Why has no girl group managed to touch Twice in Japan yet?

Niziu not doing Twice numbers in Japan? I don't keep up with the Japan market

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I meant Kpop. Niziu is J-pop with a K-pop sound.

Well I thought they was like XG and they sit on the line ya know? fully Japanese from a K company.

But that's just how I thought about it

Another example is people call Rolling Quartz a Kpop group but they are more a Kband but still classed as a Kpop group or at least mentioned in the same vain

Honestly Kara was there till their company decided to sabotage everything out of spite

4th gen leaders literally just debuted like 8 months ago or so. Twice was taking over Japan a few months after debut either.

The Japanese public still likes Twice.

what other group has a j-line?

Hope I don't see anyone say it's because they have 3 Japanese members cause Nayeon and Tzuyu are more popular than most Japanese kpop idols in Japan.

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what other group has a j-line?

Well nayeon outdid most groups despite being Korean so what now

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Kara were pretty big in Japan right? What happened?

dsp happened

National pride and all that jazz. The country don't have japanese artists as global as twice.

They have more Japanese members like 3. Why is it surprising others can’t compete.

Ofc that’s not the only reason they’re successful but it contributes.

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Multiple. Billlie, Le Sseraphim, IVE, Kep1er, Cherry Bullet, and many others have Japanese members.

neither lsf or ive have debut on japan

all the other are nugus

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what other group has a j-line?

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Multiple. Billlie, Le Sseraphim, IVE, Kep1er, Cherry Bullet, and many others have Japanese members.

Line would say multiple members.

So really only Billlie, Le Seraphim, Cherry Bullet, Kepler, ILT:1, Pink Fantasy,

Anymore?

Japan just loves Twice

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what kind a question is this? Twice literally has 3 Japanese members and multiple promotions in Japan. Of course they are one of the top group there.

Blackpink is still doing better their overall if we take to they don't have an original Japanese song or Japanese label and no Japanese member.

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Niziu not doing Twice numbers in Japan? I don't keep up with the Japan market

They dont do as impressive as their first year anymore

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what kind a question is this? Twice literally has 3 Japanese members and multiple promotions in Japan. Of course they are one of the top group there.

Blackpink is still doing better their overall if we take to they don't have an original Japanese song or Japanese label and no Japanese member.

There are plenty of 4th gen groups with Japanese members though. Other companies and JYPE take notes from Twice

Because they’re GOAT….keep In mind though it was only last year that Twice passed Kara as the greatest kpop success in Japan. People don’t realize how successful Kara was.

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There are plenty of 4th gen groups with Japanese members though. Other companies and JYPE take notes from Twice

Not 3 to be fair

There’s no point in trying to refute the fact that having multiple Japanese members greatly aided twice in being popular in Japan. Doesn’t take away from anything.

I would think if a few non Japanese members in a group is somewhat fluent in Japanese might attract Japanese fans more than a group with Japanese members these days, but there aren’t any really now. I’m sure this helped Kara along with their music over SNSD back in the day.

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They dont do as impressive as their first year anymore

Digital wise they chilled out, physicals GGs took a massive hit due to covid/streaming transition.

there strength has been they are more famous as like reality TV/group then a pure kpop GG afaik, GP they are more well known then twice/casual fans, reason for the CFs and insane ticket sales

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Not 3 to be fair

There’s no point in trying to refute the fact that having multiple Japanese members greatly aided twice in being popular in Japan. Doesn’t take away from anything.

Does the quantity of the members really matter? Twice is a 9 members group so of course they would have more

No Big 3 group has as many Japanese members, which helps immensely.

The Hallyu wave is dead in Japan. It's was pretty dead during Twice's time too in comparison to 2nd gen so Twice being as successful as they are is all the more impressive

Twice and IZ*One, the only real competitor Twice had in Japan, benefitted a lot from being the first kpop groups to really shake things up. Twice, while not the first gg to have a Japanese member, was the first to have actual Jline,which made them stand out a lot and appeal more. IZ*One being from a collaborative effort between Produce and AKB + having Sakura worked greatly to their benefit. Plus honestly they understood the assignment when it came to jpop music.

Now Jlines are somewhat normalized and Japan having it's own Produce means newer groups are gonna have to work harder.

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Digital wise they chilled out, physicals GGs took a massive hit due to covid/streaming transition.

there strength has been they are more famous as like reality TV/group then a pure kpop GG afaik, GP they are more well known then twice/casual fans, reason for the CFs and insane ticket sales

Arent we judging everything by digitals nowadays even in Korea? How is digital not equal GP in Japan?

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what other group has a j-line?

LSF might be the strongest contender purely based on members alone that AKB boost is no joke

honestly except IZONE no gg tried that heavily in japan. IZONE could have broken many twice records but I guess the akb affiliation is kind of cheating lol

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Does the quantity of the members really matter? Twice is a 9 members group so of course they would have more

Ofc it does.

I don’t think Twice success in Japan is so easy to surpass. “it’s a matter of time” doesn’t work here

I mean it took BTS with dynamite to finally surpass Twice popularity in Japan and Twice held most of the kpop records there before this happened.

Why are people saying jline is the biggest reason? I am not saying they didn't help but it's not the biggest reason. Kara iirc was the biggest 2nd gen gg in Japan and had no Japanese members.

Their music really clicked when TT organically got big there. And JYP also kept giving content for the fans

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Just like how no kpop GG is able to touch BP on international ground. There is no answer to it.

This is a combined result of many factors over the years. Sooner or later, a newer group WILL BE ABLE to overtake both of them in Japan and Intertional

Edit: some of the factors i think contributed to Twice's dominance in Japan

1) A proper J-line (>2 members)

2) The cutesy concept at the start

3) Heavy focus and promotion in Japan. Remember they were alternating Korean and Japanese comeback in first few years which resulted in them being overworked. But the effect is the strategy did wonders for them

I can tell you what it is not... its not because there are Japanese members.

People put unrealistic emphasizing on nationality.

This is music... if we're talking sales and streams, aint nobody going to spend their hard earned money buying albums from a group they don't like or waste 3 minutes of their lives to stream a song they don't like just for the sake if national pride.

I'm Chinese and I can tell you I won't stan a group just because there's a Chinese member and I certainly won't buy an album or stream a song for the same reason. If I'm going to spend my hard earned bucks and my the limited amount of time I have, I better like

the group for reasons other than nationality.

Let's also not forget that Nayeons Pop! peaked higher and it's currently doing better than Celebrate. TTT is also doing better and peaked higher than Celebrate, their Japanese track.

I didn't know there were Onces that denied Jlines impact this much

Foreign members bring in foreign fans, that's just a fact. I don't really understand why Onces fight against it so hard when it's not a bad thing. EXO and Super Junior benefitted from having EXO-M and Super Junior-M, Blackpink benefits from Lisa, Idle from Shuhua and Yuqi etc.

On a much more simple basis, in an industry where parasocial fan engagement is key to have a lineup that appeals to as many different fans as possible? Fans want to have similarities to their idols and similarities in culture/language that wouldn't normally be there are huge bonuses. It could make a foreign fan who wouldn't be normally be into kpop reconsider, get into the group and wind up a fan of all of them. My first ever group I fell in love with was Soshi and Jeti were the main ones that made stanning SNSD possible.The more I got into it, my favorite members changed pretty drastically. Even now my favorite idols are usually the Americans or English speakers of the group.

I don't think it's a bad thing nor does it lesson Twice's achievements in anyway. Of course thrice will say "they're only popular because they have Japanese members" which is objectively untrue but it is an undeniable huge advantage. It got eyes on them but it doesn't change the fact that Twice had to work their asses off to keep them there. Twice literally changed the game and paved the way for Japanese idols in kpop so much so that FNC modelled Cherry Bullet (OG 7K3J1T) after Twice, that's amazing if you ask me

Wasn't SNSD also kinda popular in Japan at one point

//I'm saying this because I remember a japanese youtuber unboxing an SNSD album lmao