Posts by thelightoftruth
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Solo activities and perceived mistreatment of your faves.
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Trying to say NJ is 5 superstar idols and say it was all them instead of 250 and MHJ is the cleanest, purest, most distilled copium I've ever seen.
The earth could have centuries of free energy from the spinning required to create some of these narratives.
Talking about idols wanting people to audition and being child stars. Wasn't there someone from Stayc who was a child star? Half the ex-yg trainees had their pick of the companies back in the day (and chose poorly). There's plenty of idols up and down the success line who share a similar lineage to the NJ girls.
Wonder what makes them different
Display MoreThe delusion, the affront, the insult!
mhj casted them, chose them, trained them, educates them still, she basically is the mastermind behind the whole NJ project and that could have been anyone?? lol
first and foremost, there would have been no illit as such whatsoeve because bang was against that direction. the best hybe could have get is ssera typa sucess, normally.
you can clearly see that with similar ressources, they had very different impact and level of sucess. Cmon
secondely lets say, by some miracle, bang actually decided to debut this cute quirky kinda gg and he took in some of the nj members, the best they could have done is super real me... which is ok but nothing ground breaking or even remotly memorable or distinctive really.
that record overall sounds like something Red Velvet would have released 6 years ago, like Russian Roulette EP downgraded mixed with some pinkpantheress influences, souless version. it's nothing like what NJ/Ador/MHJ are offering music and quality wise.
bang mostly seems to only know how to follow and reheat trends, mhj on ther other side IS the trendsetter
. She made the group that the whole industry is either copying or getting inspired by not bang.SHE got the amazing critical acclaim with Get Up ep, nobody else in kpop ever got that level of musical recognition.
for real music lovers, what Get Up achieved is far superior to what JK 1st album/Seven did.
With the proper push, they could have very likely get nominated for the grammies and maybe even won. (even Rolling stones predicted their nomination)
If you can't understand that much, then there's not much left to discuss about really
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You must have me confused for that one MHJ stan
As long as MHJ continues to take good care of them and guide them well, which she has done better than any CEO I've seen, I have no issues with her. She even lets their parents attend some of their schedules.
Good on her for looking after the girls though, other companies need to take note.
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it's the most incoherent thing i ever read tbh
they might be 5 superstar now that mhj train them and teach them how to perform, behave as an idol and literally shaped them to be this "superstar"
if there was no mhj or her team this 5 girl that you are calling superstar would just be 5 random high school girl
maybe they had the visual and the raw talent but without mhj to shape their raw talent they would just be stone not diamond
true and not true
true that mhj really put a dark cloud on their head especially being so much link to her name and her shady behaviour
but being link to mhj name also bring a lot of good stuff to the girl nobody would have give so much initial reaction to a girlgroup who debuted without any teaser
a lot of the initial interest NJ had at their debut was because they were the girl group that MHJ created
for months there was article on koreans forum about koreans being curious to see what mhj gg would look like after her work for fx and red velvet
i hate MHJ but trying to deny the work and impact she had on nj success is delusional
Lmao. Anyone could have trained them and they'd be fine. They have enough talent.
Being a MHJ group gave them some initial buzz, it's true, but with or without her they are still a Hybe group and would have been as successful.
Look at Illit and LSF. Straight up some of the biggest debuts ever with huge stats. Illit already has 12 mill Spotify listeners. That's Hybe power. The MHJ factor pales in comparison.
NJ are more popular now then they were at debut, and this is despite the whole pedo claim and ETA terrorism sagas. Those were completely to do with MHJ.
The girls themselves have had no major controversies.
NJ fans are there for the girls, not MJH. Except for Yama maybe.
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I mean, you literally contradicted yourself in the same sentence but okay.....
Min Hee Jin is a bum, she should kiss the ground the girls walk on tbh.
She lucked into getting 5 superstar idols in the same group. All 5 have It girl potential, they're totally underrated when it comes to how talented they are, and they might be the most visual group in kpop from purely facial aesthetics. Not to mention they absolutely deliver every time, performance wise, vocally, dance, you name it.
Every knock they've ever had has been due to MHJ. NJ would be even bigger without her reputation holding them back. She single-handedly inspires clowns to manufacture hate towards NJ.
Honestly you could just replace her with any producer and they'd probably be better off. I mean she's talented for sure, but she pretty much just whipped out a re-tread of early Shinee, Fx, MILK, RV vibes, without the incompetency of SM's debut strats.
Well, I guess if you aren't going to thanks BTS, then you a t least need to thank Hanni, Haerin, Dani, Minji and Hyein first!
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I mean, one of us just lives in the real world, while the other lives in a fairytale lol. You are never gonna get every human in the world to be nice to eachother. If you think you can, maybe you are the mentally ill one
idealism vs realism
We should be trying to control things we can, and ignore things we can’t. The girls should have support system and support from their company, because stopping all hate comments is impossible.
Lmao, more like pessimism vs realism. No reason why effort can't be made to change for the better.
If you think sticking your head in the sand is the best way though, good for you I guess.
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First it was the constant concern trolling and hyper fixation on NewJeans' ages, which mattered until it apparently didn't. Which just happened to be when it became clear they were taking over K-Pop.
Then once Le Sserafim had their first certified huge hit song in Perfect Night, they suddenly went from crowd favorite and best performers of the 4th generation to the worst idols to ever step foot on stage. A hate train that has lasted for about a month.
ILLIT topped both groups by garnering the ire of these people before their first performance, for having the audacity of attending a fashion show.
There has been an obvious hate campaign targeted at these three groups from an equally obvious demographic of fans, who are terrified of Hybe snatching all the privilege and dominance they took for granted.
The funny thing? None of this worked. All three groups are killing it. And all this whining by entitled and spoiled fans is just too pathetic.
Hybe aren't ruining K-Pop. The other companies need to step the hell up. They're publicly traded, have literal millions at their disposal and decades of industry connections.
SM need to figure out their disastrous internal corporate structure and slave contracts that has seen their legacy acts and idols leaving one by one. Hard to have a consistent vision when a new chapter of Game of Thrones plays out every quarter at the executive level.
YG needs to realize it's not 2009 any more. Actually, YG himself needs to go away and hire people who actually know how to read and capitalize on the current industry trends.
JYP need to fix a lot, if they want to return to being the digital powerhouse they were in 2nd and 3rd gen. But the man himself went on national television and said he's content with being "second place" behind Hybe, so don't expect any ambitious business plans any time soon.
This is a skill issue from the other big labels, not a Hybe issue. What, do you expect Hybe's executives to meet and go "You know what? Our business strategies have been TOO effective. We should really dial it back so all our competitors have a fair shot at maximizing their profits at the expense of our own"
Okay, YamaRant done.
That's a lot of typing when you could have just said thanks BTS.
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You might be one of the few here to understand this. I added this in honor:
My fave meme of all time. Also, great points all around :)
People "being an ass" will never change. If one can't handle it, then they should seriously consider a different profession. You can call out shitty behavior until your last breath and it won't change a thing.
It's actually pretty easy to change. Just engage your brain before you type something toxic. Assuming you have some form of self-awareness.
Display MoreI think you’re misrepresenting my words. The long hours Doctors work is not ok, but every doctor who decides to take that job, knows they will probably be working long hours. Is that ok? No, but it’s part of the job and everyone knows it is, before they take the job.
That’s my point. If you choose a job, that involves you being a public figure, AND THEY KNOW, idols get hate all the time, and they STILL choose that job, then there is some expectation on their part, that sometimes in their career, they are gonna get hate. Idols have consented to that. If they do not want that, they should choose a different career. It’s that simple. Or they have to mind control the whole world to never say anything mean, which is idiotic. It is literally no preventable, unless you’re in favor of a mass-censorship regime and strong penalties for speech.
I choose a job that works 12hr shifts. I knew that before i choose the job. I also work a job where i could get hit and have ppl upset with me. Should they hit me? No. Should people get upset with me? No. But that’s the fucking job. I knew what it was and i’m happy with it because i love it.
Idols aren’t babies. They aren’t stupid. Company tell them there will be hate comments before they debut. They KNEW they would get hate. And they choose the job.
I get that you are fine with being a punching bag, but wouldn't you rather go to work and not get hit?
Why should you leave the job you love because someone else can't control themselves?
I mean, what's stopping them from not hitting you?
Oh wait, they're probably mentally ill. Like the clowns who pile hate on to idols.
In your world I guess it's okay to for service staff to be abused coz it's 'part of the job', or for your manager to take a dump on you coz that's 'just how it is'.
Imagine never wanting change for the better and being too jaded to try.
I feel for people like you, and I hope things do improve for you at point.
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People here try to use "constructive criticism" as an excuse, but it's appalling how no one seems to know what it actually is. Bullying and belittling? NOT constructive criticism.
And the ones who try to excuse/deny their own toxicity are the ones that are just the craziest to watch.
It also needs to be said that criticism on these types of platforms is not constructive in any way because it's not being sent to them. If people really want to provide constructive criticism, go email your feedback to the company.
It’s a part of the job. They aren’t the 1st group to get backlash from a performance and they won’t be the last. They can either leave the group or get therapy.
There are tons of stressful jobs out there and when people complain about their job, they either get a new one or reduce their hours. If the girls have a problem with being public figures, they need a new job. PERIOD.
This is an actual dumb take.
Being in the public eye doesn't suddenly make it okay for people to be an ass to you.
It's truly bizarre that you think it's better for a victim to get therapy rather than call out or prevent shitty behaviour.
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You know the saying: People don't change. The fact that YG gave them two crap title track with the same sound and cringe lyrics, already proved my point.
When I measured Babymonster with my favorite groups, I did that as ROOKIES, not the rookie BM with a 10 year old Mamamoo or EXID, for example. And I only compared them as a group, not their talent! HUGE difference. Those groups were already released versatile albums in their first year, but YG is nothing like that.
That's why I said, talent doesn't matter if the company doesn't want to do anything with them. If my comparison is ridiculous, we could say the same about this thread, too. KIOF is already more versatile and much different than BM. So, we can't argue which group is more talented.
Talent can develop over time, ONLY if the agency wants to develop it, and we already saw with Blackpink that YG didn't do any real training with the members. NEVER said they will do the same with Babymonster, but I think that's gonna happen. And like I said, do some research about their age, because neither of those groups I mentioned was much older than BM members now. The funny thing here is that you ignore the older members in BM, you keep talking nonsense about the youngest members.
I can take different opinions, what I can't tolerate is lazy people like you who can't read.
Maybe if you posted less inane and boring drivel that has nothing to do with the topic it might help with my lack of attention span.
Like it's a simple question, are they talented, yes or no?
For you......
Somehow you need to consider all of the below before you can answer;
- Do I like their music?
- Are they from YG?
- How does this affect Mamamoo's legacy?
- How many comebacks will they have a year?
- Have they got an official writing credit?
- What is the meaning of life?
- Did untwist my knickers first?
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Bop, toss up between this and Nobody Knows as their best song.
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She's a rigged idol who built her career by stealing someone else's. Ofcourse she wouldn't know any grace and professional courtesy
Based on your posting history you also don't know grace and courtesy.
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It's gotta be SNSD, but I voted for Aespa
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I want to hear more music from my group. One of the ways I can hear more music is they're successful = if they're successful, they have more opportunities for comebacks and better budgets. They are tapped on the shoulders for more OST's, the members have solo options. I'd expect 4 of the 5 members of my group to have solo debuts/comebacks, and that's helped in part because their group music is very successful and they generate profit.
That's all it boils down to. If you want your groups to continue on, you support them and hope for them to be very successful. That way you know they are guaranteed to continue doing what they do.
So yeah, everyone should care, at least a little. Not for bragging rights or to obsess over it, just so they can see their group do well, find more fans, and thus have a longer career.
Somewhat, for the reasons above. Doesn't have to be a chart topper every time.
Also, enough success to avoid the usual 'they flopped' narrative.
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Sorry, but how am I judgmental? Use your brain, for Christ’s sake. They literally didn't do anything to judge. That's why saying they don't have weak links is 100% BS! When they will have 30+ songs and performed LIVE at least 20 times with different dance choreos etc, we can judge their so called "weaknesses". You and other people literally saying they're the best, and they don't have weak links after ONE performance. That's just nonsense!
I'm honestly fed up with this bullshit new trend in Kpop where you can't judge a group if their members are young? Who the hell cares about their age? Like I said, age has nothing to with talent. I've seen younger than 10 years old kids singing better than ANY Kpop Idol. That's my point. Talking about their age is just a weak and lazy argument. And as I said already Mamamoo members and the other groups I mentioned, were not much older than BM members now. And for the record, this is their 5th month now. So no, they're not 2 months old rookies.
I don't care who you referred to, almost every group I mentioned are still active. I honestly don't get why is it so hard to understand that my comment was about 100% about YG and not the girls. Their talent means shit. That's why I mentioned Mamamoo. They're one of the best Kpop group. Are they mainstream? No! But let's mention other 5th gen groups, okay? KIOF, QWER or Young Posse are mainstream? All 3 groups are great, they are good singers and performers, but neither of them are mainstream. QWER is only good in Korea, KIOF is decent everywhere, and Young Posse is pretty much under the radar. So, what's your point, again?
It's not about me or if I like a song or not. It's about versatility. If YG keeps giving them the same 2 type of songs with the same lame lyrics, they can be successful like Blackpink, but no one will take them seriously. That's my other point. They can be successful, and they are talented, but if YG keep releasing crap songs, only their fandom will care about them and most of them only cares about them because they're a YG group, and they want their own BP. Like it or not, that's the fact.
If their fans follow them, because they're talented, why are they not following even more talented groups?
You should be embarrassed with how much you froth at the mouth when you type up these posts. It's amusing how you keep crying about everyone not being able to read but demonstrate minimal comprehension yourself.
You keep typing up these future scenarios in your head about how YG is going to promote them badly, and yet this has nothing to do with their talent. Yeah, your comment was 100% about YG and not the girls, what does that even have to do with the initial question the OP asked or the initial comment I made?
I'll tell you. Nothing.
So why rant and rave about the evils of YG? There's no relevance to this topic.
As for judging their talent, obviously we judge on what we've seen so far. It's not that deep mate, we don't have to know them personally and see every single thing they've done.
You don't want to judge them because they don't have enough content to judge. OK, that's your prerogative. Except because you're a hypocrite you have already judged them and decide that they don't measure up to your favourite groups.
As for the age comment, talent can be developed over time. So yeah, comparing a 14 year old to a 23 year old is really quite pointless.
Like I said, neither of you can read and don't know the difference between fair criticism and having a REAL opinion and being a HATER. What I did is having a real opinion.
You attack anyone who has a different opinion, and you're labeling them toxic, haters and jealous. Look in the mirror, honey, and stop talking nonsense.
It's time for you all to grow up, and accept that not everyone has the same biased opinion and want to live in a crazy world where you can't criticize anything, even groups that you actually like.
Lmao, another example of your hypocrisy. The one who needs to grow up and look in the mirror is you. You're the adult acting like a brat whenever someone else has a different opinion to you.
In case you haven't realised yet, you're the first person to start quoting other people and attacking them for different opinions yourself.
If you can dish it, learn to take it.
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Tldnr what she say?
Only look at good things or things that you like - Sakura
If there's something to take away, this is it.
Haters should take note. Move along if you don't like them.
