Are PAKs too easy to get now? It's now even prestige anymore

The chart reform makes it even harder than b4, so nope

Hello no, lmao.

If only 4 people got it out of the hundreds of artists who are releasing music a year, than that tells you more than enough.

Yea! They removed a lot of charts lol

No

It’s harder to get the first PAK but once you’re up there, it’s easier to accumulate PAKs.

Paks have always been kinda useless to follow regardless of when. Sone artists with fewer paks have managed to rank high longer in charts

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It used to be like 10 artists a YEAR get a PAKs in like 2012-2017, I feel like this year we will have a lot more

PAKs list (I searched)

2016

• BIGBANG – FXXK IT [14 Dec — 18:30]
• Heize – Star [6 Dec — 14:30]
• TWICE – TT [26 Oct — 12:30]
• I.O.I – Very Very Very [19 Oct — 15:30]
• Han Dong Geun – Making a new ending for this story [Sep 2016]
• Lim Chang Jung – The Love That I Committed [10 Sep — 13:30]
• BLACKPINK – WHISTLE [14 Aug — 13:30]
• Wonder Girls – Why So Lonely [8 Jul — 22:30]
• BewhY – Forever (SMTM5) [3 Jul — 00:30]
• One – Comfortable (feat. Simon D, Gray)(SMTM5) [27 Jun — 00:30]
• [21/22 Jun]*
• One, G2, BewhY, DayDay – I’m not what you knew (feat. Simon Dominic) (SMTM5)[20 Jun — 00:30]
• Urban Zakapa – I Don’t Love You [29 May — 00:30]
• 10cm – What The Spring?? [4 Apr — 00:30]
• TWICE – CHEER UP [27 Apr — 18:30]
• Davichi – This Love [3 Mar — 13:30]
• MAMAMOO – You’re the Best [29 Feb — 3:30]
• GFRIEND – Rough [7 Feb — 14:30]
• Crush – Don’t Forget (Feat. Taeyeon) [25 Jan — 00:30]

2017

• DEAN — instagram [30 Dec — 3:30]
• Naul — Emptiness in Memory [4 Dec — 00:30]
• Epik High — Love Story (feat. IU) [26 Oct — 1:30]
• Bolbbalgan4 — Some [02 Oct — 00:30]
• IU — Autumn Morning [20 Sep — 22:30]
• Woo Won Jae — We Are (feat. Loco & Gray) (SMTM6) [8 Sep — 14:30]
• Yoon Jong Shin — Like It [18 Aug — 23:30]
• Team Dynamic Duo (Nucksal, Hanhae, Rhyno, MyunDo, Jo Woochan) — 1/N (SMTM6) [7 Aug — 00:30]
• Heize — You, Clouds, Rain (Feat. Shin Yong Jae) [4 Jul — 14:30]
• G-DRAGON — Untitled, 2014 [12 Jun — 00:30]
• —- Instiz Rule Change (15 May) —-
• IU — Palette (Feat. G-DRAGON) [24 Apr — 1:30]
• IU — Can’t Love You Anymore (Feat. Oh Hyuk) [10 Apr — 00:30]
• IU — Through the Night [27 Mar — 00:30]
• —- Real-Time aggregation change from K-streaming sites (27 Feb) —-
• TWICE — KNOCK KNOCK [21 Feb — 13:30]
• Ailee — I’ll Go To You Like The First Snow(Goblin OST Part 9) [13 Jan — 14:30]
• Kwanghee & Gaeko — Your Night (feat. OH HYUK) (Infinite Challenge) [2 Jan — 14:30]

Too lazy to CnP the rest but you see there’s way more than 3 lol

Depends on what year you compare it to. Its harder now then three weeks ago since they implemented youtube weekly chart. Now PAK is basically exlusive to idols who release flashy mvs. Non idol artists are locked out from it, unless they score a super big hit.

Simply its gone up and down over the years in difficulty depending on chart rules and changes and of course how the competition is at the time of release.

When it comes to how many hours a song can stay at PAK once it reaches it, its never been as easy as its been in the last 1.5 years. 5-12 years ago a song getting over 20 hours was huge, a song getting over 100 was almost unheard of. Now 100+ is the norm.

well I still don't know what a PAK is and even if you tell me I won't remember it

yes all groups in kpop are flops

I don't think it was ever easy since the song genuinely needs to be a big hit, but removing soribada certainly helped songs get more paks now

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It used to be like 3 artists a YEAR get a PAKs in like 2012-2017

That was also during the time where streaming was in it's infancy. Streaming has now become the primary way people consume music. Meaning more people use streaming services. People don't consume music like they used to, so you can't expect things to look the same as they did 10 years ago.

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I understand like 20% of what's being said on this thread

same

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then thats ur problem, not really something to be proud of if you cant understand basic concepts

not proud of it

nor is it an issue of understanding, just don't care enough

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Bro you fucking destroyed that user you're so cool and you have huge massive balls

massivekpopballs

Imagine not being a charts expert, fucking pathetic 🤓

It's a lot easier now since you only have to top 6 charts and they dropped fangirl zombie streaming havens like Naver and Soribada.

It’s impressive to have a PAK but you can’t compare the 2020-22 songs which achieved a PAK to the older ones since charts right now are moving slowly.

Now songs will accumulate a large amount of PAK.

It'll be harder to get a PAK starting now because of the additional Youtube weekly chart, but it's easier to accumulate PAK once you achieve the first one (so a lot more songs with 100+ PAKs).

Actually in number of songs so far this year its in line with previous two years, but its lacking hours so far. Avg is only 97h, while 2020 and 2021 had an average of 186-197h.

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* 2010-2014 was overall by far the hardest period to achieve PAK and hours.

* 2016-2018 was by far the easiest period to get PAK.

* Average hour per song skyrocketed in 2020, with an average of 197h per song, while the previous 10 years the highest average was 40h

* The only constant with perfect all kills is IU. Scored with at least one song every year except 2012 and 2016(no release). On average she releases 1.6 PAK songs per year.

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Not op calling someone stupid when they got fact checked on the first page

They prob stan a group that got their last pak 10 years ago

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well I still don't know what a PAK is and even if you tell me I won't remember it

You are missing nothing. It is a trinket which only i-fans care about.

And many idols have shown that they are entirely unaware of.

Very derivative as a metric and adds little value, become worse now that YouTube had been added.

Don't bother.

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well I still don't know what a PAK is and even if you tell me I won't remember it

I'll try answer it to be best of my knowledge

PAK means perfect allkill

it's a system used to desginate when a song is no. 1 in all charts from instiz???

I think this is the site for it...https://www.instiz.net/spage/8

if highlight over the score of a particular song it will show you it's rank and if it's all 1's then that's a PAK

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PAKs list (I searched)

2016

• BIGBANG – FXXK IT [14 Dec — 18:30]
• Heize – Star [6 Dec — 14:30]
• TWICE – TT [26 Oct — 12:30]
• I.O.I – Very Very Very [19 Oct — 15:30]
• Han Dong Geun – Making a new ending for this story [Sep 2016]
• Lim Chang Jung – The Love That I Committed [10 Sep — 13:30]
• BLACKPINK – WHISTLE [14 Aug — 13:30]
• Wonder Girls – Why So Lonely [8 Jul — 22:30]
• BewhY – Forever (SMTM5) [3 Jul — 00:30]
• One – Comfortable (feat. Simon D, Gray)(SMTM5) [27 Jun — 00:30]
• [21/22 Jun]*
• One, G2, BewhY, DayDay – I’m not what you knew (feat. Simon Dominic) (SMTM5)[20 Jun — 00:30]
• Urban Zakapa – I Don’t Love You [29 May — 00:30]
• 10cm – What The Spring?? [4 Apr — 00:30]
• TWICE – CHEER UP [27 Apr — 18:30]
• Davichi – This Love [3 Mar — 13:30]
• MAMAMOO – You’re the Best [29 Feb — 3:30]
• GFRIEND – Rough [7 Feb — 14:30]
• Crush – Don’t Forget (Feat. Taeyeon) [25 Jan — 00:30]

2017

• DEAN — instagram [30 Dec — 3:30]
• Naul — Emptiness in Memory [4 Dec — 00:30]
• Epik High — Love Story (feat. IU) [26 Oct — 1:30]
• Bolbbalgan4 — Some [02 Oct — 00:30]
• IU — Autumn Morning [20 Sep — 22:30]
• Woo Won Jae — We Are (feat. Loco & Gray) (SMTM6) [8 Sep — 14:30]
• Yoon Jong Shin — Like It [18 Aug — 23:30]
• Team Dynamic Duo (Nucksal, Hanhae, Rhyno, MyunDo, Jo Woochan) — 1/N (SMTM6) [7 Aug — 00:30]
• Heize — You, Clouds, Rain (Feat. Shin Yong Jae) [4 Jul — 14:30]
• G-DRAGON — Untitled, 2014 [12 Jun — 00:30]
• —- Instiz Rule Change (15 May) —-
• IU — Palette (Feat. G-DRAGON) [24 Apr — 1:30]
• IU — Can’t Love You Anymore (Feat. Oh Hyuk) [10 Apr — 00:30]
• IU — Through the Night [27 Mar — 00:30]
• —- Real-Time aggregation change from K-streaming sites (27 Feb) —-
• TWICE — KNOCK KNOCK [21 Feb — 13:30]
• Ailee — I’ll Go To You Like The First Snow(Goblin OST Part 9) [13 Jan — 14:30]
• Kwanghee & Gaeko — Your Night (feat. OH HYUK) (Infinite Challenge) [2 Jan — 14:30]

Too lazy to CnP the rest but you see there’s way more than 3 lol

Holy shit at IU with 4 paks with 4 different songs.

Paks are harder to get now not so ?

As someone mentioned, with YouTube it is going to be very hard if not impossible for ballad singers and Trot singers to get PAKs now in days.

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As someone mentioned, with YouTube it is going to be very hard if not impossible for ballad singers and Trot singers to get PAKs now in days.

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It's actually harder for a singer with small fandom because of youtube chart, but if it goes viral then it will managed to get a PAK, then holding that PAK for a week and get 100PAK+ is reachable.

The cons for idol groups, their song also need to gain support from Korean public, doesn't matter how big your fandom, chart like Melon already been reformed to avoid that zombie stream, so it consider to be luck to land the 1st PAK.

No, it's getting much harder to get paks now unless your song is a hit on all platforms including YouTube (which imo makes it the hardest)

So based on data previously provided by Kreatin, I generated the chart below in order to better visualise the numbers (note: 2022 was excluded since we're still very early into the year):

PAKsByYear.png

Some observations:

• The number of songs achieving a PAK each year has actually been highly variable, with no clear trajectory over time.

• However, the number of PAK hours has definitely witnessed an upward trend. I believe this is largely due to the rise in streaming, which results in more consistent consumption of music compared to downloads (generally a one-time occurrence).

• The average (mean) PAK hours per song saw a huge increase in 2020. I suspect that this was due to Melon's chart reform (which happened in July 2020), as well as the general trend towards streaming. Thus, while it may have been more difficult to achieve a PAK compared to 2016-2018, it was easier to *maintain* a PAK.

• It will be interesting to see how the addition of YouTube to the PAK criteria will impact things going forward.

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So based on data previously provided by Kreatin, I generated the chart below in order to better visualise the numbers (note: 2022 was excluded since we're still very early into the year):

PAKsByYear.png

Some observations:

• The number of songs achieving a PAK each year has actually been highly variable, with no clear trajectory over time.

• However, the number of PAK hours has definitely witnessed an upward trend. I believe this is largely due to the rise in streaming, which results in more consistent consumption of music compared to downloads (generally a one-time occurrence).

• The average (mean) PAK hours per song saw a huge increase in 2020. I suspect that this was due to Melon's chart reform (which happened in July 2020), as well as the general trend towards streaming. Thus, while it may have been more difficult to achieve a PAK compared to 2016-2018, it was easier to *maintain* a PAK.

• It will be interesting to see how the addition of YouTube to the PAK criteria will impact things going forward.

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It is interesting that 2016, the year PAK-Monster did not release anything, had the most songs PAKing.

Quote from wsoet

So based on data previously provided by Kreatin, I generated the chart below in order to better visualise the numbers (note: 2022 was excluded since we're still very early into the year):

PAKsByYear.png

Some observations:

• The number of songs achieving a PAK each year has actually been highly variable, with no clear trajectory over time.

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It correlates more with chart changes than anything else.

Quote from wsoet

So based on data previously provided by Kreatin, I generated the chart below in order to better visualise the numbers (note: 2022 was excluded since we're still very early into the year):

PAKsByYear.png

Some observations:

• The number of songs achieving a PAK each year has actually been highly variable, with no clear trajectory over time.

• However, the number of PAK hours has definitely witnessed an upward trend. I believe this is largely due to the rise in streaming, which results in more consistent consumption of music compared to downloads (generally a one-time occurrence).

• The average (mean) PAK hours per song saw a huge increase in 2020. I suspect that this was due to Melon's chart reform (which happened in July 2020), as well as the general trend towards streaming. Thus, while it may have been more difficult to achieve a PAK compared to 2016-2018, it was easier to *maintain* a PAK.

• It will be interesting to see how the addition of YouTube to the PAK criteria will impact things going forward.

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I think one have to look at what chart chart changes took place for an explanation of they varying numbers over the years

Sharp rise in 2016 has to do with Cyworld and Daum being removed from instiz in 2015.

Then again in 2018 zombie freeze was implemented and number of songs dropped considerably in 2018 and forward and has been pretty consistent since. Much harder for fandoms to line up the charts during night etc.

The huge rise in hours 2020 onwards have several factors...

First: Vibe, a daily chart replaced 2 charts, naver realtime and daily. Lots of instability removed there, much easier to stay at #1 at all hours.

Second: Flo chart was at first a realtime chart, but was remade to a 24h chart in early 2020. Much slower chart, easier to stay at #1 at all hours.

Third: Then the biggest factor of all for more hours: Soribada removed in june/july 2020. This was by far the biggest showstopper for any song getting pak and staying there for any longer period of time as it was dominated by boygroup and trot fandoms.

Fourth: Melon remade into a 24h chart in july 2020. Much slower chart, easier to stay at #1 at all hours.

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It is interesting that 2016, the year PAK-Monster did not release anything, had the most songs PAKing.

Funny how in the easiest year ever to score PAK she didnt release anything..but she kinda overdid it in 2017 having five songs with her name attached to it.

YES. Nobody should be getting PAKS, certainly G-idle should not be getting ANY. It's so STUPID and something is not right, who is giving out these so easily? hellloooo? someone needs to be fired!!