3rd gen lowkey the weakest in terms of girlgroups (I don't mean impact, read op for context)

Don't do this

Also, stop with the Mamamoo erasure. They're still around and promoting happily while still being able to tour as both a group and solo artists.

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Already did

This is a pretty frigid take. You can praise the level up that happened with 4th gen without necessary downgrading the 3rd gen. And I think you'll find that most people will heavily disagree with you

3rd gen easily cleared every girl group poll I posted here

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I acc thought mamamoo disbanded, but its great for them to still be a group

I just saw them in sold out arenas in four different cities in the U.S. last summer

They're still around!

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I'm not downgrading and I'm not praising either. I'm comparing all the ggs each gen had and yes, 3rd gen ranks only above 5th gen because 5th gen only started recently.

This is just typical generational bias. People tend to unequivocally praise the generation they grew up with and emotionally attached to and oftentimes dismiss previous and future generations.

I'm sure if you were into K-Pop during 3rd generation, you would not have this rancid opinion.

3rd gen had higher peaks. BLACKPINK and TWICE are the most comercially successful ggs of all time.

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3rd gen had higher peaks. BLACKPINK and TWICE are the most comercially successful ggs of all time.

Not for long.

Yes, I'm playing both sides.

And yes, I live a tortured K-Pop existence

blackpink, twice say hello especially thanks to blackpink is because most gg went global and are inspired by them at least marketing wise

it doesn't matter if other 3rd gen didn't achieve much but these two broke the rules you never saw girl groups doing world tours to their scale

also I groups like izone, loona are on the 3.5 transition you can argue with G idle but 4th gen started in 2019

It’s kinda true. I guess since BP & Twice are huge it’s overlooked but 4th gen seems to have a brighter future, GG are really consistent.

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Not for long.

Yes, I'm playing both sides.

And yes, I live a tortured K-Pop existence

Let me start shitting on 4th gen while praising 3rd gen so you will have to agree with Cat

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blackpink, twice say hello especially thanks to blackpink is because most gg went global and are inspired by them

it doesn't matter if other 3rd gen didn't achieve much but these two broke the rules you never saw girl groups doing world tours to their scales

also I groups like izone, loona are on the 3.5 transition you can argue with G idle but 4th gen started in 2019

Here's our first de facto nonsensical paved the way response from the user most likely to post it

As if the K-Pop industry would've collapsed if BP and Twice didn't exist. Please. The Hallyu Wave would've expanded regardless and a group would've filled the void

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Yes bp twice and rv are legendary but all the other ggs kind of faded in comparison even if they're good or popular at the time like clc, oh my girl, mamamoo, wjsn, momoland, i.o.i, pristin and gfriend

Meanwhile 2nd gen not only had snsd and 2ne1 but t-ara, kara, sistar, aoa, f(x), girl's day, apink, wonder girls, miss a, just to name a few.

4th gen had many great ggs from start like itzy, loona, everglow, g idle, I*zone, and later stayc, aespa, Ive, nmixx, lsf, newjeans, kep1er and even the smaller groups are really nice even though they got overshadowed like woo!ah!. even fifty fifty already ended but made history by making one of the bigger international hits

I think this 5th gen talk is bs but even if it's really 5th gen they're also killing it not only the most popular names like illit that debuted breaking all sorts of records and babymonster that were super hyped and are skilled af, but also groups like young posse, rescene, unis, kiss of life and geenius that barely debuted and already show big potential with great music, concept, skills, styling, mv (well at very least one of these)

so yeah when you put it in perspective I think 3rd gen really was the weakest even though they had memorable stuff

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By 2018 how many 2nd Gen GGs were still "top level"?

SNSD had a comeback in 2017 that did ok.

t-ara was back from their exile in China (They did get a music show win in 2017 after a long time)

Sistar was gone by then (went out with a #1 hit)

2NE1 had said goodbye

AoA was in some drama.

F(x) was long gone along with wonder girls, Miss A, Kara and Girls day.

Apink was still doing their thing.

EXID was still doing their thing in Japan.

But with a few exceptions and some returns (EXID, SNSD, Kara) the 2nd Generation was done by 2017.

Now let's do 3rd Gen in 2024.

BP is in a weird state. But if they do comeback, they should do well.

Twice is not charting, but still filling up stadiums around the world.

Red Velvet is still doing their thing.

Mamamoo is also in a weird state with mostly solo activities.

Dreamcatcher is still making music and touring

Oh MyGirl just like Apink is hanging around.

Who the hell knows what is going on with WJSN.

The rest on your list, yeah RIP.

We will see where the "4th Generation" is in 2029/2030.

U didn't lie. Nothing except blackpink and twice stood out in 3rd gen. The other 3rd gen ggs r just levels below them in everyway. Be it hits, Spotify, touring, physical sales.

4th gen top ggs already do everything better. Yes most of them won't end up touring like bp,twice or have that level of Spotify power but they'll do way better than the other 3rd gen ggs after the big2 like rv and mamamoo. Korean hits r already covered. Btw this is only about 5 top 4th gen ggs not others.

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Yes I already said so in op. But I am comparing all of the ggs each gen had and 3rd gen looks like the least consistent: 3 very successful ones and the rest overshadowed, while other gens had more ggs that competed for the top 3. I am not comparing the achievents but the gg scenario as a whole

in that sense I agree since blackpink and twice impact was too strong for other ggs to catch up but in terms of 3rd gen impact as a whole I would give them to them esp if we include also boy groups like exo, bts and seventeen..

but I kind of think with 4th gen it's mostly ive and nj though to some extent aespa and G idle is more in the transition gen period

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Why are you talking like I said as if these ggs disbanded? Looks like half of the ppl who replied didnt even read my post, just read the title and is ready to throw stones without taking context in consideration

"3rd gen lowkey the weakest in terms of girlgroups"

The title does now say much.

I mean, weakest, in terms of a wrestling match? in terms like a show like physical 100?

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Dude just because you disagree doesnt mean that I am wrong. You are the one with obvious bias since you stan mamamoo. I am not even downgrading 3rd gen groups I'm just stating that to me they had by far the most overshadowed girl groups. And If you disagree fine but learn to disagree without attacking someone else's opinions with shit like "rancid" or whatever. You always love to talk shit like it's in the bible and when someone disagree you attack them with words like these as if it makes you look any logical, but it's quite the opposite. You end up looking like an overemotional mess

I don't care. If you post an opinion without doing any kind of research or having any kind of nuanced understanding of the subject matter, you have to be prepared to be called ignorant for stating it.

Your reply was more overemotional than anything that could've triggered it, and you're actually one of the messiest users on this forum, and have stated how proud you are of that fact, so it has a touch of irony as well.

I disagree with you, because I think you are wrong. This is simple logic, and you don't deserve to use that word with the takes you usually post on this forum. You are literally downgrading third generation girl groups with this topic, and that's an undeniable fact, no matter how much you try to spin it otherwise.

And frankly, I don't think you have the qualifications to speak on them like that. During the third generation, the top girl groups were everywhere in K-Pop, and you would be laughed off any forum or social media platform if you tried to argue the top girl groups were overshadowed.

And yes, I talk shit because it's in my Bible. If you can't handle it, just ignore me like saltyabouturfavs does. But you always brag about wanting smoke from anyone and then cry like a baby when you get it.

False bravado havin' ass

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in that sense I agree blackpink and twice impact was too strong for other ggs to catch up but in terms of 3rd gen impact as a whole I would give them to them esp if we include also boy groups like exo, bts and seventeen

ok, if weakest means that the top was only a selected few, then that is true.

BP and Twice blocked everyone else from having their time at the top.

SNSD did the same, but 2NE1, Wonder girls and even sistar had their moments and arguments.

If we do a match up;

SNSD vs Twice

2NE1 vs BP

Wonder girls = RV

T-ara vs Gfriend

Kara vs Mamamoo

I guess 3rd Gen did not have a F(x) or a Sistar or a Kara.

Pretty sure the weakest is 4th Gen and the Strongest is 3rd

4th Gen started in 2018, at that time BTS and BlackPink were the biggest Groups in the World

5th Gen started in 2023, BTS and BlackPink were STILL the biggest Groups in the World

Meaning 4th Gen is the first Generation of Kpop to not even dominate their own Era

And 3rd Gen dominated not only their own Era but also the next generations

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ok, if weakest means that the top was only a selected few, then that is true.

BP and Twice blocked everyone else from having their time at the top.

SNSD did the same, but 2NE1, Wonder girls and even sistar had their moments and arguments.

If we do a match up;

SNSD vs Twice

2NE1 vs BP

Wonder girls = RV

T-ara vs Gfriend

Kara vs Mamamoo

I guess 3rd Gen did not have a F(x) or a Sistar or a Kara.

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I wouldn't put bp and twice equivalent to other 2nd gen ggs because they broke those records and became bigger than them unless you compare styles

3rd gen f (x) was red velvet (in terms of not being in the top 2) their sistar was the mamaoo( talented and having good digitlas) I don't know who was the kara lol

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Pretty sure the weakest is 4th Gen and the Strongest is 3rd

4th Gen started in 2018, at that time BTS and BlackPink were the biggest Groups in the World

5th Gen started in 2023, BTS and BlackPink were STILL the biggest Groups in the World

Meaning 4th Gen is the first Generation of Kpop to not even dominate their own Era

And 3rd Gen dominated not only their own Era but also the next generations

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based on the kmedia back then 4th gen started in 2019 with itzy and txt so even them G idle and stray kids are on the transition

Wow hit thread, congrats!

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If you don't care i don't care either. This is how you look btw

Keep this same energy in my next IVE thread

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Well if people read op instead of just title they would understand what I'm talking about

ok, so when you say faded, do you mean 3rd Gen groups had 2 or 3 good songs and then they just faded away? compared to 2nd gen that had steady careers while they were active?

Because that I can see.

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I wouldn't put bp and twice equivalent to other 2nd gen ggs because they broke those records and became bigger than them unless you compare styles

3rd gen f (x) was red velvet (in terms of not being in the top 2) their sistar was the mamaoo( talented and having good digitlas) I don't know who was the kara lol

For Kara, yes, I can't think of a 3rd Gen. GG that had an 'obscure' 3 years to begging their career and then they just blew up.

Oh My Girl is probably the closest to that.

EXID did, but they are 2nd Gen (I think)

I think this depends on how you group the gens.

I wouldn't put it in terms of who fades away and who doesn't though. Cause that's always going to be a lot less than who were actual players

This is how many acts had more than a single track that managed to be on the year end chart

Gen 2: Wonder Girls, SNSD, Kara, 2ne1, F(x), 4minute, BEG, Sistar, Girls Day, Secret, T-ara, AoA, Apink, After School, EXID

Gen 3: Twice, BlackPink, Red Velvet, Mamamoo, Gfriend, OMG, Brave Girls

Gen 4: New Jeans, IVE, Aespa, Le Sserafim, (G)I-dle, Itzy, StayC

If you assume gen 4 isn't over(which is how a lot of koreans see it) then Gen 4 is already at a point to do underscore a lot more names than gen 3

Here we go again, another meaningless thread about HYPE over TALENT!

Even an undead pigtail knows that TWICE and Lazypink is overhyped. Both TWICE and especially Blackpink would've been a huge flop at any other small agency. The problem with some Kpop fans is that they think numbers are everything, and they only focus on mainstream groups, but they NEVER realize the most important thing. Some of these small agency groups like Mamamoo, Oh My God, GFriend are actually way more successful, not to mention talented, because they did it at a small company. Groups like Red Velvet, TWICE and Blackpink are privileged groups, especially the latter two.

People tend to forget that most of these overhyped groups are finished after 7 years, and they have no future in the Music Industry after that. Most of them became an actor or a model, and that speaks volumes. It literally means they have no future as musicians, when small agency groups have to work 10 times harder, even tho they're more talented, and that's why they have longer career and can become producers, lyricists, composers and can do a solo career, too.

Having an opinion is one thing, but ignoring facts is another, especially if you're too lazy to do research about the groups you mentioned.

I say one thing. Mamamoo is basically the best vocal group in Kpop, there are like 2 other whom I can mention, EXID and Apink, and probably that's all. Now, give these groups plus OMG and Gfriend the same treatment that mainstream groups had, and they could destroy everyone else.

This is how you should determine a successful career, not based on stupid Spotify and Youtube numbers or charting or hype. Their companies literally paid their way to be successful. There's nothing special in that.

When I joined kpop (2016) I immediately realized 3rd gen GGs were legging behind 2nd gen GGs in some ways

BGs were clearly growing but GGs looked stucked. I started seeing it changing around 2018 but it was too late for most of 3rd gen GGs except the Big 3

I think this happened because 3rd gen GGs were all released used 2nd gen as blueprint and Korea itself was already over and saturated of 2nd gen GGs

4th gen was formulated with international audiences in mind and it worked perfectly because it injected a breath of fresh air in the market that even koreans liked

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BGs were clearly growing but GGs looked stucked. I started seeing it changing around 2018 but it was too late for most of 3rd gen GGs except the Big 3

2018 was the best year for third generation girl groups, rivaled only by 2016.

Huh?

Even I will admit the talent pool right now is deeper than it has ever been, and the talent pool was at its most shallow during third gen. That would actually be a valid point.

The Big 5 were completely unassailable during their peaks.

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2018 was the best year for third generation girl groups, rivaled only by 2016.

Huh?

Which is sintomatic because a year like 2018 would be just an standard year for idol groups during 2nd gen. You just need to take a look in any 2nd gen yearly end chart and look for idol groups used to fare much better

And that's of course beyond the point. When I say GGs are atucked you can read as "their market is not growing". From 2014 to 2017 GGs were close to irrelevant in any market besides Korea. They lost Japan, China and even their popularity in SEA collapsed compared to 2nd gen. Twice reopened Japan, and Blackpink reopened the rest of Asia as well as West, but by the time it finally happens it was already over for other girlgroups except Red Velvet

3rd gen had Twice, BP, Mamamoo, Red Velvet and Gfriend each doing their own thing

Now everyone releases 3 MVs, if a song flops they try a totally different sound like Itzy (kpoppies bad taste killed another good group)