Your idols self produced music probably sucks

All the best to this thread.

Let's see which groups will be dragged.

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Very true. Being self produced doesnt mean shiznit if your music sucks. Lucky for me i stan only the BEST self produced groups like Day6, SKZ, and Gidle.

Also, i've said it before, just cause your fave is on the credit line doesnt mean he or she did anything meaningful. If there are four or five other names on that line, your faves couldve just written one "oh yea" and gotten credit for it. Also, your fave couldve been illegally given credit when everything he or she did was done by someone else, ala ghostwriter controversy.

this thread be flopping but I can still farm an akorn

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Ure saying bad doesn't make the song bad lmao

Only Soyeon is the gg member I know that can produce QUALITY song.

And maybe Bang Chan but only maybe

and can u do my essay for me

U all talking about skz and ateez right??

I like Straykids music

Really depends on the music.

Like Oasis by golcha (produced by tag, member of golcha) just isn't a good song, and I'm a goldeness!

Jeon Soyeon's Beam Beam however...

so you are not talking about lyrics but actual composition and arrangements right?

There are barely any idols who can actually do it without professionals help and that is fine because there is a reason it is a separate job with pros.

Soyeon is actually one of the very few who actually does even composition and arrangements (for some songs only) with the help of just one other person, same with youngk... Otherwise usually its a big list.

I am not sure about how many people help with skz songs though never really checked that out but i do know that chan does have some experience in it.

Most take a good amount of help.

As for lyrics many idols are good at it and do it pretty well

I mean it depends

If you like it, you like it

If you don't, you don't

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so you are not talking about lyrics but actual composition and arrangements right?

There are barely any idols who can actually do it without professionals help and that is fine because there is a reason it is a separate job with pros.

Soyeon is actually one of the very few who actually does even composition and arrangements (for some songs only) with the help of just one other person, same with youngk... Otherwise usually its a big list.

I am not sure about how many people help with skz songs though never really checked that out but i do know that chan does have some experience in it.

Most take a good amount of help.

As for lyrics many idols are good at it and do it pretty well

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Wut? Are you sure? I'm pretty sure Soyeon has been credited for every Gidle title song, and i'm pretty sure she was the sole songwriter for some of them (she usually has 1 other person on the writer/producer lines, maybe two at most).

Yes you’re probably right but at the same time some of those coveted “professional” producers also make terrible music especially for some big groups whose names i won’t mention bc I don’t have the energy to fight yall so at the end of the day it’s all moot. Idol producers can be shit but so can professional ones, and no point was made

Getting my akorn money

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Wut? Are you sure? I'm pretty sure Soyeon has been credited for every Gidle title song, and i'm pretty sure she was the sole songwriter for some of them (she usually has 1 other person on the writer/producer lines, maybe two at most).

On all title tracks (including LION):

Soyeon is credited as the only lyricist. For music composition, she's credited first before the producer. For arrangement, she's credited after the producer. The only exception is 'Uh-Oh' which she has no arrangement credits for. On a given song, she works with only one producer; exception for 'Uh-Oh' (again) with both June and MooF credited as arrangers and co-composers.

(I didn't consider Last Dance as a title track)

Most so called self produced are being praised for nothing with their involvement being grossly overstated.

Also I'm sorry but writing on top of an already composed track with a melody is not the same as composing/producing a song from scratch.

That's why most of Y'all so called self producing faves music sounds like ass once they leave their huge label.

Exceptions to this - Soyeon from G-idle who not only writes but gets composition credit on title tracks but she's a girl so she doesn't get praised half as much as she should be. Suga is good and his works speaks for itself but he has never produced a BTS title track.

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I am not sure about how many people help with skz songs though never really checked that out but i do know that chan does have some experience in it.

Usually not many, 1-2 people. For lyrics, almost always zero, if someone else is credited for composition it's only after 3RACHA usually.

Yes, Chan arranges songs increasingly more often.

People only care about self producing to brag about it, not only the quality can be questionable but alot of these so called self produced idols get all kinds of people to help them, who knows which part they actually participated

people always use as a drag the fact groups don't make their own music. I would say, if some groups STOPPED making their own music then they would finally escape their flop era bcs self produced music ≠ good music

It's probably true for some groups, some are only credited so that the song can be marketed as self produced and when you check the credits they're behind several people. But let's not act like all your "professionals" can only make good songs and their work is always necessarily better than that of idol producers.

Well, I'm glad I stan a group who write all their songs and self-produce good music.

My idols' self produced free songs are 😘😘😘

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people always use as a drag the fact groups don't make their own music. I would say, if some groups STOPPED making their own music then they would finally escape their flop era bcs self produced music ≠ good music

What's the most important for an artist though? Is it to top charts absolutely or to be able to express themselves through their own music?

Of course every artist wish for their music to reach and connect with the bigger audience possible. But sometimes it just doesn't and that's ok as long as they sincerely did what they wanted to do.

You can flop with your self produced music, sure, but you can also flop with music your company forced on you and that you didn't even like that much in the first place. What's the worst deal?

Not this genius

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What's the most important for an artist though? Is it to top charts absolutely or to be able to express themselves through their own music?

Of course every artist wish for their music to reach and connect with the bigger audience possible. But sometimes it just doesn't and that's ok as long as they sincerely did what they wanted to do.

You can flop with your self producing music, sure, but you can also flop with music your company forced on you and that you didn't even like that much in the first place. What's the worst deal?

Only in kpop people expect artists to be multifunctional and be excellent in every single category - singing, dancing, rapping, producing,good at varieties,great actors and so on and so on. Not every idol's most important goal is to produce music. Many care about those charts more, many just want to perform their songs and that's it. What I am trying to say is that people use as a brag the fact their faves make their own music and they hate on those groups whose music isn't self produced. In those cases I am saying that my personal opinion is their music sucks so in such cases dragging based on self produced music is hilarious.

I agree, some of the self produced music fans brag about is just...

Out of the idols that worked on title tracks, the only ones I really consider good(and can remember rn) are Soyeon, G Dragon, B1A4 Jinyoung, Jun. k and Hui. Also the Ikon member that worked on Love Scenario and the BTS member who worked on Spring day

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Wut? Are you sure? I'm pretty sure Soyeon has been credited for every Gidle title song, and i'm pretty sure she was the sole songwriter for some of them (she usually has 1 other person on the writer/producer lines, maybe two at most).

yeah thats what I said she has atleast 1 professional at her side.. read cqarefully lol XD

What a stupid premise for a thread.

You know that though, so whatever.

but fr what about b.i tho

(even tho I'm not a fan of him)