the only girl group out there that are truly committed and have passion with music..

I agree. I'm quite taken with Twice now and they have become my new favourite group. They are the only girl group imo that is putting out consistent content with both songs and albums. Twice might have been around a while, but they still have good music and shouldn't be underestimated.

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and we all know that this hectic schedule is THEIR OWN CHOICE and Nayeon said herself that she enjoyed working (despite how ONCEs keep criticizing JYP for overworking and milking their money)

and yet didn't jeongyeon go on vlive and say they were being overworked at one point in time?

Twice and their team has a synergy I think a lot of groups just don't have. They didn't always get it right starting but how they've both progressed is impressive and why longevity in K-Pop is important. Speaking of catalogs, Twice and Day6 practically are the JYP catalog!

what makes you think other don't? blackpink definitely has a passion for music you can tell how happy they are touring and interacting with the crowd

koreans will laugh at you if you tell this to them.

I love Twice but saying that their passion for music is bigger than Mamamoo.

Yes I can see Twice and BTS as the kpop groups that are consistently show their love and passion for music, performing and their fans. And that’s why they are the most beloved acts IMO. Both groups are genuine, talented and so freaking relatable since day one. Their group dynamics are beautiful too.

They're not the only ones but yes they truly love what they do, and definitely not given due credit a lot of the time

Dreamcatcher is still going strong. They've been through a lot from their early years with rebranding to now. I think the members genuinely enjoy and love what they do and I hope that they continue to find success.

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too early to tell..

putting Soyeon aside, Yuqi and Minnie have a bunch of songs that haven't been released (thanks to cube). Yuqi's solo is really good and she helps Miyeon's debut album.

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all idol definitely have passion for music thats why they choose to become a singer but im looking at the long term, considering how twice in a position where they can venture to other field but they choose to stay with musical content knowing that its not well received compared to their peak day is showing how interested they are with music IMO

yeah initially was going to disagree but you're right, they've been doing this for so long and so frequently that it's impressive

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all idol definitely have passion for music thats why they choose to become a singer but im looking at the long term, considering how twice in a position where they can venture to other field but they choose to stay with musical content knowing that its not well received compared to their peak day is showing how interested they are with music IMO

ok I get what you mean but I think you should have explained it better in your op

I thought you implied other girl groups lacked passion

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truly committed to music for doing the exact same thing than all the otheer kpop groups are doing ? '-'

i can name more than 10 years who check all the criteria you just said

name all 10 years

Passion for being an idol maybe. But I won’t call it a passion for music.

I think It isn't easy to measure passion for music

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I think It isn't easy to measure passion for music

yes it is, the higher the high note the more the Passion(tm)

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yes it is, the higher the high note the more the Passion(tm)

This is passion for singing instead of passion for music

Surely they are the bosses at jyp and decide when to release music, that's the reason why they have 5 comebacks in a year and nothing to do with jyp milking its biggest group and overworking them.

With more dark side of kpop industry comes to light recently, they most certainly make idol looked like a fun and enjoyable job. Their production rate in 2021, a six-years old Twice for example defies trend.

how many songs did kpop groups release in 2021 on average? and other stats

pretty much just the title! i looked at 90 kpop groups who released music in 2021 (45 boy and girl groups each) and counted how many unique/new...

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I love Twice but i disagree, idk why we are acting like they are not managed by a company that decides when they come back, it has nothing to do with passion, also there are girl groups that have been around longer than that and they were still releasing music, and i am sure a lot of twice members would have loved to branch out and do other things while releasing music but maybe less come backs but they couldn't decide that, then we have other girl groups that could be super pasionate about music but they are nugus and end up not having many comebacks or disbanding before 7 years which again has nothing to do with passion

Dreamcatcher.

But, I think in such a manufactured industry such as kpop, guided and controlled very much by labels and companies who micromanage a group (and its members) image, sound, concept, look, behaviour and feel, it's hard, it's hard to say where a group/idols real passion truly begins.

I dunno, I'd expect someone who is TRULY passionate about music to feel too confined and constrained working under a label in the kpop industry, ceding so much control over themselves and their music.

gtfo thats huge bullshit

I dont know about the only group but Nayeons definitely expressed how much she enjoys working.

People only also needs to stop with the overworked narrative. Idoling is not on the top of the list of hardest jobs, only kids who never worked a real job in their life pushes this.

But yes, Twice definitely have passion for their work. If they didn't, they would not renew for that long. If they didn't, they wouldn't put that much effort into improving their craft, the account of effort they have put into improving their vocals, the difference is night and day. If they didn't, they wouldn't continuing provide fans with content that provides little benefits financially.

It's understandable for new groups who have to build a fanbase keep pushing in order to build a future later, but Twice is well established by now and if there's something they really don't give a crap about anymore and don't want to do, it be phased on in the renewal contract.

are you saying this because they are overworked?

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Yes I can see Twice and BTS as the kpop groups that are consistently show their love and passion for music, performing and their fans. And that’s why they are the most beloved acts IMO. Both groups are genuine, talented and so freaking relatable since day one. Their group dynamics are beautiful too.

that is true & im speaking here not as an ARMY or ONCE but truly

that is what attracted me to them; both are groups who give it their all and are close

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all idol definitely have passion for music thats why they choose to become a singer but im looking at the long term, considering how twice in a position where they can venture to other field but they choose to stay with musical content knowing that its not well received compared to their peak day is showing how interested they are with music IMO

That’s a very rose tinted glasses way to look at it and pretty naive.

Why would they care about reception of their music when money is going to be the primary driver. Idols have a short shelf life, there’s definitely no guarantee all Twice members will be successful in solo endeavours to continuing to make good money. It’s also about ambition and confidence in solo work.

2nd gen went solo because groups didn’t make much money as gg sales weren’t high and they didn’t tour well either. Whereas South Korea as a domestic market was a lot more favourable to idols entering entertainment be it TV or film at that point.

They've gotten a bit lazy though...gone are the days of 6 comebacks a year.

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and yet didn't jeongyeon go on vlive and say they were being overworked at one point in time?

They definitely have been overworked at some periods of time, however that is not what she said (if you are talking about the one vlive where she was crying). They were preparing the Yes or Yes comeback and she had suggested that they should film a performance video on the set. They tried to do it but they were very tired, and Jeongyeon felt so bad about suggesting it that she even bought necklaces to the members as an apology. She cried talking about it because she genuinely felt bad. But the members weren't holding this against her

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That’s a very rose tinted glasses way to look at it and pretty naive.

Why would they care about reception of their music when money is going to be the primary driver. Idols have a short shelf life, there’s definitely no guarantee all Twice members will be successful in solo endeavours to continuing to make good money. It’s also about ambition and confidence in solo work.

2nd gen went solo because groups didn’t make much money as gg sales weren’t high and they didn’t tour well either. Whereas South Korea as a domestic market was a lot more favourable to idols entering entertainment be it TV or film at that point.

So you're saying that Twice continue as a group because they will not make enough money to live the rest of their life if they go solo ?

#TwiceArePoorNarrative2023 ...

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So you're saying that Twice continue as a group because they will not make enough money to live the rest of their life if they go solo ?

#TwiceArePoorNarrative2023 ...

This might shock you, but rich people don’t lead the same lives as us, there’s a certain standard of living they most likely want to adhere to, properties they need to pay off etc

I’m saying it’s risky going solo for 95% of acts and the earning potential and safety net won’t be the same as a group where a fandom is established.

2nd gen had a lot of members go solo compared to the 3rd but I’d be hard pressed to say it’s because the 3rd gen are more passionate about music, they were just forced to diversify more in the 2nd gen due to market conditions. Do you think it’s a coincidence so many 3rd gen groups are beating the 7 year curse when touring and sales are getting bigger for so many, including older groups

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are you saying this because they are overworked?

It’s not 2018 anymore pack it up.

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So you're saying that Twice continue as a group because they will not make enough money to live the rest of their life if they go solo ?

#TwiceArePoorNarrative2023 ...

Not to mention the many other avenues besides group or solo musical/acting career that would make as much or more with significantly less effort. They could film five second KFC ads a couple times a year if they just wanted to maximize their buck. (Japan's thriving KFC culture is actually very interesting and I hope J-line can do it one day lmao )

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This might shock you, but rich people don’t lead the same lives as us, there’s a certain standard of living they most likely want to adhere to, properties they need to pay off etc

I’m saying it’s risky going solo for 95% of acts and the earning potential and safety net won’t be the same as a group where a fandom is established.

2nd gen had a lot of members go solo compared to the 3rd but I’d be hard pressed to say it’s because the 3rd gen are more passionate about music, they were just forced to diversify more in the 2nd gen due to market conditions. Do you think it’s a coincidence so many 3rd gen groups are beating the 7 year curse when touring and sales are getting bigger for so many, including older groups

They don't pay off properties they buy it with cash but yeah your wording made me think you were saying Twice members would be out of money if they go solo. I agree with the second part

Mmmm, ok. Please, remind that this user is not an once, i evrn can say she is a hater. Bye

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They definitely have been overworked at some periods of time, however that is not what she said (if you are talking about the one vlive where she was crying). They were preparing the Yes or Yes comeback and she had suggested that they should film a performance video on the set. They tried to do it but they were very tired, and Jeongyeon felt so bad about suggesting it that she even bought necklaces to the members as an apology. She cried talking about it because she genuinely felt bad. But the members weren't holding this against her

interesting