Let's be honest, name two group that you secretly confident that their sales are fraudulent?

Your faves.

BTS, BLACKPINK

New Jeans

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My faves are Dreamcatcher, Cherrybullet, Viviz, Gfriend Apink, Wjsn, Tribe, BEG

Like which one? Some of them sadly were 💀, so obviously not them right?

I am 100% sure they are all frauds.

I believe most SM groups albums sales are suspicious.

Mamamoo

NewJeans

None. Dont make no damn sense to fake sales.

NMIXX

everyone's faves

in honest ive

i dont understand what starship is thinking doing them durty like this

you have 2 ex izone members with bigger reach than big4. easily 1M sales from them including cbars

japan they sell seats like .01 seconds. thats another 1M

you have solid songs plus best album design. another 500k

number 1 group in korea. 1.5M sales

and the the rest.

they easily clear 4M. thats just 1 version imagine 17?

why starship?

Nmixx and Seventeen. I can say this with impunity as let's be honest, none of us have seen a single fucking fan of either group.

every group has a budget to do some fraud. big companies have more so it's more visible. spotify is the new place for fraud now. recent exampes on global streaming would be whether anyone believes it or not, even fifty fifty cupid was pushed quite a lot. obviously, newjeans is also there.

but what kpop fans think is fraud is a common western industr ypractice. it can be called promotions if fans can just stop obsessively looking at numbers and comparing with other groups. it's not a level playing field currently with hybe.

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NEW JEANS

my faves

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Besides NMIXX no group came to my mind

because all the other groups with big sales have been able to back it up with national and international charting

and just general buzz around them in the kpop community

You mean other girl groups right ?

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everyone's faves

Nah ... mine don't even sell much. A.C.E's highest sales had been like 50K or so ...

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Besides NMIXX no group came to my mind

because all the other groups with big sales have been able to back it up with national and international charting

and just general buzz around them in the kpop community

but what if they are also rigging korean digital charts, but cant chart internationally?

certain companies have been mocked by knetz for getting grandmas to mass stream at 6am since 2014.

Also nmixx has over 1 million sales, however their sales on days 2 to 7 in the first week are only about 35%. There are some groups with their week 1 sales at 55% on days 2 to 7. And this is in the day of pre-orders, when real people are buying albums weeks in advance.

Nmixx and who?

Limelight selling around 10k for their pre-debut, 40k albums for their debut, and then 10k again for their first comeback was a little sus tbh.

All, esp NMIXX

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Don't attack anyone for their opinions and lets being totally honest. Name two groups that you secretly confident that their sales number are not real at all.

What we know as facts, not figures, that Billboard cut off BTS Jimin's sales:

"A week after Jimin gets his #1, Billboard decides to filter the sales by 90% (from 120k to 14k )"

However, that move costs way too much, only the rich entertainments are available to do it. Based on my assumption, I think NMIXX and NewJeans used the principle "fake it till you make it". Meanwhile NewJeans really made it, NMIXX still struggles on "fake it" stage.

You should understand that groups with 10-20 million dollars investments can buy everything and everywhere: views, streams, awards, tv show wins. The problem is they can't do it for so long because the main purpose is to earn the money, not to infinitely spend it for the fake success.

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Limelight selling around 10k for their pre-debut, 40k albums for their debut, and then 10k again for their first comeback was a little sus tbh.

Nothing suspicious. Hyped as newgg, then a hype was gone

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Youre freakin stupid. Most the carats left the forum and there IS a few of us here. What a baseless take..I LOVE seventeen.

being flover, I can verify your words. Pledis is too greedy and too lazy for making frauds

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Youre freakin stupid. Most the carats left the forum and there IS a few of us here. What a baseless take..I LOVE seventeen.

I second this. I'm not as active as I once was, but I love checking in for updates and keeping updated on everything. I often read stuff in this forum instead of posting.

I often post when I want to save up akorns for a new badge. 😊😅

Seventeen re released their old albums this year, a lot of fans bought their old favourite albums to.

But everyone is allowed their opinion. 💙

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What we know as facts, not figures, that Billboard cut off BTS Jimin's sales:

"A week after Jimin gets his #1, Billboard decides to filter the sales by 90% (from 120k to 14k )"

However, that move costs way too much, only the rich entertainments are available to do it. Based on my assumption, I think NMIXX and NewJeans used the principle "fake it till you make it". Meanwhile NewJeans really made it, NMIXX still struggles on "fake it" stage.

You should understand that groups with 10-20 million dollars investments can buy everything and everywhere: views, streams, awards, tv show wins. The problem is they can't do it for so long because the main purpose is to earn the money, not to infinitely spend it for the fake success.

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The big 3 in the West all use streaming farms, I don't know why kpop fans think their favorite big 4 company would be any different.

All of them? K-pop sales are very inflated by fans regardless of the fandom's size. There's no fandom everyone is only buying one copy per release what is the logical If you are only one person.

But If you mean fraudulent by the company doing sajaegi I have no idea.

Seventeen, Stray Kids, Nct dream 100%

Txt,Ateez 99%

Other Boygroups who had "records" this year 50%

GGs

Nmixx 10000%

Other GGs especially Aespa 50%

Nmixx and Itzy, but only for certain albums. Not all are weird.

I have a whole post I can write, but long story short their numbers move outside certain patterns in regards to Expergo vs Midsummer's Nmixx Dream and Checkmate vs Cheshire. Basically changes to ratios which make absolutely no sense, and are the only 2 groups to exhibit this unusual behaviour. Not necessarily fraudulent either, more what I'd say 'creative' ways to reach '1M' sales.

Checkmate and Midsummer's Nmixx Dream being the 2 albums in question.

All other albums by them are probably fairly legit (expect for the JYP usual trick of overstocking via Circle).

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aespa and NCT 127