Posts by oldschool29

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I don't know enough about boy groups so I'll stick to girl groups and remain under 10 picks.

Also, it's not really a subjective list but more like what I see as 4th gen milestones.

1. (G)I-DLE - LATATA

If we agree the 4th generation starts in 2018, then LATATA is the inaugural song for the 4th gen girl groups. Not an absolute smash hit, but it nevertheless achieved way more than what was expected from this relatively nugu group and did set the girls on their own path.

2. IZ*ONE - La Vie En Rose (or FIESTA)

People tend to forget them in 4th gen discussions because they disbanded what seems like a lifetime ago. Yet they're one of the reasons 4th gen was established in 2018 and their impact and success back then was undisputable. And we still see the ripples of it with the debuts of IVE and LE SSERAFIM.

3. ITZY - Dalla Dalla (or WANNABE)

Dalla Dalla was their biggest success but I feel like it's WANNABE that achieved the greater success worlwide. And I like the song more. Either way, ITZY's relevance in early 4th gen (at least) can't be denied.

4. aespa - Next Level

Needs no explanation I guess.

5. IVE - ELEVEN or LOVE DIVE

Maybe LOVE DIVE achieved more, but it wouldn't have without ELEVEN "paving the way"™.

6. (G)I-DLE - TOMBOY

The rebirth of a group that had been left for dead. A hit that reached heights no one could have anticipated.

7. NewJeans - Attention

We lack hindsight so it's my most uncertain pick. Still it's an incredible debut for such a young group.

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This is the correct answer! (If you pick Wannabe for Itzy) I'll add:

8.) StayC - So Bad

9.) Dreamcatcher (unclear if they're late 3rd gen or not) - BEcause

10.) Everglow - Bon Bon Chocolat

Yeah I can't imagine how anyone can cope with a packed idol schedule even if they aren't doing anything else, let alone going to school full time. I doubt they'd be getting the most out of their classes or networking as well as they could, may as well defer and go later.

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Yes! Came here to say the same thing, I can't think of any other group where each member consistently gives so much on stage. Still miss Jonghyun so much.

It's a bad song. They're lucky they're from a survival show, that's what allowed them to sell the number of albums they did. If this was a debut from a random small company it would have been an actual commercial flop.

If she is, then good for her. Get it, Jennie! This girl is becoming like Taylor Swift was 5-10 years ago, hitting up all the male celebrities. I'm not going to date them, so someone should.

I don't get it.. they disbanded in 2017. Is this an inside joke?

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kazuha, due to visuals imo, yunjin too kinda went for it

its kinda weird cause we already know about chae and sakura, so they might naturally stand out more.

I agree, I thought Sakura would really dominate since she's well known, kind of like Wonyoung and Yujin in IVE. Honestly the way they've styled her here is so different than her Izone days, it takes me a split second to recognize her in the mv and teaser photos. It's probably good for them to start fresh and avoid favoritism rumors though.

Her voice sounds the same to me, she's just singing over a larger range in IVE as one of their main vocalists.

Kazuha is very pretty, she kind of looks like Suzy meets Dahyun in that first pic. I voted Sana though because she's more than just a pretty face, she has so much charm and charisma. Maybe Kazuha does too, will have to give her some time when she debuts. Can't tell that kind of thing from some teaser pics.

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Muscular and Muscle Content are different things....

If Yuna hasn't changed her eating habits when she was a trainee then it is natural that after debuting that her fat will be converted to muscle due to a massive increase of exercise.

Muscular is direct training of the muscles where the fat content has already been decreased.

Yuna's thighs were mostly fat content while it is a fact that Chaeryeong's body is more muscle content since at least 2015 when she was on Sixteen

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Where did you find evidence that her eating habits haven't changed? When people lose weight that's the most likely explanation, I don't see why you would rule that out. People with muscle don't have thighs that look like that. I don't see much muscle, I see loose skin, tendons, and at times, bone. It looks like she lost both fat and muscle compared to before in both her arms and legs.

Also, they debuted several years ago, I don't see why they would suddenly have a very different exercise schedule. She didn't look like this a couple months ago. In any case, if you massively up your exercise and don't change your eating habits that *isn't* healthy. Like if I'm totally sedentary I can live on 1500 calories, but if I started running 20 miles a day, that calorie intake would be extremely unhealthy.

Edit to add: this is a random fancam from last fall that illustrates my point. You can see that while she's very thin and you can sometimes see her ribs, her thighs are smooth and toned, and her arms are thin but not scary looking. The bicep muscle you see here is totally absent in the recent fancam. So you can't say that this weight loss is due to some lifestyle change that happened when she went from a trainee to an idol, she had already been an idol here for years.

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She's fine...

Mainly because she is a member of Itzy where their Performances help tone their bodies so it's natural she would lose fat so her weight of 46kg has a high muscle count.

It is unhealthy for your ribs to show if you hardly did any exercise

Disagree strongly. Watch the video and compare her loose, thinner than usual thighs that reveal tendons while she moves to Chaeryeong's. Chaeryeong is what a thin, but muscular woman looks like. All the girls are under the same lighting conditions and doing the same choreo, you can't blame stuff like that if only one girl looks unhealthy. Also her arms are even thinner than usual, I don't see much muscle there.

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Whoa, thanks for sharing. What strikes me from the vid isn't her rib cage (some people just don't carry a lot of fat there and you can see it when they flex in certain ways), but her thighs. They used to be normal/plump and now they look kind of gaunt and move differently. I mean her ribs don't look great either, but the legs are definitely different than they were before and can't be blamed on the lighting. I wonder if she's stressed now that JYP has a new girl group and ITZY is kind of plateauing.

Aww, good job, ladies! They sounded good and I love the new song.

Not to nitpick, but was Winter okay? She seemed lower energy than the other girls, maybe she was just nervous.

Yeah, other groups have had bland debuts and then gone on to be popular, but I honestly can't think of any group with a debut that was so universally hated that went on to be a top group. Can you?

They'll be solid because they're from JYP and have Sullyoon, they could have really wiped the floor with fourth gen though. Like seriously, with their looks and vocals if they had gotten a catchy song it would have been lights out for IVE, StayC, and pretty much every 4th gen group other than Aespa. Now their new gg hype has died down and people will be focusing on the Hybe group. Not that they can't succeed, but it will be an uphill battle for them now.

I mean, I think you're just joking, but I hate that we've all accepted that it's okay for a singing group to have only one person capable of carrying a tune while the rest are just attractive backup dancers. These people are literally paid to sing, it's not too much to ask for them to have some basic competency.

Also, most people sound this good singing in a stairwell (or whatever echoey place this is). I mean no disrespect to Karina at all, I'm a big sm stan and she's my bias in Aespa, she's talented, but not talented enough to carry a group as a main vocalist.

It's pretty good, but they could have given her something that showed off her voice a little more. I think that's where she can really beat a lot of current idols and they didn't take advantage of it.

On an unrelated note, did she get lip filler recently? No hate if she did, just curious because she looks a bit different here.

I wish it didn't have the cringey English lines, but genie is close to a perfect pop song, it's stuck in my head all the time even though it's more than a decade old.

Hmm, hard to say. Kep1er has a built in fanbase since they're from a survival show. On the other hand IVE had the best debut song of the three and surpassed everyone's expectations, maybe they can keep that momentum going. NMixx is the most talented in my opinion and if they manage to have a comeback with a public friendly song soon they could blow the competition out of the water. Girl group competition is heating up and we haven't even gotten HYBE's group yet. I think Aespa are thanking their lucky stars that they debuted when they did and had that time to establish themselves.

I mean, BTS and blackpink to have "western friendly" sounds, but why are you including Exo and Twice in there? Those two groups sound like they had the Korean market in mind to me. Twice only recently released an English language track, they were pretty much ignoring the western market for most of their career.

In any case, I don't think the term "sellout" applies to any of these groups. When you call someone a sellout it means that they compromised their integrity just to make a quick buck. Like someone who started out as a renowned classical composer switching to writing commercial jingles just to make money. BTS did pivot their style a bit I guess, but I don't think they compromised themselves in any way, and blackpink has always sounded pretty much the same.

Yeah, idk, it seems like JYP isn't interested in investing that much in Twice anymore, all their recent songs have been a bit bland. It's like they just want to milk their popularity as much as they can for the near future, but they'll invest their creative teams elsewhere. You see other companies doing the same with their senior groups unfortunately.

With NMixx it's like they invested too much, haha, too many cooks in the kitchen and they made a mess. Pop music will always be hit or miss though, you're never going to have a company that only releases bop after bop, popularity will rise and fall.