I'm really curious because baby monster is a talented bunch and really have the potential but their songs don't have the reach that BP (and BTS) had back in the day, which is to bring in new audience...
They have numbers and hold successful concerts but non of the members have same level of influence as BP did back in the day...
What's missing 
Because YG doesn't push them all equally
YG didnt push BP either... after As if its your last BP was put on hiatus...
Which is weird because I thought Yg will do better with them...
Because YG doesn't push them all equally
This makes zero sense bc baemon is having waaaaaaay more push than BP when they debuted.
Their first real contact with fans was in PWF era bc in Whistle they just dropped the MV, made some few music show appearance and that's it then after PWF it took them long months to cb with 1 song and then after a year they had another cb.
Baemon already had their full album and several singles compared to BP.
This makes zero sense bc baemon is having waaaaaaay more push than BP when they debuted.
Their first real contact with fans was in PWF era bc in Whistle they just dropped the MV, made some few music show appearance and that's it then after PWF it took them long months to cb with 1 song and then after a year they had another cb.
Baemon already had their full album and several singles compared to BP.
I'm aware of all this but OP states that none of the BM members have the same level of influence as BP did and I think that has very little to do with music show appearances and comebacks.
Take GD for example. He was basically on a hiatus for like 7 years if I'm not mistaken. No new songs, no appearances, no comeback. That doesn't mean his influence was lost, does it?
Btw I think it's their aura and music. When BP debuted all 4 were so different, so beautiful, so "star power" like a super group where you didn't feel "oh, this one is almost a filler" "oh, the group didn't need this much members" etc, they felt complete and as they were already young ladies they looked cool, pretty, etc, the perfect aura for their concept too.
The synergy was great from the members to the songs to the concept to the performances.
I'm aware of all this but OP states that none of the BM members have the same level of influence as BP did and I think that has very little to do with music show appearances and comebacks.
Take GD for example. He was basically on a hiatus for like 7 years if I'm not mistaken. No new songs, no appearances, no comeback. That doesn't mean his influence was lost, does it?
I answered why I think BP is different and yes, star power counts into it too.
as someone who always felt in love with YG GG since 2NE1
i personally don't think Babymonster discography is as good than 2NE1 or BP
these 2 groups music were standing out during their time but i don't feel the same for BM
+ I would say one of the strenght of 2NE1 and BP and something that YG always were good at doing with some groups like Big bang too was giving their idols a strong individuality in the group
like each one stand out as an individual even if they were in a group
and it's something usually that work well for small group but because BM is a big group, the members have struggle to stand out from each other
i never follow BM pre-debut and i only heard about ahyeon and chiquita before but none of them really stand out in their performance or with the group as having a strong and clear personality and identity showing off
I think YG just is bad with Big group and should stick to small lineup
cuz i feel like their strenght kinda died down when they started to debut bigger group like Ikon, Treasure, BM
BP has consistently released good music and the members are hot, badass women, or at least do well in presenting themselves that way.
BM has had some questionable releases so far and the members are younger, they just don't have the same aura as BP. They will never be as big as BP but I think they will just keep getting bigger and remain the leaders of their generation if they can release good songs.
the reason is their songs. whistle is one of best song of bp and tbh ı think one hit song can a be big chanxe to grow as a group. Also the conditions of that time were very favorable for K-pop groups to shine in the West, and the ones who took the best advantage of it were BP and BTS. Right now, there are too many groups, and the K-pop impact is in a stagnation period.
3rd gen was K-pop peak
BP debuted at the right time, not too much competition and it was an era where cute and girl next door concept was huge so they immediately stand out.
They were also introduced by their seniors.
4 members with different persona and we see it with their solo music.
Sven if they were inspired by 2ne1 it’s not a carbon copy meanwhile Baemon is a mix of both with underaged girls they don’t give boss bitch.
The difference is the timing of their debut.
Blackpink debuted in a time where innocent/cute girl groups were the trend so they obviously stood out with their hard hitting girl crush. + with them being the first YG gg in 7 years…they had a lot of hype.
Babymonster on the other hand, took forever to even release batter up after the whole survival show thing and then there was the issue with Ahyeon not even being with the group during the BU era (which is why YG media plays Sheesh as being the debut 
)
Anyway, the point i’m making is that Kpop wasn’t missing a GG like Babymonster since there were already groups like Gidle, Aespa, Le Sserafim, and so on. They added nothing new to the industry whereas Blackpink did. That’s what they have that Babymonster doesn’t.
There are too many members in Babymonster that Yg can’t manage. I always see Ahyeon and Chiquita. Other members seem like they are in the shadows. It means that YG doesn’t know how to manage a big member group.
Also music. Music is outdated, hence not the results of BP.
Also the ages of the girls. YG is trying to push that badass girl image which doesn’t suit them at all. I think more elegant and cute style like Ive suits Babymonster more.
Also, YG should let go this image of exclusivity. Let Babymonster do challenges with other idols. It helps to get exposure to a wider kpop audience and other groups’ fanbases.
And finally BM doesn’t seem to me cohesive. It feels like bunch of soloists thrown into a group. Everybody is doing their own thing. As much as they should shine individually, they are a team after all.
My two cents.
#1 - The Debut Conflicts
YGE wasn't able to build healthy antecepation for BAEMON's debut. The label did the impossible and spoiled their debut by taking too long to debut the girls after the reality show + Ahyeon's absense from debut was bad. Both events drove kpop fans attentions to other groups. YGE is known to starve fans, but this ain't no way to do it.
#2 - Kpop Market
When 2NE1 and BlackPink debuted, the market wasn't packed with BIG4 and known companies debuts all around and up coming. The fast paced market didn't make room for YGE's mismanaged debut.
The market scene also backs up my #1 item on this list.
#3 - The songs
Babymonster's repertoire isn't as good as 2NE1 and BP. And the concept isn't as unique compared to their peers. 2NE1 and BlackPink stood out from the crowd because of their unique girl crush concepts when their peers weren't inovating much.
When BlackPink debuted, even before, everyone was saying they'd be a knock off 2NE1 version. Their debut happened and the similar YGE feeling was there, but BP's aura was clearly from 2NE1.
Babymonster still didn't break through the 'their songs are BlackPink's rejects' general thought in the kpop fan comunity, even though their producer isn't Teddy.
Plus points:
- YGE didn't find out how to manage 8 girls at once. BP were never just idols, they became big fashion brands embassadors as soon as the opportunity came. And that move did not only add to individual brand value, it also strengthen the group's brand value.
- Because of BLACKPINK's individual acitivities as embassadors, the members created distinctive personas (such as "human Chanel") and so the public got the chance to get to know and follow every members. BP had the chance to build individual fanbases early in their career. That isn't going for BM and I think YGE didn't figure out how to expose every member to the GP and larger kpop fans audiences.
Display Moreas someone who always felt in love with YG GG since 2NE1
i personally don't think Babymonster discography is as good than 2NE1 or BP
these 2 groups music were standing out during their time but i don't feel the same for BM
+ I would say one of the strenght of 2NE1 and BP and something that YG always were good at doing with some groups like Big bang too was giving their idols a strong individuality in the group
like each one stand out as an individual even if they were in a group
and it's something usually that work well for small group but because BM is a big group, the members have struggle to stand out from each other
i never follow BM pre-debut and i only heard about ahyeon and chiquita before but none of them really stand out in their performance or with the group as having a strong and clear personality and identity showing off
I think YG just is bad with Big group and should stick to small lineup
cuz i feel like their strenght kinda died down when they started to debut bigger group like Ikon, Treasure, BM
Couldn't have it better. YG thrives on smaller groups of 4 or 5 members and letting them flourish as individuals. Outside of that, they kinda flounder. It's a formula that works, and they should stick to it. Sometimes rocking the ship isn't the best course of action to generate more revenue...
Btw in baemon while they are super cute together they indeed look like 2 groups in 1.
Chiquita, Asa, Ruka and Ahyeon could be one group.
Pharita, Rora and Rami could be another group.
This is the same situation with Treasure. In the end it's all in how YGE can't manage too many members and give each of them their individuality.
I think the main factor is 3/4 speak English fluently. You really can't compete with that when you want an international fanbase. Babymonster Pharita is really the only fluent speaker in the group; Ahyeon isn't 100% there yet.
Teddy Park aka the 5th member of BP is a gyopo and grew up in America, so he knows what appeals to Western listeners. He made kpop sound cool instead of gimmicky or memey. BP were all above legal age when they debuted which is especially important when you have a girl crush hip hop/rap concept. They aren't limited by concepts. Even then, Blackpink didn't curse in their songs (bitch doesn't count) until Born Pink, SIX YEARS after their debut.
Blackpink's members are also super easy to learn and remember; even 3/4 have English names and Jisoo isn't a hard name to pronounce for English speakers (in comparison to Tzuyu or Jeongyeon). They only have 4 members; big groups can turn off international fans and it can be hard to remember names and get to know the members individually when the group is big.
They also have clear-cut roles and images. Jisoo is visual, Jennie is main rapper, Rose is main vocal, and Lisa is main dancer. For their images: Jisoo is the classic Korean beauty, the pretty actress. Jennie is the cool trendsetter it girl. Rose is the soft, artistic, acoustic girl. Lisa is the sexy/cute, charismatic baddie
Even their appearances make them easy to distinguish. Jisoo is the KBS visual, Jennie has the cat eyes and looks gyopo, Rose is the blonde one, and Lisa is the only Southeast Asian and the most Western looking. Their brand ambassadorships and styling help to define them too. Jisoo is clean and feminine with Dior. Jennie is classic French cool girl chic with Chanel. Rose matches the YSL sleek minimalism, a little avant-garde and rebellious. Lisa used to be more tomboyish and effortless with Celine but now with LV is very extravagant and bold.
So to summarize
1. 3/4 have English fluency
2. Teddy Park
3. All adults at debut (can curse and do mature concepts which is important for rap/hip hop)
4. Small group and easy names
5. Clear group roles
6. Unique identities
7. Visually distinct with different styling
Babymonster can't change 1 (too busy to learn English), 2, 4, or 5. They might get more popular after they're all legal and their concepts aren't limited. For now, all they can do is work with new producers, try going on more variety shows which might help with 6, or change up their styling and hair so casual listeners can tell them apart better.
Terrible, terrible launch songs
Toddler group at launch. And sorry, having a large number of children as members really does drive away a large chunk of audience
Too large a group. 4-5 is the best group size, especially if you want Western audience share. Too large a group, especially combined with very young ages, really gives off "manufactured group" vibes rather than "authentic" vibes.
The "New Coke" effect. Yeah, yeah, Baemon wasn't supposed to be a Blackpink replacement, but given the Blackpink contract questions around the time Baemon was drip marketing and then debuting, there really was this element of "Why should Blinks care what happens with Blackpink, you have Babymonster now". This came from non fans, even some Blinks themselves and even some media trying to hype BM as "the successors of Blackpink". Much like the whole New Coke trying to replace Coke in the 80's. This immediately soured some Blinks away from endorsing or even giving a rats arse about Babymonster.
Also, one of the dumbest girl group member names in kpop history.
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To answer the question, many thing from song quality to group cohesion, but BABYMONSTER is at least the most talented girl group to be debuted by YG. That's gotta count for something.
As other have said, it's a bit of timing. When Blackpink debuted 2NE1 was over and out of the picture. Babymonster still have BP "active" and hovering in the background so you don't have the same natural transaction of fans from 2NE1 to BP with BP to BM. So you have both the fans and YGE split between the two groups. BP also debuted when the 2nd generations was more or less gone or the groups was not so active anymore. BM have groups like NJ (or had), Aespa, etc. that are active and popular to go up agianst. So it's more competion and in general a harder enviroment for BM.
But it's also easier to get know a 4 member group than a +6 member group, both 2NE1 and BP was easy to learn who is who and their names. I stil can't point out one member in BM and tell her name in a group photo, well, maybe sometimes I can guess, but in general not. It took me a long time to learn who was who in favorite groups like T-ara also. That makes it a bit harder to get a connection to a group when you don't feel you knew the members.
Still, I like the style of music BM have had this far, all songs are not good, but if they do more songs like "Forever" I'm happy. But my fear is that they instead will do more songs like the late BP and "Sheesh" and they will only be a group of wasted potential doing boring songs.
the reason is their songs. whistle is one of best song of bp and tbh ı think one hit song can a be big chanxe to grow as a group. Also the conditions of that time were very favorable for K-pop groups to shine in the West, and the ones who took the best advantage of it were BP and BTS. Right now, there are too many groups, and the K-pop impact is in a stagnation period.
I think you got a good point here.
There had always been Kpop fans beyond Asia, especially since Gen 2, but that was way more a niche thing. Around 2017-2018, the global door was kicked open wide. Several groups debuting from the start of Gen 4 jumped into that, with Stray Kids being the leader of the BGs, I'd say. However, there was not a winner take (almost) all situation like there was with BP and BTS kicking open that door really wide. There is too much competition from groups that can also fill pretty large venues in the West. Competition between Gen 4 and Gen 5 GGs is even stronger in my view. I know people call it 5th gen now, but 4th gen never really took over domination from 3rd gen as their two biggest groups are still there and expected to be active again. So all these Gen 4 and Gen 5 groups are competing hard with each other and we can't even call a clear top 3 of Gen 4, even though we're already in Gen 5 now. For me, it's like Gen 4 is still gaining steam, but then we already have a Gen 5.
This while it was pretty clear who the top groups were in Gen 3 and before, when the Gen had not finished.
It's a bit of a weird situation that both the biggest GG and the biggest BG of a previous gen still remain biggest two gens later. That never happened before. One other advantage BP and BTS have now is that their fans grew up with them and often stayed loyal. A large part of the fandom is working instead of at school, which means spending money on their faves is now not a big deal for many of them. This while Gen 4 and Gen 5 fans tend to be younger and having to save up from their allowance to buy an album, for instance.
So though the global pie became much bigger, it's being cut up into way more pieces than it used to be, with two from an earlier gen still holding a large piece of the pie.
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bartkun, as AKP's expert on these matters, is this true?
Imo if I’m being honest….
BM have a terrible name! This might be petty but I can never follow a group called Baby Monsters 
It’s one of the worse names I’ve ever heard and kpop groups have had a lot of bad names over the gens. I can’t get over the fact they actually called them Baby monsters 
Name aside 
BM feel very unoriginal 
nothing they’ve released screams unique or new! It’s all the same stuff YG have been doing for the past 10+ years!
It’s fine if they want to cater towards the YG fandom which is what’s happening but to draw in new fans they can’t have another repeat of the same concept with a larger group I think the members are fine but nothing they’ve released so far feels original or exciting! And to make things worse Blackpink did it better imo and are still very active! So people naturally would stick with BP.
YG originally said they want to release a larger group to follow in the footsteps of Snsd and Twice but it feels like they had cold feet and played it safe releasing concepts songs they were already used to 
bartkun, as AKP's expert on these matters, is this true?
as there is plenty of underage members in Babymonster
I won talk about itttt
and as for BP well it's not like they have Jihyo, Jeewon, Eunbi, Chowon, Karina, etc...
also the question was what does Blackpink have that Babymonster doesn't
the answer is simple and short:
FAME
People mentioning their ages but didn’t Snsd and Twice both debut at very young ages
Imo why would people Stan BM if BP does what they do better and have been for years YGE should never have given them the same concept!
They need to appeal to different people but it feels like YGE just wanted Blinks to jump ship to BM.
Don't forget about Yel. 
there isn't any other option!
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Good point.
BP have one of the best name + fandom name combinations in Kpop.
"Baby Monster" might sound cool in some countries (can't judge), but anyone above a certain age wouldn't normally want to say they stan a group called Baby Monster in most Western countries, I think.
Almost anything else would have been better.
And yes, I think YG did want Blinks to jump ship. Just like he wanted 2NE1 fans to move to BP.
i saw some YT vid from a local diehard YGE stans, they said that the new groups don't have that classic YG SWAG anymore and i kinda agree.
Nor treasure or BM have that in them, that's why they are not unique like their predecessor. They may sing better, dance better, rap better but the classic YG SWAG ain't there. Both of em feels like SME/JYPE group that debuted on YGE.
When you watch the old YG groups from BigBang till BP, you can easily pinpoint that they are YGE from the way they carry themselves.
It's crazy how people compare them to BLACKPINK when, up until now, no girl group has ever been like BLACKPINK. If BLACKPINK were that easy to replicate, there would already be tons of "biggest girl groups" out there. Aren't they doing exceptionally well compared to their peers from the same generation? Why isn't anyone asking how a group with so many members, whose music is supposedly bad, outdated, lacks aura, and has no YG swag (according to what people here are saying), is still leading the 5th generation?
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