Best selling albums of 2024 first half and biggest sales drops after the fraudulent era

"Top 10 best selling albums of 2023 until june:"

Do you mean 2024?

Pretty obvious who is using, fake it until you make it.

Everyone there got a drop though. I mean the top 5 majorly. So they all did fraud then???

You and your fraudulent threads. Sigh....

why you gotta do itzy like that

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So let's be clear, yes 100% there was a period of fraudulent sales on kpop

I agree that there's been a noticeable reduction in physical sales, but I don't think we can attribute all of that decline to fraud or the lack thereof. In my "Peak Physical Sales" thread, I proposed a number of reasons for the decrease:

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• People having less disposable income due to inflation and cost of living increases.

• With COVID-19 out of the picture, touring is back, and fans would rather spend their money on concerts.

• General over-saturation of the K-pop market.

• Decreased sales in China due to a stagnating Chinese economy.
• Decreased sales in China due to C-bars boycotting or not being able to secure discounts.
• Decreased sales in China due to the CCP clamping down on bulk-buying and K-pop overall.
• Entertainment companies re-thinking their strategy of "over-shipping".

The only reason I would consider related to "fraud" is the last one.

Ive is the most organic of the list. From rags to riches

Posting this too cause it's lovely to see the slow but steady growth

SM isn't doing enough Payola

We need LSM back!

coincidentally, drama and armaggeddon are two albums that i have (not purposely) only one version for each album. i have multiple versions for each album before drama (savage album complete version, spicy 4+ versions, girls 4+ versions). i don't know what happened before drama album released (Kakao took over as their distributor), but now the pricing for aespa's latest albums is higher 30% to 60%.

my theory based on what I see from aespa's album sale:

it's harder for fans in other countries to buy kpop albums. there were so many changes that contribute to this, like import tax got changed by government (Indonesia did), kpop album sellers changed their policies, kpop album distribution policy got changed by government (probably China), company changed distributor, higher currency exchange rate, etc.

groups who can survive sales drops are probably the ones who have strong sales in South Korea and not rely to much on other countries (e.g. China)

Yall are way too comfortable throwing the term fraud around, same with payola. There is never any concrete evidence, only circumstantial. I don't even stan any of these groups, so this is an unbiased opinion.

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Wait why did IVE drop if in 2023 is 1.5mil vs 1.6mil in 2024?

Maybe I don't understand the numbers

now now lets not get technical here, look at the big picture

Ladies and gentlemen,

This has been a rankpoopstain production.

You should use Hanteo numbers and also tell us the number of versions.

Happy days are over, the sad days have arrived.

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coincidentally, drama and armaggeddon are two albums that i have (not purposely) only one version for each album. i have multiple versions for each album before drama (savage album complete version, spicy 4+ versions, girls 4+ versions). i don't know what happened before drama album released (Kakao took over as their distributor), but now the pricing for aespa's latest albums is higher 30% to 60%.

my theory based on what I see from aespa's album sale:

it's harder for fans in other countries to buy kpop albums. there were so many changes that contribute to this, like import tax got changed by government (Indonesia did), kpop album sellers changed their policies, kpop album distribution policy got changed by government (probably China), company changed distributor, higher currency exchange rate, etc.

groups who can survive sales drops are probably the ones who have strong sales in South Korea and not rely to much on other countries (e.g. China)

The biggest reason for Aespa is the C-Bar boycotts. My World had about 700-800k albums bought from them. Take that off and Drama and Armageddon are in line with their usual numbers.

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Ive is the most organic of the list. From rags to riches

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I just heard some of their newest songs and I was blown away. (I am still doing catch-up with a lot of 4th gen groups music).

Very good songs!

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The biggest reason for Aespa is the C-Bar boycotts. My World had about 700-800k albums bought from them. Take that off and Drama and Armageddon are in line with their usual numbers.

Why tf are the boycotting? Is it because of Karina dating?

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Ive is the most organic of the list. From rags to riches

How is debuting with 56k sales and having 2 very famous ex-izone members "rags".

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How is debuting with 56k sales and having 2 very famous ex-izone members "rags".

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The actual most organic from the list is gidle, went from 200 sales to almost 2 million sales without experiencing any decline

Even with the crash back down to reality, these album sales are extremely impressive. No Western act can sell 1M physical albums except Taylor these days, right? Every US label would kill for 15 million in guaranteed gross revenue from 1M album sales every six months.

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Why tf are the boycotting? Is it because of Karina dating?

Nah it was before that. Something about not happy with photocards or something during Drama. At that point Karina bar boycotted, and said they would only support solo stuff.

Not sure whether dating was an issue. Then recently they were going to have a concert in Japan on some date that was an issue for the Chinese due to what happened in WW2 between the countries. They did postpone the concert in the end, but people just jump on everything so quickly these days.

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How is debuting with 56k sales and having 2 very famous ex-izone members "rags".

If you bothered to take a look at the number other top ggs that debuted around the same time did initially compared to Ive you would know. Out of the top ggs they went from making the least impressive numbers to the biggest (certified by ifpi chart) in a steady growth. Also,if you want to insist on izone privilege as if that's the main reason ive are best sellers you do you. It's still a fact that said ex-izone members are much bigger and popular names after debuting in ive.

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The actual most organic from the list is gidle, went from 200 sales to almost 2 million sales without experiencing any decline

G Idle debuted in a time that selling even 50k at debut was impossible for girlgroups, even less from mid companies. 6 years ago not even twice nor bp was selling 1m per album

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G Idle debuted in a time that selling even 50k at debut was impossible for girlgroups, even less from mid companies. 6 years ago not even twice nor bp was selling 1m per album

So u agree gidle is more organic than ive?

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So u agree gidle is more organic than ive?

I said that g idle selling 200 in its 1st day is a normal number for a gg from midsize company at the time they debuted. Out of the ggs who debuted at the same time as Ive even kep1er had 3x the of numbers Ive did.

So no, I disagree. IVE numbers is from 2022 and G idle numbers are from 2017 so thats a fallacious comparison.

G idle sold relatively well for that period, they sold 58k in the 1st month. Loona, who were the most hyped gg from midsize company at the time, sold 68k; fromis9 sold 21k. I*zone was an anomaly in sales 34k in the 1st day because they came from the most popular survival show at the time.

I*zone's last release before disbandment sold 190k in its 1st day. As you can see that's almost 4x more than IVE sold in its first day.

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I said that g idle selling 200 in its 1st day is a normal number for a gg from midsize company at the time they debuted. Out of the ggs who debuted at the same time as Ive even kep1er had 3x the of numbers Ive did.

So no, I disagree. IVE numbers is from 2022 and G idle numbers are from 2017 so thats a fallacious comparison.

G idle sold relatively well for that period, they sold 58k in the 1st month. Loona, who were the most hyped gg from midsize company at the time, sold 68k; fromis9 sold 21k. I*zone was an anomaly in sales 34k in the 1st day because they came from the most popular survival show at the time.

I*zone's last release before disbandment sold 190k in its 1st day. As you can see that's almost 4x more than IVE sold in its first day.

Saying ive's growth is more organic than gidle's is like saying earth is flat, a blatantly false statement.

During the Covid period, everyone bought kpop albums. I don't think just because one of their albums sells well doesn't mean that their other albums will sell at the same rate.

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Saying ive's growth is more organic than gidle's is like saying earth is flat, a blatantly false statement.

Fortunately your opinion has zero impact on mine

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Fortunately your opinion has zero impact on mine

My opinion is an opinion but a fact

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If you bothered to take a look at the number other top ggs that debuted around the same time did initially compared to Ive you would know. Out of the top ggs they went from making the least impressive numbers to the biggest (certified by ifpi chart) in a steady growth. Also,if you want to insist on izone privilege as if that's the main reason ive are best sellers you do you. It's still a fact that said ex-izone members are much bigger and popular names after debuting in ive.

I never doubted that Ive are not bigger then they were in Izone days.

I disputed the 'rags'. They started on a very, very significant leg up. Rags are stories like Mamamoo, (G)I-DLE, where they sell almost nothing the first album and grow from there to get to the top.

Izone's debut first day sales are higher then some entire groups comeback sales (Purple Kiss, Lightsum). Those are rags.

Trying to contoct some faux underground story just makes you seem desperate.

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I never doubted that Ive are not bigger then they were in Izone days.

I disputed the 'rags'. They started on a very, very significant leg up. Rags are stories like Mamamoo, (G)I-DLE, where they sell almost nothing the first album and grow from there to get to the top.

Izone's debut first day sales are higher then some entire groups comeback sales (Purple Kiss, Lightsum). Those are rags.

Trying to contoct some faux underground story just makes you seem desperate.

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Idgaf if you think g idle and mmm are the true rags to riches story,even gfriend could be. i am comparing ive to the peers that debuted around the same time as them, and if you weren't obtuse you would notice that even kep1er and nmixx made much bigger initial sales.

If IVE had Izone privilege, then most of it went to le sserafim who did double of Ive numbers in their 1st month debut sales.

SM over shipped for everyone other than EXO I won’t forgive them 👩‍🦯👩‍🦯👩‍🦯👩‍🦯👩‍🦯👩‍🦯