What is the current TOP 10 group ranking for 4th generation ?

Which year groups are 4th gen

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Which year groups are 4th gen

they said since 2017 until now

The 7643207989562312th thread about this topic...

SKZ v. SKZ, who wins?

this might help for spotify and digitals but you have to summarise. lol. just came accross these the past days:

spotify:

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Most Streamed 4th Gen Songs on Spotify

1	GIDLE (K/DA)	Pop/Stars	219,776,864
2	ITZY	Wannabe	182,781,888
3	ITZY	Dalla Dalla	159,542,455
4	Stray Kids	God's Menu	124,853,167
5	ITZY	Not Shy	119,313,868
6	TXT	Crown	110,052,595
7	GIDLE (K/DA)	MORE	109,186,660
8	GIDLE (K/DA)	The Baddest	105,660,395
9	ITZY	ICY	104,479,879
10	Stray Kids	MIROH	103,781,455
11	IZ*ONE	La Vie En rose	98,093,910
12	GIDLE	Latata	93,497,950
13	EVERGLOW	Dun Dun	92,653,605
14	Stray Kids	Back Door	87,458,590
15	EVERGLOW	Bon Bon Chocolat	87,342,338
16	TXT	Runaway

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worldlove27

Sep 7th 2021

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TXT is now the 11th most streamed Korean act on Spotify.

TXT: 1,054,013,601
(G)I-DLE: 1,053,070,541

Acts in the top 10:

1. BTS
2. BLACKPINK
3. TWICE
4. EXO
5. Red Velvet
6. SKZ
7. SVT
8. IU
9. NCT 127
10. BIGBANG

MassiveKpopFan

Sep 18th 2021

2021 digital: Idol Groups ranked by Cumulative Digital Points (Week 37 Update)

Ggs: Itzy, Gidle, Stayc, Aespa and Loona

Bgs: Txt, skz, enhypen, ateez and nct(not sure if the last 2 are 3rd gen or fourth gen)

You forgot Ateez

Taking into account my limited overall knowledge

Girlgroups:

Itzy

G-idle

Aespa

Loona

StayC

Boygroups:

TXT/Stray Kids (Heavily debatable)

The Boyz

Enhypen

Ateez

MassiveKpopFan You would probably have the most accurate idea bestie

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SKZ v. SKZ, who wins?

txt

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they said since 2017 until now

The general consensus is that the Fourth Generation started in 2018.

It looks like I'll need to bring out the chart again:

Izone

Itzy

Aespa

StayC

Gidle (last because of scandal)

SKZ

TXT

Ateez

The Boyz

Enhypen

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they said since 2017 until now

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The general consensus is that the Fourth Generation started in 2018.

It looks like I'll need to bring out the chart again:

The thin line often looked over is the consensus that The Boyz is actually considered the start of 4th Gen, because despite technically debuting at the end of 2017, they actually didn’t start their first promotional period till the start of 2018, making them eligible for all the same awards as G-idle, Stray Kids, ect thus why they’re largely considered 4th Gen as well.

For ggs

Izone, itzy, aespa, gidle, loona, stayc, everglow, weeekly, purple kiss, dreamcatcher(if 2017 count)

Itzy aespa gidle stayc

Izone disbanded so don't see why they're in ranking , purple kiss weeekly loona everglow are all interchangeable tbh

Aespa, Stayc/Itzy, Gidle, Weeekly

TXT, Stray Kids, Enhypen/ TBZ/ Treasure, Ate

Bg is more tricky groups like TXT, Enhypen and Stray Kids have good physicals but TXT and TBZ have good digitals for a boy group

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For ggs

Izone, itzy, aespa, gidle, loona, stayc, everglow, weeekly, purple kiss, dreamcatcher(if 2017 count)

I agree with you even if I remove Iz*One and Dreamcatcher.

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Taking into account my limited overall knowledge

Girlgroups:

Itzy

G-idle

Aespa

Loona

StayC

Boygroups:

TXT/Stray Kids (Heavily debatable)

The Boyz

Enhypen

Ateez

MassiveKpopFan You would probably have the most accurate idea bestie

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Your list is accurate. You can rank them within GG and BG, but not overall yet.

People who put The Boyz and Ateez above Enhypen are delusional.

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People who put The Boyz and Ateez above Enhypen are delusional.

Enhypen have sales but they have made no name yet

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Enhypen have sales but they have made no name yet

???

And which 4th gen groups made a name for themselves? What a stupid argument. They also have international streams and monthly listeners.

Girl groups Aespa STAYC itzy Gidle Weeekly pretty sure izone disbanded Lmaoo dunno why they’re even being mentioned

Boy groups NCT Txt sk whatever else

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People who put The Boyz and Ateez above Enhypen are delusional.

didn't Ateez just get the highest first-week sales for a 4th gen BG so it is not completely unreasonable

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didn't Ateez just get the highest first-week sales for a 4th gen BG so it is not completely unreasonable

The criteria is not only physical sales, plus Enhypen is about to come back and they had immence growth since their last release. If physicals are the most important, why not put them above TXT and SKZ?

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Which year groups are 4th gen

Based on some comments from knetz they think it should be 2019 onwards but some people are saying it’s 2018 so idk

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People who put The Boyz and Ateez above Enhypen are delusional.

They boys aren’t 4th gen either

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They boys aren’t 4th gen either

I agree but didn't wanna derail and start a huge fight.

Top 10 in no particular order:

Itzy

Aespa

Stray Kids

TXT

Ateez

Gidle

Enhypen

The Boyz

Loona

StayC

I think this should be broken down to two categories: International and Korea

KOREA

Aespa > Itzy > Gidle > StayC > Loona

International

Aespa > Itzy > Gidle > Loona > Everglow

I ranked Aespa higher than Itzy because Aespa's endorsements and stream counts not just in South Korea but also on Spotify is extremely high. Aespa's social interactions numbers are also higher than Itzy's.

Everglow before StayC internationally. Based of the view count criteria and international album sales. Sure StayC latest album has over 100k sales but I guarantee South Korea accounts for around 70% of their album sales, making Everglow have more international sales than StayC. Everglow doesn't sell well in south Korea at all, around 10%.

I didn't include izone because they disbanded.

To help aid in your determination, here is a *complete* ranking of all music show wins for both girl groups and boy groups in the Fourth Generation:

Itzy - 39 wins

(G)I-dle - 28 wins

Iz*One - 26 wins (disbanded)

StayC - 3 wins

Everglow - 2 wins

Loona - 2 wins

Aespa - 1 win

Fromis 9 - 1 win

TOTAL - 102 wins

TXT - 13 wins

X1 - 11 wins (disbanded)

Stray Kids - 10 wins

The Boyz - 10 wins (it's arguable if they are really Fourth Generation)

AB6IX - 7 wins

Ateez - 5 wins

Enhypen - 3 wins

CIX - 1 win

Cravity - 1 win

TOTAL - 61 wins

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To help aid in your determination, here is a *complete* ranking of all music show wins for both girl groups and boy groups in the Fourth Generation:

Itzy - 39 wins

(G)I-dle - 28 wins

Iz*One - 26 wins (disbanded)

StayC - 3 wins

Everglow - 2 wins

Loona - 2 wins

Aespa - 1 win

Fromis 9 - 1 win

TOTAL - 102 wins

TXT - 13 wins

X1 - 11 wins (disbanded)

Stray Kids - 10 wins

The Boyz - 10 wins (it's arguable if they are really Fourth Generation)

AB6IX - 7 wins

Ateez - 5 wins

Enhypen - 3 wins

CIX - 1 win

Cravity - 1 win

TOTAL - 61 wins

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How many of these groups’ wins are from The Show? I know skz and itzy have never gone on there and you have to appear to win. not sure about the others. Also tbh I don’t know if wins is the best metric for this. Aespa for example only has one and we all know they’re probably at least number 2 for the ggs

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How many of these groups’ wins are from The Show? I know skz and itzy have never gone on there and you have to appear to win. not sure about the others

Why does that matter? I'm genuinely asking.

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Why does that matter? I'm genuinely asking.

Bc they’re talking about using number of wins to determine the top groups. Most of those groups have wins on a music show that requires you to peform on it to be eligible to win, and some of those groups have never attended.

based on my observations bc I don't have enough time to check all data

(In no particular order)

Txt, skz, itzy, aespa, g Idle, tbz, enhypen, stayc and ateez

10th place is shared between dreamcatcher, treasure and loona.

Special mention because these two groups still have records for bgs on melon and ggs on physicals: X1 and izone

For ggs I think overall it's itzy on first place, based on numbers g-idle would be #2 but I feel like they already stagnated and aespa will eventually overtake them, then there is like a pretty big gap so idk

Bgs is a bit more competitive but the clear top 2 is txt/stray kids and I don't think it's clear which one is ahead since they sell similarly, skz have a lead on spotify/yt but they also debuted earlier, meanwhile txt seem to be stronger in korea/japan/us markets. After them there is also a bit of a gap, I guess enhypen 3rd

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Bc they’re talking about using number of wins to determine the top groups. Most of those groups have wins on a music show that requires you to peform on it to be eligible to win, and some of those groups have never attended.

MCountdown also requires physical attendance to even be eligible. And The Show, no matter its reputation as "the nugu music show", is still hard to win at. A lot of 4th gen fandoms aim for there because they don't have good Korean digitals and/or a big fandom.

Idk but right now WayV would be there.

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How many of these groups’ wins are from The Show? I know skz and itzy have never gone on there and you have to appear to win. not sure about the others. Also tbh I don’t know if wins is the best metric for this. Aespa for example only has one and we all know they’re probably at least number 2 for the ggs

Here you go:

Itzy - 0 of 39

(G)I-dle - 5 of 28

Iz*One - 9 of 26

StayC - 1 of 3

Everglow - 2 of 2

Loona - 1 of 2

Aespa - 0 of 1

Fromis 9 - 1 of 1

TXT - 6 of 13

X1 - 2 of 11

Stray Kids - 0 of 10

The Boyz - 3 of 10

AB6IX - 4 of 7

Ateez - 3 of 5

Enhypen - 1 of 3

CIX - 1 of 1

Cravity - 1 of 1

But yes, I do agree that music show wins should not be the sole metric used when determining the top groups. It is just one factor to consider.