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K-pop stans set different standards for groups.

For instance there's a hilarious gif of SNSD taeyeon removing her in-ears when Tiffany is struggling but they will never state that Tiffany can't sing. She just had bad moments.

Saw a recent video of Wendy from Red Velvet struggling to stay on pitch. And they will never state that she can't sing. It was just a bad moment.

Huh yunjin is actually a very good example of double standards...she has proven that she can sing and not only that but she writes her own lyrics and she actually pretty damn good at it But nah she is supposedly a fraud who can't sing and is talentless cause of a couple bad moments. She is incapable of having bad moments to kpop stans, she just can't sing and is a fraud.

As an army Ive seen it enough with BTS how kpop stans set different standards. Since BTS is in the military kpop stan double standards just got extended to hybe groups.

They will only be understanding to a particular subset of kpop idols and be ruthless with others.

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Of course, BTS is somewhere, somehow.

Quote from thebadguy

Jyp is just too proud to be #2

https://www.allkpop.com/articl…n-the-industry-after-hybe

Number 2!?

JYP always delusional.

Quote from BEG4DAWIN

2NE1 did well.

Did people talk shit about ATEEZ?

I did not see their performance, just a few clips.

The performance was good, the camera work was ass.

Quote from David33

"Is it time to stop inviting kpop acts to Coachella and Lollapoloza?"

Not really, it's time to stop inviting average or below average groups to Coachella or Lollapalooza.

I mean, just think about it, without Covid, Mamamoo could've been there too in 2020. The bar would be so high, that these BIG4 agencies wouldn't eve dare to think about performing at Coachella.

They should send vocal groups to perform, not little kids who can dance, but not singers. That could be a career ender for sure.

Ateez and The Rose will do a good performance, but they should invite groups like EXO, Mamamoo, Red Velvet, G-Idle and some others that are stil active and can sing.

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The companies should put some effort too with the stage.

They should really take note of blackpink stage a presentation from 2023, it was really well put together.

Which something I though Hybe didn't put much effort with both LS and NJ.

Quote from Tatiana1820

They're losing relevence and probably slowly fading into the itzy, aespa, whatever other big 4th gen ggs hole or smth. That's probably their future right now.

How do you even know that?

I just thought it was the regular kpop "live" performance.

The crowd seem to like, it's all good.

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Fan meeting probably represent Newjeans fanbase in Korea, but in the world gender ratio is a lot women oriented than men. People can buy albums all around the world, but only people in Korea can go to fan meets.

Theoretically 12 - 43% of female fanbase could buy more albums than 100% of male fanbase if every people would buy one album. That's why female fanbase is more important than male fanbase.

Could be too tha the uncle fans have more disposable income than the young female fans.

Even all the with the support that both BP and NJ get from female fans, they still couldn't compete with the support that BTS or boy groups in general get them from them.

Women will prefer to support boy groups over girl groups, with a few exceptions here and there.

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but they dont need uncle fans if u can attract female fans that like bgs .there is a reason bg can be profitable for longer yrs than gg. thats why labels want the label stans to like their other grps too cuz the most loyal fans are female.

for example, new jeans have more male fans but more female fans are buying their albums. as mentioned, its bec hybe stans buy their albums too which are mostly female so again thanks to hybe😂 they became million seller early. but i think this stats will change and will lean towards female once they become more likeable to female demography -- be more chill, independent , and leaning towards fashion like bp. isnt it what mhj doing right now? u need female fans for concerts.IMG_4935.jpeg

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Could be too that the uncle fans have more disposable income than the young female fans.

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new jeans have more casual female stans ( mostly hybe stans ) that buy their albums or little girls so perhaps parents buy the albums oversees . but fans in sk are probably male. as they grow older and get more luxury brand endorsements ( like bp) they will attract more female loyal fans.

Uncle fans buy albums so they can go to fan events and concert tickets, but they don't listen to their music on melon, that's for sure.

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female fans find gidle kinda a bit too extreme i think . in a way a little too fake on their takes abt feminisn. most female fans like bgs for obvious reasons but for them to like a gg , they need to be more trendy , like i wanna wear their clothes, not too sexy, not too sweet/timid but should be pretty and independent like bp. all bp members have different personality so u can just pick one member to like acc to ur taste. like as role model not as preference. 😂its like "i want to live their life" for ggs to get more female fans . the higher they lean towards being chill, modern , independent but remains feminine looking, and fashionable , the more they will attract female fans.

adult male fans( uncle fans) sorry but most of them are weirdos . they like ggs for one reason alone . to fantasize abt them and move on to the next shiny ones when the grp gets older.everytime i see them attending fm/fc, i kinda pity ggs 😭. ul see pretty ladies on bg fms/fcs, mostly look like attending a party but in ggs male fans all look like someone that will do no good. 😭

aunties are the best fans cuz they are harmless and usually treat the artist ( like lim young-woung) as their lost child. very loyal, supportive , competitive and have deep pockets . and no one can really think they can overpower the artist if they do something crazy hence i can say, i would rather have them as fans than the weirdo uncle😂

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But didn't newjeans had a lot of male fans for their fan meeting that one time, and then a lot of female buyers for the album sales.

I feel like the demographic will change depending on what metric you look at it.

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Because old men are too busy obsessed with Twice and New Jeans to care about Ill-it, they're stuck in 3rd gen and 4th gen. Which is fine I guess, we all don't need to keep up with new groups.

Plus, Ill-it doesn't need uncle fans, especially not old men coming to their fan signs like with new jeans with most members being minors. it is okay to go to a fan sign as an older male but just don't be a creep.

We need more aunt fans for girl groups.

I think twice is too old for uncle fans at this point.

Wow, it's really not worth debuting outside the big 4, at least for girl groups.

Event thought they went from 98 million won in 2022 to more than 1 billion in 2023 on the artist fee section. They may have made some good money after all.

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if teddy does not want to produce for yg anymore then yg should hire whoever produced adios and dundun for everglow because those have much more polished & catchy yg sound than this blackpink reject.

flop for me.

Teddy is done with YG. He's girl group will be the next blackpink in terms of success.

He was the one that made most of the hit songs from both bp e bb.

YG is just embarrassing himself at this point.

Quote from justscrolling

Hopefully one day Spotify can disclose how many click stream plus artists streams vs other playlist and automatic stream.

It's basically harder to get youtube views than Spotify streams. At least for youtube you can't just put it on the bg and people who do ads got caught. Other company should play the game too, oh kpop.

Streaming farms are very real in Spotify and Apple Music, and some western labels were caught using them.

You don't even need to be part of a big label to buy plays.

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What are the odds that Hybe eventually buys JYP? I don't want them to buy out JYP, but just curious if other folks think it's a possibility.

JYP is the weaker of the big 3, right now they mostly depend on Twice and SK. It is kind of over for them as soon as either of them leaves.

The other groups can't compensate for the money the main acts bring.

I imagine hybe would have bought them, but since JYPE still is so over-evaluated, there is no way it would be worth it for them, even if they have the money.

It's about time, and I hope other companies started to eliminate the "rapper" position.

If the member can't sing or dance well, there is no problem on them just standing and being pretty.

Another bad trend being perpetuated.

Uncle fans power activate.

The bubble burst?

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Part of the NJ concept is that they are 5 girls next door. MJH could have spent 1/2 a day in any Korean shopping mall and picked 5 random pretty kids, trained them for 8 months to follow a chorography exactly, and the results would have been the same. To not acknowledge this is insulting MJH and her vision.

Illit are just marketed to target the next batch of 9-12 year olds.

You can say that about most kpop groups, but to the fans they are the most special, unique, and truly a gift from the gods until the next superstar group comes along.

It's almost like these companies have kpop fans completely devoted and ready to worship whatever group they debut next, without hesitation.

They are just as good as the company they debuted in.

Illit is from hybe, and they have bang pd putting all his energy into trying to catch up to NJ.

Babymonster has no teddy, no hit song.

The black label girl group has teddy, so it's a guaranteed hit song.

Unis is a group.

SM new girl group is also a group.