Am I only one who think companies throw mid tier songs purposefully for older groups?

Nah, and I even made a thread about it

Practically no one releases their best songs in their first two years.

G-Idle don't compose their own songs, they only write lyrics.

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Practically no one releases their best songs in their first two years.

G-Idle don't compose their own songs, they only write lyrics.

No? They have credits in both music and lyrics.

so you're saying blackpink has been releasing mid tier songs for the past few years?

what actually happens is the older group loses fans and gp attention, so the song underperforms. And we take it as mid tier song based on that. 90% of the time this is the case. it's a negative loop. That's why big companies like hybe do payola to create a positive loop for their groups

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No? They have credits in both music and lyrics.

You are correct.

(G)I-DLE compose and produce as well as do lyrics. Soyeon has main composition credits for every single Idle Title Track, and with the exception of one has a production credit, and is usually sole lyricist.

Yuqi even has a main production credit for Polaroid from I never Die.

Not sure what the other guy is on about.

To the topic at hand, I think you struck on something.

Not everyone has to start immediately like groups like SKZ and (G)I-DLE did, but it's probably a good idea as the years go by a member or members start producing their own music or looking at doing so, so they can be more independent by the 5-6th year.

Of course a major issue could be the company blocking their songs.

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No? They have credits in both music and lyrics.

Sm does this, bighit did it with bts and txt as well. But with twice, it was opposite.

Yes. Groups get the better songs initially. Once they are established, or the growth has slowed, the better songs are saved up for the next group.

The exception is when a group can self-compose, then the song quality is not dependent on the company.

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Practically no one releases their best songs in their first two years.

G-Idle don't compose their own songs, they only write lyrics.

This is untrue.

Just look at any of their tracklists on Wikipedia. You will see that either Soyeon, Minnie or Yuqi is always credited on the composition, and is almost always the first one credited out of 2~3 composers at most.

The only exception is their very first mini album I Am where only the title track Latata has compositon credits from Soyeon.

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This is untrue.

Just look at any of their tracklists on Wikipedia. You will see that either Soyeon, Minnie or Yuqi is always credited on the composition, and is almost always the first one credited out of 2~3 composers at most.

The only exception is their very first mini album I Am where only the title track Latata has compositon credits from Soyeon.

I didn't say anything about credits.

Yes for girlgroups

For Boygroups not really. Their best songs comes from 2 to 5 years in their careers

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so you're saying blackpink has been releasing mid tier songs for the past few years?

I know this is subjective but other than pink venom I think they are releasing better songs the album and born pink have better b-sides than with their first 2 mini albums imo. Also the girls give input in their music they might not have much writing credits but they pick their songs.

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Ah, so just like the guy in the meme, you're a total crackpot conspiracy theorist.

If true, I'm scared for Nmixx jk

I feel most groups have their best songs mid career

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I know this is subjective but other than pink venom I think they are releasing better songs the album and born pink have better b-sides than with their first 2 mini albums imo. Also the girls give input in their music they might not have much writing credits but they pick their songs.

just having fun with the OP

Mago was Gfriend’s best song but their fans and gp paid it dust.

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so you're saying blackpink has been releasing mid tier songs for the past few years?

lsg and rose solo was fine. but after that it was mid tier. jisoo deserved better.

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lsg and rose solo was fine. but after that it was mid tier. jisoo deserved better.

When was your last earcheck?

I tend to agree. Sometimes they care for longer than 2 years, but it's sad when the company obviously stops giving groups the same quality they once did. They haven't given SHINee or red velvet something I feel they deserve in years, but they keep them on just to make whatever quick buck they can. I don't totally understand it though, because often the different groups have different styles. Like I can't imagine Aespa getting a red velvet style song anyways, so why not just invest a lot into both? This is why some fans get upset when a new group debuts. There should be enough resources to go around though..

EXO delivered from day 1 to now so maybe this only affects some groups not all.

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When was your last earcheck?

i have my standards. dont try to drag me down on ur level.

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i have my standarts. dont try to drag me down on ur level.

What is standart?

A candy brand?

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What is standart?

A candy brand?

sry standard then.

there was like 4 bobs this year and flower aint one of them.

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sry standard then.

there was like 4 bobs this year and flower aint one of them.

Who's bob? Your uncle?

I think this only exclusively applies to SM groups.

The hypocrisy of few people here including op is laughable. It's always the 'but not my faves' for me 🤣

From a business standpoint it's often the obvious thing to do, use them as cash cows. Some of the older groups that have been around for a couple of years and don't promote much today, you just need to give them good enough songs to be liked by the fans they have.

You can use groups like for example A Pink and you can give them a good enough song (DND) keep them a bit relavant and bring in some money. Why burn your best songs on or invest in groups that are on the last legs of their carer? Better to focus your effort on the next thing. But it's of cource not always like that, Twice still gets a lot of good songs, even if they mix in a couple of boring ones too. But the sun will soon set on Twice and BP also.

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This thread was about analyzing the business strategy of companies. I didn't say which company does and which doesn't because someone like you would get hurt. You can clearly see where companies spend their budget and where they don't.

I don't care, it's always the 'but not my faves' too anyway like usual .

We can read sharon, we can

And what is a good song?

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I didn't mean it so literally. A high budget song can still flop and a mid budget song can still become a hit. If you look at NMIXX debut song, it was probably supposed to be a hit and the music video was great, but it just didn't work for the general public.

I think I'm not understanding your point or maybe you didn't understand my question. I want to know what defines a song to be good and what defines it being mid. For us to understand the purpose of an agency's move on that matter, we have to at least have an objective perception of how to identify both.