think it happened because of how wrongly people treated and attacked Park Kyung for him simply talking about his belief's, and talked about chart manipulation. People took it the wrong way, cause I think people thought he was mentioning a popular group, and people just hated on him. (Thankfully Kyung thanked BTS's Jin for talking about the topic as well because a lot of people did forget about it).
I also think its because members went to military, B Bomb choosing to focus on his cafe and setting it up, ZICO focusing on KOZ, and one of the most popular members (Jihoon aka the youngest) enlisting in the Marines for his service.
Part of it is just simply they aren't releasing music as a group, focusing on solo projects. But the fanbase is still pretty active and still interacting with each other. Even more so on anniversary's or in live streams.
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🌷I KNOW RIGHT, I also wonder how, especially since the new releases were not that bad this comeback. Usually it’s either because the group is producing somewhere else, or the music they are releasing is not enough. I feel like twice still promotes in Korea, especially for a 3rd gen group who is really popular. It happened so suddenly, however I will always support twice.🌷
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I could be wrong, but I think sometimes song really DO matter
Like for Mamamoo, I think people just didn't vibe with Aya and that killed their momentum. And maybe after that the group decide to focus more on solo stuff so that really halted the group's progress even though they are still doing well in general.
And for StayC, for some reason people didn't vibe with Beautiful Monster and then that kinda put a dent. But then Teddy Bear happen and they are back again
Plus, new groups that catches your attention generally just distracts you away from older groups if we are talking about GP recognition
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Usually it's a scandal of somekind that does a group in overnight (unless you're Big Bang with connections) but sometimes a couple back to back disliked songs can have the same floppage
It wasn't connections for BigBang. The reason they stayed is because their music and a decent amount of their image/concept was something that everyone felt they could be part of, and their music was targeted towards everyone. This is a total disconnect from your average idol group or boy groups. These people lose popularity because they essentially alienate the GP and anyone else as they focus on and cater specifically to their fandom or target audience. Kinda hard for the average person to say be interested in xyz group when their image messaging music and members actions exclusively target teens or young women or women that are still in school. Once the fandom begins to shrink etc then that group becomes irrelevant, because they had artificial popularity= propped up by fans through streaming etc. Where as BigBang the average person likes something about them if not the music it's something about the members personality or image they put out and thus they maintain long term support even if the fandom shrinks. It's like Micheal Jackson, not everyone was a fan of him personally but soooo many people liked his music or other acts and thus would keep the popularity up as the average gp would still play something by him occasionally
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It wasn't connections for BigBang. The reason they stayed is because their music and a decent amount of their image/concept was something that everyone felt they could be part of, and their music was targeted towards everyone. This is a total disconnect from your average idol group or boy groups. These people lose popularity because they essentially alienate the GP and anyone else as they focus on and cater specifically to their fandom or target audience. Kinda hard for the average person to say be interested in xyz group when their image messaging music and members actions exclusively target teens or young women or women that are still in school. Once the fandom begins to shrink etc then that group becomes irrelevant, because they had artificial popularity= propped up by fans through streaming etc. Where as BigBang the average person likes something about them if not the music it's something about the members personality or image they put out and thus they maintain long term support even if the fandom shrinks. It's like Micheal Jackson, not everyone was a fan of him personally but soooo many people liked his music or other acts and thus would keep the popularity up as the average gp would still play something by him occasionally
I meant connections as in ways they kept out of receiving repercussions. A lot of idols would be and have been outright cancelled or bars for the things they’ve been suspected of but BB continued on for years.
We all know what seungri did for years and nobody ever investigated him. He alone should’ve been a big wake up call. Police even looked the other way while his club was raping and filming women. Hell even after everything was revealed all he got was a slap on a the wrist and almost got away with it all by doing military service to avoid actual court trail. Big Bang members pretty much knew what his personality was like and possibly knew what he was really up. There was even one time he flipped his car on a road and when being taken to hospital in the ambulance he got out mid journey and had his manager drive him elsewhere, it was always suspected he was DUI but got it covered it up.
Daesung had that sketchy issue where he bought a building that was known prior to have gangs and general crime operating from it.
YG is basically a crime boss who has been wrapped up in fraud and shit, fronted seungri all along and has some very icky personal history (grooming his wife as a child, seeing underage Han Seo Hee at an adult bar). His label has numerous drug issues from idols to staff. There was also an occasion where YG staff were seen by eye witnesses clearing boxes out of offices, hours later police raided them. It’s apparent they got a tip off about the raid and took advatange to get rid of the skeletons in their closet.
Less direct but Top did weed but after his suicide attempt people have mellowed out on and he got probation. GD was always suspected of taking drugs especially after he was investigated for taking weed at a party years and years ago but nothing ever proven.
Taeyang…..is the only scandal free one lol.
So yeah BB have had multiple run ins where their connections helped them stay out of major trouble. Public may like their music and image but I think if their actions came out in daylight the public would have a very different outlook on them though the years.
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To be fair, Twice's isn't exactly overnight or over 1 year.
Yes or Yes was their last song to get chart at number 1 before their change in sound.
Fancy peaked at 3, Feel Special at 9, More and More at 4, ICSM 8, Alcohol Free 6, Scientist 32, Talk that Talk 20, Set me Free 94....You can see after their sound change, the fandom still tried to hold strong for another 2-3 years before the floor gave way and plummeted after Scientist.
I've always seen Twice's issue was change in sound. I contribute it to few factors.1.) Losing BEP and stop using Collapsedone - Majority of Twice's hit was the result of BEP and Collapsedone with few other here and there. BEP went on to start StayC and its understandable that he'd save the best for his own groups. As much as people "love groups" what they really love is the producer. A lot of groups have certain sounds and its attributed to certain producers. Twice and BEP, Blackpink and Teddy, Dreamcatcher and Leez/Olunder, IVE and Ryan S J etc.
A group isn't the same when you have relied on a particular sound for years and built your entire fanbase on it. Talk that Talk was by Collapsedone and did better than other songs but by then the damage cant be undone, 2-3 years of songs being produced by other producers....is too much for any fandom.
2.) JYP's complete lack of respect for OG fans - I get the need to change sound but you gotta toss your loyal fans a bone here and there....Twice come back so often so a "mature" release here and there is ok if you toss in a "happy bright" release every here and there but that did not happen. Fans been complaining since Fancy for bright songs. There is a limit to how resilient a fanbase is and JYP broke it.
3.) A shift in fanbase - There has been a lot of love for Twice more mature sound, the only issue is only 50% (made up number) of Onces also like their new sound but a good majority don't. If you haven't noticed, Twice's new sound started gaining fans from people who normally wouldn't listen to Twice old sound before. There has been increase in fans from other fandoms like BG fans, western audience, etc but these fans will not help you chart in SK but they might in concert attendance and sales though which is what we're seeing right now. The core fanbase has moved on and the new fanbase hasn't had enough time to fit in yet.
Then there are other factors like age and stuff but that's been talked about many times here.
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I think many people were predicting this for 2023. After many super strong new groups debuted in 2022 the market is more or less oversaturated and it's inevitable that some groups will decline.
There's a limited amount of people with a limited amount of time of money. It's hard for K-Pop to grow any further in Korea so if there's a bombardment of new high quality GGs it will mean some decline for other groups.
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🌷I KNOW RIGHT, I also wonder how, especially since the new releases were not that bad this comeback. Usually it’s either because the group is producing somewhere else, or the music they are releasing is not enough. I feel like twice still promotes in Korea, especially for a 3rd gen group who is really popular. It happened so suddenly, however I will always support twice.🌷
I think with Twice, a lot of people (men especially) wanted to see them as cute girls singing cute songs.
So, when they came with a more mature concept and they had a few dating 'scandals', a lot of their 'fans' moved on to the next group.
Ironically, this more mature concept seemed to make them more popular amongst another demographic: international, female fans.
Personally, I think they would have been better off in Korea if they would have released another cute song after Fancy, to reassure their fanbase and then mix cute with going into a different direction.
Note that I did not say that I wanted this.
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They can't be on top or stay at their peak forever. At some point, they have to come down. So, I guess it depends on the reason for their success.
Did they chart well because the GP loved their music or was their charting fandom driven? If it's because of the GP, then they'll most likely chart for decades while fandoms mature and have demands impossible to maintain eg success stans, concept stans, etc There are many uncontrollable variables in an idol's career.
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Most of the Gallup surveys use wording as 'most favorite singer/actor/etc' of the respondent as stated in most of the articles about it. Unless they all translated it incorrectly, and the wording of the survey happens to be differently, this points towards what singers/celebs/etc the participants favor most, and in the top lists, K-pop groups and artists are included, which isn't odd or farfetched at all.
It's not as if the whole Korean public hate K-pop idols or think they're all trash that don't deserve any praise, admiration or to be liked.
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Korea lacks taste!
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im not korean, this is jsut my opinion as a long standing kpop fan
kpop's following is inherently shallow and people will only and only follow whoever is hip and trendy at the moment
thats all, plain and simple
idols are not seen as humans, and they take advantage of that, but there's disadvantages too
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Most of the Gallup surveys use wording as 'most favorite singer/actor/etc' of the respondent as stated in most of the articles about it. Unless they all translated it incorrectly, and the wording of the survey happens to be differently, this points towards what singers/celebs/etc the participants favor most, and in the top lists, K-pop groups and artists are included, which isn't odd or farfetched at all.
It's not as if the whole Korean public hate K-pop idols or think they're all trash that don't deserve any praise, admiration or to be liked.
I'm pretty it's either a mistranlation or a case the Koreans having a different interpretation of what being their favorite artist to be.
Point case, NJ, Aespa and Ive all made 2022 ranking. If a bunch of 1-year old groups are making the top 10 and there is no signs of groups that used to rank just a couple of years before this is a sign of Koreans really see idols are disposable, otherwise older groups and legacy groups would make the rankings instead of just hyped rookies.
Of a few 3 to 4 years the same people who answer Aespa will drop then and answer another idol instead
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momentum, scandal, weird music choices, can be a lot of things. Some like Crayon Pop was just a massice bop, or sometimes like aespa the song is missing for gp.
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All the comments on music quality are annoying. That's completely subjective and a lazy explanation. Mamamoo had songs chart well after HIP.
They're also in the middle of a successful world tour, so can we stop pretending like their fans moved on. We are all still here, I go to concerts with the same people and we are selling out arenas.
In Mamamoo's case, don't overcomplicate things and create false narratives. They essentially went on a year+ hiatus as a group right when the new generation hit their stride in 2021. By 2022, the girl group kingdom fully belonged to the next generation--all the top performing songs were 4th gen groups.
Mamamoo having dominant charting in their 9th year would be a great thing to see, but they don't need it. We buy their albums, merch and attend all their concerts. The members are enjoying all of the individual activities they've wanted to pursue.
They'll be just fine.
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Block B is the only boy group that had a potential to become the new BigBang. Unfortunately their career was a rollercoaster. Thailand scandal, then lawsuit against their company, like I wasn't even expecting them to rebound from that but they did. However they then dipped for an entirely unknown reason.
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Jihoon~. Also known as P.O. He's also known for being friends with Mino since they were young, and since Mino was originally supposed to be in BlockB.
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Jihoon~. Also known as P.O. He's also known for being friends with Mino since they were young, and since Mino was originally supposed to be in BlockB.
I was told by Korean BBC's a while ago that his staff posts on social media for him because he doesn't understand it, and he's often seen as intimidating because of his deep voice and as a rapper. But honestly, during the livestreams, and their anniversary ones, he's one of the sweetest lol.
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