I don't think people outside stan twitter hate kpop as much as people think they do

most negativity about kpop stems from xenophobia, sexism(people perceive it as something teen girls like) and homophobia imo

In my country at least there are a lot of kpop stans, kpop isn’t mainstream. But at least BTS and BP get a little bit mediaplay here.

Also I can tell BP are huge I mean the crowd during Jisoo PFW was insane.

It seems like lately people aren’t afraid to admit they’d kpop fans you don’t get bullied or dragged

There are some racist fans for sure, who wont accept any pop music performed by Asian people.

I think the vast majority of hate Kpop gets is because of its boyband nature. All boybands get hate, they all get called manufactured and plastic, also i remember back in school, folks used to call New Kids on the Block gay, queer, etc etc.

I don't think that's true. The negative notions come either from the dark side of the industry shit or the bad rep of k-pop fans as idolising the groups and not being able to take any opinions.

These exist outside of stan twt too. Though I agree these seem more common in western media since I wasn't aware of these things.

From what I've observed it seems to be changing little by little. I've had adult men in meetings tell us that they like listening to kpop as a hobby with their daughters. It's something that they bond over.

My assumption about k-pop was that these are just meme type of fun songs. I saw k-pop videos like Gangnam Style, Dumb dumb by RV and this...

That's what I thought k-pop was. Even after getting into BTS, I used to look for other acts on yt but I remember giving up after this

I only started actively listening to other k-pop acts again in late 2019.

You are not wrong, we start hating it more when we are inside this "world". Before that you just ignore and dont care

As others have mentioned,most of it stems from toxic masculinity and racism/xenophobia

Boy bands are already stigmatized as it is,combine that with k-pop's flashiness and the fact that it's not part of the ''US/Global mainstream'' realm,people can easily perceive it as weird and not worthy giving respect.

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on a serious note, other than bts and bp who i think get mentioned for there achievements, what's the general opinion about kpop? like what was the impression u had about kpop before u got into it or u had no idea about it?

Well GS was a huge hit in France but no one knew PSY was Korean they were just listening without checking his background that’s the not 1st time not even in France but in general a lot of kpop songs went viral but no one knows it’s Korean. It seems like kpop has the potential to be more mainstream it’s just companies doing the wrong moves and tactics.

Add the fact that there aren’t any Asian representation, if Asians artists from western countries were mainstream people would be more opened to kpop.

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what about you? did u have any negative impressions about kpop? was it because the way it was shown in your media or because of kpop stans etc?

Not in the slightest lol,I liked it right away.I didn't have any exposure to it before discovering it so I went into it without any prejudice.

I definitely saw it as a guilty pleasure though..and I still kind of do.

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what about you? did u have any negative impressions about kpop? was it because the way it was shown in your media or because of kpop stans etc? i'm curious

childish , lipsyc ,everyone looks the same and does the same thing ,like robots with no personality and no identity

yep, that's was my first impression after watching inkigayo, music core, m-countdown , etc.... (until now i always hated this kind of show )

big thanks to some groups who do live in their concert to show me the true potential of kpok

You are right. Most of them don't give a damn about kpop. The only thing is they steteotype kpop as kidz bop and view male idols as feminine or look alikes because of p.s.

I had a "slight" negative impression that it was mostly bubblegum pop type stuff or GS type music but I am glad to be proved wrong

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Like when i first heard about kpop, i never had any pre conceived notions about it being "manufactured" or "bad' or a "dark industry"

maybe its because i'm not from a western country but my assumption of kpop was that it would be similar to folk songs and regional music where it will have specific attributes from that region for eg.- that they wil use traditional music instruments belonging to that region etc

of course that was not true. kpop was very modern and had catchy music you can groove to and i loved this about kpop

it makes me wonder if there is a difference in how fans from different parts of the world view kpop before delving deep into it and if the way the media captures kpop in their country plays a part in it

what about you? did u have any negative impressions about kpop? was it because the way it was shown in your media or because of kpop stans etc? i'm curious

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My first experience with kpop was bad. This was before I realized that Gangnam style is also kpop.

I didn’t like the music. Concluded that it was just another form of shallow music. This notion stuck with me for a long time and was the reason why I was late in giving BTS a chance. I assumed kpop was all the same, just generally bad.

And I don’t agree that non kpop stans have a better perception of kpop before they delve into it. It’s even worse. I don’t know how many times I’ve been looked down on for saying that I listen to BTS.

(this is just my experience) most people irl don't hate kpop with a passion they just think it's bad and the fans are all teen girls

A lot of people make fun of it saying it's gay, trash, bad singers, can only dance, lipsynced, horny fans, etc.

My experience with K-pop fans was people spamming fancams under unrelated tweets like a bunch of immature kids, so it didn't leave a good impression.

i remember i read this thread last time lol

Kpop is the probably the most passively hated thing on internet.

www.reddit.com

I didn't hate kpop when I was a non kpop fan. I just thought it was weird. And I see many other non-kpop fans around me feel that way as well. They just don't get the hype. But that doesn't make any person hate kpop as a genre itself. Hate is a strong word. Most of the hate towards kpop outside stan twitter stems from xenophobia.

When I first heard about Kpop, I found it a bit cheesy and not for me - like some of the 2nd Gen stuff was just a little too “hmm.” It wasn’t Kpop stans but the content itself - I thought it was all cutesy girls singing in a high pitched voice like “Gee” and fun but kind of out of date stuff like Super Junior. I had a friend who was a shawol and while stuff like Lucifer was a bop, other stuff could sometimes be a “hmm.”

So it was too bubble gum pop or out of date for me as the negatives. Then once I got into EXO, I found that most people had many of those same perceptions and that’s continued to this day.

I think that people that talk about it being manufactured are perhaps coming from the rock/alt perspective because I never heard people talking about it being any more manufactured than other mainstream pop stars like Britney or Ariana. 🤷🏽‍♀️ People expect pop to be manufactured in a way that’s different from other genres.

I think teenage boys are more worried about the “they’re wearing makeup,” “that’s gay” homophobic garbage while the bulk of what I hear people assume is that it’s either for (often hysterical) teenage girls and the surprise that there are different styles and music. Everyone assumes it’s just cotton candy pop and are floored when they hear complex r&b harmonies, power vocals or thumping hip hop.

I mean like yes, I’m playing the hell out of these songs but people in the drive thru bopping to it ask me who it is and are shocked when I say it’s Kpop:

(The older ladies I went to lunch with my auntie with were obsessed with this song )

people around me don't care about kpop but they think kpop is for kids, so when i watch kpop they like looking at me weirdly and say grow up

Yeah, nobody really cares for k-pop and hates it like kpop fans say. People just like what they like and mind their buisness.

K-Pop is mainstream here.

At the end of the day, you do you.

Let's party!

Western mainstream media have done a 'fine' job turning away people with their articles and documentaries.

I've had the standard 'Kpop is manufactured, they're all robots' type of response when I said I liked it by a great variety of people.

Probably don't like the competition for Western artists, who they can somehow see as individuals no matter how problematic.

I'd like to add to the above that none of those people 'hate' Kpop.

They don't care enough about it to do, but they have a negative opinion and often say things that are not correct, but present it as fact.

As for the music, I listened to J-rock, rock-based J-pop and classical; and despised pop, electronic and hip-hop. I hated any song using virtual instruments in lieu of real instruments. I thought K-pop was all bubblegum and club bangers, so I .

Now, here I am .

K-pop to me was gangnam style weird & other ,not worthy of checking out

All that changed when I stumbled upon BP,they should k-pop is really just music in Korean but perhaps even more exceptionally than english music

I got into Kpop before the Gangnam style craze and almost no one outside Asia knew what kpop was.

The only thing i knew were some idols from watching Kdramas. So, I went into kpop expecting nothing. I checked out SHINee and i saw them dancing and wearing all those weird outfits and crazy hairstyles, and so much color. I liked it because it was something different from the music in my home country and other popular music i knew at the time.

People around me just think Kpop is kids/teenage girls' music with no depth.

I thought it would be similar to j pop ....except it turned out to be much better lmao

I guess now that k-pop has evolved people are generally more ready to accept it

As much as I hold 2nd gen dear to my heart,even I have to admit that everything was a lot...cornier back then lol,from the visuals to the sound.

But then again,I feel like that's what made it feel more like ''k-pop''.

They actually catered to Korea's taste and there wasn't as much aspiration for appealing to ''the west'' or ''being global''.It truly felt more ..''Korean'' if that makes sense.2nd gen k-pop was a true niche of its own,in every sense of that word.

Here's what I've seen as a kpop stan for 5 years.

1: Some people generalise and define kpop as something it isn't based on only one song

2: Lots of xenophobia is shown like people have already mentioned in this thread. It's a big problem that has to change

3: Almost anything that is liked by MAINLY teenage or young adult girls are bound to get hated on

Kpop is slowly becoming more mainstream though. I see tiktoks of teachers in the US who play kpop songs in their classrooms not because it's seen as trendy, but they actually enjoy doing it. I know someone who's teacher loves NCT and Stray Kids.