Many people still love to downgrade them but they are on the top right now...
and there is only a 1-day difference between the release of this song with the song at #2
Many people totally leave them out while talking about 4th gen groups so conveniently here...
Both TBZ and TXT are slowly climbing their way up 
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i admit i usually mention TXT or SKZ as the leader of 4th gen
but The boyz are doing really great
i just think that Kpop fans usually mention TXT or SKZ
and leave the boyz out of the discussion because 4th gen BG doesn't chart very great
so fans focus more on their sales to choose the leader
and currently TXT and SKZ have better sales ( i might be wrong considering that i don't follow these 3 groups actvities)
oooh nice
Display Morei admit i usually mention TXT or SKZ as the leader of 4th gen
but The boyz are doing really great
i just think that Kpop fans usually mention TXT or SKZ
and leave the boyz out of the discussion because 4th gen BG doesn't chart very great
so fans focus more on their sales to choose the leader
and currently TXT and SKZ have better sales ( i might be wrong considering that i don't follow these 3 groups actvities)
tbz sold 390K with their comeback which happened 11 months ago..
cant compare sales with txt cause they just had a comeback last month and for both tbz and skz its been mostly a year since they last released albums.. we can now only compare sales when both comeback
the difference in sales last year wasnt much tbh as people would like to believe, tbz actually sold really well
They are doing good. But txt are generally considered 4th gen leaders because they are more popular in the west. It is well known that you do well in USA (billboard), the world will start to notice you. Sadly, that's just how it is.
Especially their billboard 200 peak is only behind BTS and BP which is absurd.
They are doing good. But txt are generally considered 4th gen leaders because they are more popular in the west. It is well known that you do well in USA (billboard), the world will start to notice you. Sadly, that's just how it is.
Especially their billboard 200 peak is only behind BTS and BP which is absurd.
txt and skz are doing in better in west I never said they are not..
But literally looking at these digitals and physical sales how tbz are literally not even mentioned in discussions what irks me...
I dont have any problem in people claiming txt or skz are more popular or whatever, the fact that their name isn't even considered even though they are doing almost just as good in most criterias is what gets annoying
Display Morei admit i usually mention TXT or SKZ as the leader of 4th gen
but The boyz are doing really great
i just think that Kpop fans usually mention TXT or SKZ
and leave the boyz out of the discussion because 4th gen BG doesn't chart very great
so fans focus more on their sales to choose the leader
and currently TXT and SKZ have better sales ( i might be wrong considering that i don't follow these 3 groups actvities)
it isn't just "4th gen BG" it's every BG except BTS
tbz havent made a comeback in 1 1 months while both txt comebacks which charted on 24 hits were released afterwards their last comeback...
There is a huge chance they will enter melon 24 this time.. they missed last time by around 10 spots
Kingdom come isnt a comeback it was a special release which still outperformed other groups on goan digital charts this year..
about that being quiet similar in achievements, I agree... they are very neck on neck in most categories
I see them entering Melon 24 Hits next comeback
Display Moretbz havent made a comeback in 1 1 months while both txt comebacks which charted on 24 hits were released afterwards their last comeback...
There is a huge chance they will enter melon 24 this time.. they missed last time by around 10 spots
Kingdom come isnt a comeback it was a special release which still outperformed other groups on goan digital charts this year..
about that being quiet similar in achievements, I agree... they are very neck on neck in most categories
you're right. interested to their 2021 comebacks. 
I see them entering Melon 24 Hits next comeback
I hope they do.. they would be really happy...
and as long as they are happy I am happy uwu
they went through a lot from rtk to Kingdom a whole year 
I think its cause tbz don't have alot of international fans/attention which is why they often get left out. But they gained some from Kingdom from what I've seen and looking at their sales and charting it would be a big mistake to not consider them in 4th gen BG rankings (expecting a nice increase in next comeback numbers). Sadly the thing is, neither TBZ or TXT have korean digitals worth writing home about and since SVT and NCT also struggle with digitals despite their huge sales the future is bleak for korean charting for BGs.
Display MoreI hope they do.. they would be really happy...
and as long as they are happy I am happy uwu
they went through a lot from rtk to Kingdom a whole year
Their hardwork is being paying off, don't worry!
I think they currently have the biggest domestic fandom in the generation (or, at least, on par with txt).
KINGDOM songs aren't a good standard to judge a group's real potential on domestic charts. As far as I know, every group after Queendom and RTK did much better with their next comebacks digitally than with the final song.
And they already pperformed amazingly with 'Kingdom Come'. So I'm looking foward what they can do.
They are doing good. But txt are generally considered 4th gen leaders because they are more popular in the west. It is well known that you do well in USA (billboard), the world will start to notice you. Sadly, that's just how it is.
Especially their billboard 200 peak is only behind BTS and BP which is absurd.
Superm went #1
Display MoreTheir hardwork is being paying off, don't worry!
I think they currently have the biggest domestic fandom in the generation (or, at least, on par with txt).
KINGDOM songs aren't a good standard to judge a group's real potential on domestic charts. As far as I know, every group after Queendom and RTK did much better with their next comebacks digitally than with the final song.
And they already pperformed amazingly with 'Kingdom Come'. So I'm looking foward what they can do.
Yeah I agree
3.5 GEN*
3.5 GEN*
if you wanna argue about this go and argue with korean media on generations and what not cause they consider tbz to be 4th gen .. this is not the thread for this
it's crazy they did that with a kingdom song
i'm sure they will enter melon this next cb, and with the members gaining some traction individually in Korea, I can see them becoming the 4th gen leaders in Korea.
they just have the "it" factor many of their peers lack. I saw many pann fans saying they have the feel of a SM group despite being from a small company
I’m txt fan but I have been also here since Gen2 so one thing you not gonna hear from me is dig towards other bgroups. Lol
The boys are doing great, now they just need to make a comeback. Kingdom gave them more popularity they should make a comeback before that cools down so we can see how they will do in the west. I’m looking forward to see them.
They are doing good. But txt are generally considered 4th gen leaders because they are more popular in the west. It is well known that you do well in USA (billboard), the world will start to notice you. Sadly, that's just how it is.
Especially their billboard 200 peak is only behind BTS and BP which is absurd.
didn't they rank #6? superm peaked at #1 and nct 127 at #5....
it's crazy they did that with a kingdom song
i'm sure they will enter melon this next cb, and with the members gaining some traction individually in Korea, I can see them becoming the 4th gen leaders in Korea.
they just have the "it" factor many of their peers lack. I saw many pann fans saying they have the feel of a SM group despite being from a small company
Yeah they do give off SM vibes no wonder but actually they work with a lot of SM producers and teams as well so people are not wrong
I’m txt fan but I have been also here since Gen2 so one thing you not gonna hear from me is dig towards other bgroups. Lol
The boys are doing great, now they just need to make a comeback. Kingdom gave them more popularity they should make a comeback before that cools down so we can see how they will do in the west. I’m looking forward to see them.
Early August it is with a summer song!
I specially noticed it during The Stealer cb, it had strong exo vibes. they worked with an SM producer for that, right?
but kfans also mention the SM vibes about their visuals, many of the members fit into the "flower boy" or "classical handsome" standards that SM have, and that appeals a lot to them.
imo that's one of the reasons they could have one of the strongest kfanbases of 4th gen
Early August it is with a summer song!
Nice!!! Not long then, good for you. What is the fandom name for the boys btw? I wanted to write it but I have no clue.
I specially noticed it during The Stealer cb, it had strong exo vibes. they worked with an SM producer for that, right?
but kfans also mention the SM vibes about their visuals, many of the members fit into the "flower boy" or "classical handsome" standards that SM have, and that appeals a lot to them.
imo that's one of the reasons they could have one of the strongest kfanbases of 4th gen
Yeah Kenzie worked on two songs in the latest album...
Also their choreography and stage directtor is mihwak who is known for a lot of SM choreos especially EXO and NCT
Nice!!! Not long then, good for you. What is the fandom name for the boys btw? I wanted to write it but I have no clue.
Yeah we are also getting a vampire themed special release in two days for no reason lmao
The fandom name is TheB/Deobi
written both ways
and it wasn't even a comeback! can't even imagine how crazy their august cb is gonna be omg
and it wasn't even a comeback! can't even imagine how crazy their august cb is gonna be omg
Exactly I am so excited for the comeback, I hope it performs good and gains them more recognition
@keaji where have you been 
To be honest, I don't like to concentrate on the 'competitive' side of kpop, for example, comparing success of 4th gen groups and who's doing better atwhat area etc.
I just kind of concentrate on my faves and wantthem to be successful, because they deserve it, they are talented in every area and great as people. And they have excellent music.
But that doesn't mean I don't support other group, I listen to new music when it comes out and wish all well for everyone, I just don't have the time or energy to follow closely a lot of artists, so I just do that with the ones I likethe most.
What I'm trying to say, all the treads about who's the leader of what generation doesn't make any sense to me, nor would I be able to claim something, I can not know, following closely just one group of the generation.
It also creates unnecessary fanwars and fighting and shifts the attention to the competitive side of kpop, while I think it's better to enjoy the music and content, while supporting and hyping up your faves :D
Ah I'm sorry, I'm writing essays again :D
@keaji where have you been
Busy, busy having a good time heheh, I've been away for only 2 days, I'm backt to promoting tbz with you 
Busy, busy having a good time heheh, I've been away for only 2 days, I'm backt to promoting tbz with you
uwu I am glad you are having a good time lub..
I am going through shit, I hope the tbz comeback is soon so I can feel better 
uwu I am glad you are having a good time lub..
I am going through shit, I hope the tbz comeback is soon so I can feel better
Oh nooo, you are? Is it because of uni?
I hope all will be well soon and if you need to talk with someone, I'm here 
Their melon charting next comeback will be interesting.
I think they'll enter 24hits like TXT but I can't say their peak and especially not their longevity. We'll see how the kingdom push those two factors.
The concept also would play but idk which one would be more beneficial. Being consistent with the show and their latest ones or be more gp and summer friendly to attract non bg. We'll see! Good luck to them anyway
Oh nooo, you are? Is it because of uni?
I hope all will be well soon and if you need to talk with someone, I'm here
uwu yeah its just uni and stress since I am gonna graduate soon....
Thanks lub 
Their melon charting next comeback will be interesting.
I think they'll enter 24hits like TXT but I can't say their peak and especially not their longevity. We'll see how the kingdom push those two factors.
The concept also would play but idk which one would be more beneficial. Being consistent with the show and their latest ones or be more gp and summer friendly to attract non bg. We'll see! Good luck to them anyway
the official comeback has been confirmed to be a refreshing concept
its early august
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