why is everyone against jype debuting new groups?

Cause they just debuted ITZY, they're still new. Focus on them. Just like SM should focus on aespa and YG needs to focus on Treasure and BLACKPINK

they just believe that if new groups debuted, their faves are going to get ignored or get worse treatment by the agency. There is really no rational reason behind it, other than they are being threatened. They don't realize that each group has a different management team.

I don’t get it either. JYP obviously has to step up their game to stay relevant and with Twice potentially not resigning and the ongoing scandals (that might not be true but damaged their reputation a lot) they need to have safety. Bighit or Hybe will also debut a lot of bands and no one bashes an eye

Because people are dumb nowadays.

i get for other companies cuz sm loves to clump all their group comebacks into one month and yg can't even manage one group but I think jyp divides time between each group evenly (at least the girl groups) so i don't really mind. that division idea is the best thing to come out of jyp ever

I don't see the problem either.

hey peachy i've never seen you in the guild in ages. come home sometimes

I'm not against it but I think is a bit soon to debut a new gg maybe in 2 years would be a better idea. Itzy just debuted in 2019 so it's normal that people would expect JYP to focus more on itzy.

No one is against it. People just use it to make fun of ITZY

It divides time, attention and money between more groups.

And no, the division system does not all of a sudden mean JYPE groups are independent of one another or in the markets they function in.

I think the majority of complaints are just from the "WE HATE JYP and ANY GROUP FROM THEM" crowd. They aren't Twice fans, ITZY fans etc...

Even the premise of the article. First Group since ITZY. I mean excuse me but NiziU debuted in 2020 21 months after ITZY and if you actually knew anything at all you would have known that. And none of the groups have really suffered because of the new groups. They have been producing the same amount of content been getting the same amount of promotions etc.

This is especially true of people on AKP who have over half the people that post things on the main news board just being active Trolls who would get banned if they venture into the forums.

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I'm not against it but I think is a bit soon to debut a new gg maybe in 2 years would be a better idea. Itzy just debuted in 2019 so it's normal that people would expect JYP to focus more on itzy.

The time period is just as long as jyp took to debut itzy after twice or miss a after wonder girls. 3 years.

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The time period is just as long as jyp took to debut itzy after twice or miss a after wonder girls. 3 years.

yeah maybe but I don't know why it feels too soon for itzy. SM took a few years to debut aespa and ygngg is probably gonna debut in 1/2 years which is fair imo

I'm not against it though

because some superstans see this:

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when in fact that might not be the case.

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but niziu debuted in 2020 and that didn't hurt itzy's treatment or promotions at all

and by the time this new girlgroup will debut, itzy will be celebrating their 3rd year together

but that was for the Japanese market

I think some are annoyed with how jyp has treated past groups when a new group debuts so are worried current groups may face the same problem and then the rumours that this group is meant to replace twice which means the outcome twice won't renew their contracts It's not really hate to new groups just a lack of faith in what jyp plans to do

I think it's because of how JYP treated GOT7. Fans are worried that when new groups debut, what happened to GOT7 might happen to their faves.

I'm not saying GOT7's treatment was because of newer groups, I'm just saying that they might be some fan's mindset.

We don’t know if the lia issues are true if it’s true it will hurt jyp and if twice some members are resigning jyp will fluctuate so it’s better to debut new groups just incase. They lost got7 day6 potentially gonna disband, stray kids dissing jyp might be got7 case again

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the allkpop articles are filled with ugly comments of hate and insult but there are no comments that mentions any freakin reason why it's so bad. i am fully willing to change my opinion on all of this if there's a logical reason behind all this hate, but currently i see non

Are you referring to the articles on the main AKP site?

Actually, there are a number of hardcore trolls there who seem to have no life, since they're practically in the majority of the articles, always spouting the most negative, toxic stuff someone can come up with.

Some of them have a negative rep of 5k-20k (!!!). And in the rare occasion that some troll account gets closed and banned, another one pops up and continues its toxic rant spamming.

For the life of me, I can't understand why the AKP main site mods and admins leave those toxic chain spammers alone, when they're so easy to find. My guess is that they serve the purpose of raising the comments and views below each article.

The same people complaining and saying “Focus on X group(s)”…. 9/10 don’t even know the members of said group(s), let alone listen to their music, buy their stuff, and actually support them lmfao

I think it is a valid concern because as it is JYP is already overextended resource wise. People will doubt the company's ability to manage properly all these groups as lot of fans believe their current line up aren't being treated well or fairly right now.

Personally I would say wait and see. JYP has a decent coffer, so it's possible that they will expand their management team too and may not become too thin spread.

with so many groups management has to get fuck up and I see many jyp stans or fans of jyp groups complaining so smth has to be wrong there

its like the companie pump groups and trainees without think twice what a whole single groups needs, and more important what each member of each group need for fruitful career

the entire point of JYPE 2.0 was divisions manage the groups independently.

div 1 is NiziU and SKZ

div 2 is ITZY

div 3 is TWICE

div 4 is day6 & NGG

Hope Div4 has improved a lot, because they're the only division to lose 75% of their roster (all female artists) and had the most complaints over mismanagement from basically everybody that's ever been under them

JYPE overall has a pump and dump system to where long term success is irreverent. You'd be hard pressed to find one group they didn't fuck over one way or another. That's why they're throwing out so many groups and don't seem to care at the high rate that artists leave them. It's been said and shown time and time again that they don't have a tolerance from criticism from their own artists or employees. They have the highest turnover rate amongst BE employees and the lowest rating plus they've been quick to silence anybody that speaks up against them

It's not that most people opposed to the new group think JYP is going to take resources from their own faves, it's that they'd rather the company improve it's internal issues overall.

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The Day6 and 2PM ones barely get any promotion, did 2PM have any at all? Take into account beyond SK and Twice in June all are weeks apart and all groups have had large gaps in activity in 2020 and 2021. Got7 stans massively complained about their November comeback since they barely had a teaser period, didn't get any proper promotions and it just felt like an after thought to JYPE?

JYP is only capable of focusing on one or two groups at a time. When they try to push a bunch together or close to each other massive issue with promotion arise as some of these groups share the same staff so focus become divided and that will only get worse with more groups coming.

2pm does they went to some variety shows

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I don't know. I lack faith if we just look at basic management and quality control now it's apparent resources are spread thin. Things I've personally noticed in the last couple of years.

1, production issues with albums. Tons of duplicate cards, low quality packaging, massive stock shortages, Twice Japan singles have astronomically low member pull rates, etc. Got 7's last album packet was a bloody disgrace.

2,scandals/issues being poorly handled. From the Lia situation being a mini mess, the Hyunjin being a big mess all the way to members stalkers, targeted attacks like slave room, members being attacked on planes, etc none of it being dealt with well.

3, plagiarism issues and generally not dedicating enough quality control staff to projects. So we things like the Hanboks, the pulse portal, re-using certain digital assets that other groups already used in their MV's. Using free-to-use assets/stock images in some teaser's and album photo shoots.

And honestly probably a lot more. In 2019 the company supposedly had about 220 employees and according to Google searches they have about 235 now. So as we get more and more groups are we going to see that number rise rapidly? Or are we to expect a company that already is struggling to somehow incorporate 3 new groups into the fold and not see massive issues with the aforementioned pre-existing problems? I don't know.

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Some of the issues in 1 seems kinda outside JYP control per se. It's usually manufacturing and distributor side and they may not have much control there besides choosing better ones next time. The last year's problem may have to do with pandemic as it did cripple these sectors judging from other industries (not just music). If this has been happening for years, I'd just dismiss it as their level of quality for products. Anyway, not really related to having or not more groups, but for leadership in marketing and products not choosing better companies and demanding better quality control.

2 and 3 doesn't seem unique to JYP. I think they handled these quite poorly, but at large it's kinda average compared to the Kpop. I think it is more of a question of quality of leadership there and hiring more or less doesn't matter if the heads are the same anyway. These issues may not be related to scalability. They could just expand their management team for a new group and keep their (poor) quality all the same.

Like I said, these concerns are valid and make sense. However, they have resources (i.e. credit and money), but these issues may be because of the head part and it's just fundamentals that can't be solved if leadership chooses to pocket the profits rather than expanding their resources properly. I rather wait and see even if it obvious that they may overextend their management capabilities.