Where do all the American (USA) IU and Twice fans hide?

    OK, so as the threads that I will link to below have 'proven', IU is irrelevant outside Korea, she may as well get promoted by the nugu promoter accounts that I follow. So knowing that, I figured nobody was going to buy tickets for her concert in my city.


    So I get comfortable and log in to my Ticketmaster account 15 or so minutes before her tickets went on sale, and surprise-surprise, the tickets were sold out by the time it was my turn to buy.


    How is this possible, she sold like 5 albums in the USA for her last comeback, she probably charts as high as Tri.Be on the billboard charts, and yet I could not get tickets, WHY?


    Twice at least sells albums in the USA, so ok, they chart like Pixy but sell albums like NewJeans in the USA, so I get that there may be some people out there that live inside caves, or that come out from under their rocks when Twice has a concert, then they do like the Cicadas and go hibernate for years at a time.


    BUT IU, who in the greatest country in the world has ever heard of IU?

    Where did these people come from? and why did they take my tickets!


    I WANT MY TICKETS!!!!!!!!!!


    Thread
    The collapse of IU invalidates the argument of longevity
    IU's collapse in front of an unknown has created a shockwave, at least in Korea.

    All of her erstwhile allies are now joining the new star, who is now covered by a lot of people who used to cover IU.

    IU might rebound a bit in the next album since she would be aware that her stars are now significantly dimmed, but that will probably be the last hurrah.

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    I have always ridiculed the Korean argument of a 'longer career' for BTS.

    I have calculated that skipping Korea and having 4 years of success…
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    Thread
    The Korean psyche - the reason IU is ahead of BTS in Korea, and Korea only
    although most Koreans claim descent from Yangban, the ruling class, a survey taken on 1910, just after Japan annexed Korea, showed that ot out of 2.89 million households in Chosen (name of Korea during the Japanese rule), only around 54,000 of them belonged to the ruling class, or less that 2%, and the rest were peasants.

    In addition, the ruling , landowning class and the landless class fought for many years, with the landowning class, who were mostly happy with Japanese rule, branding the…
    WhyKnock


    Thread
    Debate of who was more influential, BlackPink or IU - the importance of ignoring Korean opinion on KPpp figures
    With BTS out of picture, there is an argument about who is the most influential after it, BlackPink or IU.

    Virtually everyone outside of Korea will argue that BlackPink was most influential of everyone not named BTS.

    if Kpop had made a complete, irreversible break with Korea, this kind of argument would not even exist. Blackpink would be the Greatest of KPop now, and IU would be some local singer.

    Same reason few people pay attention to the Brazilian soccer league or the baseball leagues of…
    WhyKnock


    Thread
    A huge assault against KPop from IU is about to happen - is KPop ready for it?
    When a huge beast dies, hyenas jump in from nowhere to eat its carcass.

    youtu.be/dzBEeR5iUlw?si=PK8lXkEWe4He7O-l

    KPop's greatest freeloader, doubling as the Greatest Anachronism, the Greatest Isolationist and the Singer who Contributed the Least towards the advance of KPop toward the world, nevertheless is the Senior Singer of KPop , extracting obedience and filial duty from acts such as ZB1

    youtu.be/WIoa4PZ-OhI?si=cHmDUPINIH2kwAFJ

    who never saw the Former Owner of Edam Entertainment even once and …
    WhyKnock


    Thread
    Achievement Comparison - Stray Kids sellng 5 million copies vs IU having a concert in Korea's biggest venue (criticising JYPE's conservative approach)
    Stray Kids had a concert in K-O-R-E-A on Sep 17-18, 2022, in the Gymnastics Arena (no one in K-O-R-E-A calls it with its official name , KSPO dome) , holding 11,000.

    On the same day a 1,343 year old singer had her concert at the Olympic Stadium , holding around 44,000.

    So in K-O-R-E-A, at least, Stray Kids had a drawing power about 1/4 of that of the former owner of Edam Entertainment.

    The mayor of Seoul, Oh Sehoon (yes, his name is the same as a member of EXO - Korean names sometimes have several…
    WhyKnock


    Thread
    The unfortunate fact of IU having had a concert in Korea's biggest venue undermines the K-O-R-E-A-N concerts of various internationally relevant 4th Gen acts
    The concerts of BlackPink in a Thai stadium and Twice in stadiums in Japan and USA open a new chapter in KPop's expansion.

    That shows acts not named BTS can now hold stadium tours.

    But that leaves an uncomfortable shadow, because even to them, and all other acts not named EXO, BTS and NCT, the main stadium in K-O-R-E-A remains elusive. Twice, even now, had to settle for the KSPO dome(the Gymnastics Arena)f in K-O-R-E-A.

    BlackPink, Twice and now aespa, no matter whether they might fill a real…
    WhyKnock


    Thread
    Rolling Stone ranking IU #135, above many other famous names - her long efforts to undermine KPop finally rewarded
    In my opinion, IU's Strawberry Moon is the most significant song of 2021.

    It decided the fate of BTS and aespa.

    IU's victory against aespa led her to the position of the #1 singer in K-O-R-E-A, a significant development which eventually led to the argument of K-O-R-E-A-N incels that BTS didn't even dominate K-O-R-E-A valid, dragging them to the military and effectively ending the BTS empire which enveloped the entire world.

    It also led aespa to take a fans-only direction, away from general public…
    WhyKnock


    Thread
    Kakao finally has a Grand Prize from MAMA - when IVE will replace IU as the premier act of KakaoM?
    IVE of Starship is the first Kakao act, ever, to win a Grand Prize in MAMA.

    Now, Kakao's power politics will significantly change too.

    MAMA is basically the only Grand Prize worth its salt, while MMA continues to shit on itself and Golden Disk not being what it was .

    MAMA is watched by the most people around the world, whether you like or not, while MMA is watched by a bit less people and Golden Disk now an afterthought.

    IVE's Grand Prize from MAMA is, basically, more than anything IU won in other…
    WhyKnock


    Thread
    BTS losing K-O-R-E-A to IU might have been the cause of their fall
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    'BTS is the most consumed K-pop artist in the world, but it turns out that IU even surpassed BTS to be the most popular artist in Korea.'

    I'm shocked you didn't write a history lesson about Koreans choosing domestic singer this year lol
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    WhyKnock


    Thread
    (Philosophical Question) Do the Foreign members of Gidle have a Filial Duty to IU?
    Gidle is one of the acts which did not cover IU's songs. The only member who covered any IU song who is with the group is MIyeon, but that could be excused since she is not from Cube to begin with.

    Other than MIyeon, I found no references of current Gidle members mentioning the Senior Singer. Since their paths do not overlap it is unlikely that they will ever have anything to do with each other.

    However, this time, Gidle's Tomboy, up to its most successful song, is blocked at Melon by Jay Park's…
    WhyKnock


    Thread
    BTS has a concert for 15,000 at the Chamshil Olympic Stadium while IU cancels it.
    (I prefer to use the older spelling and will use it throughout.)

    BTS will have a concert at the Chamshil Olympic Stadium, which normally can house up to 55,000.

    BTS' last concert there had 45,000 for 3 days. (The full capacity is rarely used in concerts because of the stage settings, etc.)

    When it had a concert at the Sofi stadium last December, apparently it filled its 70,000 seats 4 days.

    However, the K-O-R-E-A-N-S , with the law and order candidate Yoon Seokyoul likely to win the Presidential…
    WhyKnock


    Thread
    2014 SNSD-IU Battle - the Final Nemesis of SNSD
    The 2014 battle between SNSD and IU ended with a victory by - IU

    https://www.dkpopnews.net/2014…ation-crown-as-1-and.html

    IU 12.9%
    SNSD 12.4%
    I U wins by 0.5%.

    2014 was the worst year for SM and if MNet did not deny IU her Grand Prize and give her a Lifetime Achievement Award, making her a Senior Singer (which would cause trouble later but that's another story) ,

    KPop would have died there.

    On that year, IU and SNSD were in the media the most, and IU battled EXO for the supremacy of KPop in a very…
    WhyKnock


    Thread
    What is your feeling about IU outliving IZ*One?
    Gabriel Garcia Marquez, famous for writing One Hundred Years of Solitude about a South American family's rise and fall, also wrote The Funeral of Mama Grande (Big Mama in some translations), in 1962.

    Set in the same space with "Solitude", it tells a woman, simply called Mama Grande, who rules a town with an iron fist, destroying any rivals in her watch.

    She ruled the town for as long as anyone could remember, and she outlived all of the Buendias (the family in 'Solitude'). All of the town's…
    WhyKnock


    Thread
    If Laboum's supporters had pushed Aalow Aalow instead of Jouney to Atlantis, Laboum would have humilated IU again
    Out of Laboum's songs, Journey to Atlantis is the best known.

    So, Laboum's supporters began to push that song, which is now at #203 or so in the Melon chart.

    However, the problem with Journey to Atlantis is that it was already somewhat known. Not a major hit, but it was discussed for quite a while, so there was nothing 'new' about that song.

    Aalow Aalow was less known, so it would have created a bigger wave.

    But viditor, the guy who pushed Brave Girls out from dungeon, had posted the video of…
    WhyKnock


    Thread
    Who would have thought that IU is the Last Standing of the 2nd Generation?
    youtube.com/watch?v=wfv9EvUOt0g

    Lee Jieun showed she is the last standing of the 2nd generation.

    I mean, Lee Jieun fought the giants of Kpop from 2010, and for 11 years which is like an eternity in KPop, all these acts wanted Lee Jieun out of action because she was the only one not following the rules of KPop,

    but , as the only soloist of note (others were famous for some time but only Lee Jieun has held on for 11 years), she has always had some following from K-O-R-E-A.

    Her biggest crisis was on…
    WhyKnock

    For the record, this isn't surprising, at all, especially if you follow her career and her fandom closely. Her fans in Canada are one of the biggest, probably. I can't even remember how many times they did huge fundraisings and many other things. We would be here all day if I write it all down. And don't forget, IU is not just a singer, she's an actress, too.


    Her Billboard charts proved many times over the years that she doesn't need to do massive PR overseas. I mean, look at her numbers. Some of her stats are better than the colored group's. She's not in the HOT100, because she never did a PR in the US, but that's all, basically.


    Also, don't forget, the LOUD MINORITY don't represent the whole community!


    IU | Biography, Music & News | Billboard


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    Nuff said, I think.


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    Should have added some more dates. But i also understand why they started with less dates.

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    Currently if a kpop concert comes to city, many kpop fans will go to it. That's because there are not really that many kpop concerts happening.


    However in 2 years time, when there is going to be a kpop concert every 2nd week in the bigger cities, kpop fans are going to be more picky, and only go if its their faves or its one of the big acts.

    Quote from Person01

    So WhyKnock was saying nonsense all these years?


    I read so many essays for nothing...

    Mentioning people talking nonsense.


    what ever happened to HardcoreBLINK ??????


    I have not seen him/her around for a while.

    Quote from K-PL

    Currently if a kpop concert comes to city, many kpop fans will go to it. That's because there are not really that many kpop concerts happening.


    However in 2 years time, when there is going to be a kpop concert every 2nd week in the bigger cities, kpop fans are going to be more picky, and only go if its their faves or its one of the big acts.

    There got to be some fame to the group, my faves could not even sell out a bingo hall of 600 people capacity back in 2023.

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    Quote from K-PL

    Currently if a kpop concert comes to city, many kpop fans will go to it. That's because there are not really that many kpop concerts happening.


    However in 2 years time, when there is going to be a kpop concert every 2nd week in the bigger cities, kpop fans are going to be more picky, and only go if its their faves or its one of the big acts.

    This is a good point. It seems most people who go to K-pop concerts are multistans.

  • AllKill VIP

    Once again touring proves it's more relevant than album sales and charting.


    NewJeans are probably terrified to announce a world tour. If every show doesn't sell out in 5 minutes they will look like flops.

  • AllKill VIP
    Quote from Drew_B

    Once again touring proves it's more relevant than album sales and charting.


    NewJeans are probably terrified to announce a world tour. If every show doesn't sell out in 5 minutes they will look like flops.

    I like how you used Once in the beginning.

    They make shit for pennies with album sales or whatever YT/Circle bla bla sales.


    The money is and always will be in tours.

    Quote from alexS

    I like how you used Once in the beginning.

    They make shit for pennies with album sales or whatever YT/Circle bla bla sales.


    The money is and always will be in tours.

    Yep TVXQ are probably the second richest group after BTS cause of their touring throughout the years especially in Japan.


    They didn't build that wealth on their declining album sales since Mirotic album.

    Quote from K-PL

    Currently if a kpop concert comes to city, many kpop fans will go to it. That's because there are not really that many kpop concerts happening.


    However in 2 years time, when there is going to be a kpop concert every 2nd week in the bigger cities, kpop fans are going to be more picky, and only go if its their faves or its one of the big acts.

    The myth of the casual fan that goes to any kpop concert, unless they are nugu.


    We solve the puzzle.

  • AllKill VIP
    Quote from Drew_B

    Yep TVXQ are probably the second richest group after BTS cause of their touring throughout the years especially in Japan.


    They didn't build that wealth on their declining album sales since Mirotic album.

    exactly. Why do you think most of them are worth millions of dollars net.

    There's exactly three things:

    Touring, Brand deals, CF's (in that exact order)


    That's it. That is where the money is from.

    The rest is to pay the staff and so forth.

    Quote from alexS

    I like how you used Once in the beginning.

    They make shit for pennies with album sales or whatever YT/Circle bla bla sales.


    The money is and always will be in tours.

    And becoming influences.


    There is a lot of money to be made now in days convincing poor people to buy luxury items.

  • AllKill VIP
    Quote from Drew_B

    Once again touring proves it's more relevant than album sales and charting.


    NewJeans are probably terrified to announce a world tour. If every show doesn't sell out in 5 minutes they will look like flops.

    This.


    Although I love NJS, if they both come to town and money is limited, it'll be IU over NJs.


    I can watch NJS when they come back.


    IU's an institution, her songs iconic.

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    I don’t think people understand how K-pop fans in real life operate. K-pop fans in real life are multistans. They don’t spend their lives exclusively stanning their favorites and seeing every other K-pop artist as a threat, fighting over metrics and bulk buying to defeat other groups.


    People from every fandom are going to see IU because she is IU.


    People hate on casual fans and multis, but we’re the ones out here doing actual work to support these artists and really bonding with other fans over our shared interest.

    This isn't the time for NJ, yet. They have like 20 songs? Their first World Tour will happen in 2026, probably. If HYBE is smart, they will do it before BTS comes back.


    I don't know what the hell I'm going to do, btw, because IU is coming to Europe too, 1 MONTH after Wheein, and Moonbyul is coming to Europe as well, probably. I have to chose, but this is Mission Impossible. 🤣


    Quote from superyeah

    I don’t think people understand how K-pop fans in real life operate. K-pop fans in real life are multistans. They don’t spend their lives exclusively stanning their favorites and seeing every other K-pop artist as a threat, fighting over metrics and bulk buying to defeat other groups.


    People from every fandom are going to see IU because she is IU.


    People hate on casual fans and multis, but we’re the ones out here doing actual work to support these artists and really bonding with other fans over our shared interest.

    Preach!✝️

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    now I have to wait and buy the dvd/bluray concerts version. "Money wins all" 😭

    Probably that's what I'm going to do, because I can't see IU and my Mamamoo members too, and all 4 of them will do a World Tour this year. I'M 100% sure that IU will do another World Tour, but I don't think MMM members will.


    And this is me after 2024!🤣

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    And this is me after 2024!🤣

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    You wish, if European sales go like USA sales, you may not even get the chance to go broke buying IU tickets.

    Quote from BEG4DAWIN

    You wish, if European sales go like USA sales, you may not even get the chance to go broke buying IU tickets.

    Honestly, right now, I'm not even planning, because I can't go 3 or 4 different concert. I'm not worried about the tickets, because in Europe I can get tickets thanks to my connections, but I still have to pay the same price. Honestly, as much as LOVE her, there's a much better chance to see her live again in the next couple of years, but I don't think I can say the same about Mamamoo members.

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    Quote from David33

    Preach!✝️

    My respect for you increased tenfold for seeing and saying it how it is!


    Casual fans and multifans deserve more respect. I know none of the fandoms on AKP will ever see me as their own, but I’m really putting in the work to promote their faves’ work by recommending songs, putting people onto the artists, and plugging K-pop every chance I get. All this beefing with each other is pointless because the real end goal is to be on par with western artists, to tour in American stadiums and arenas, and to just have a good time. Whether it’s BTS or some nugu, it’s a W.

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    American Twice fans are not known for hiding, so I'm not sure what we have to do with this.


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    That is why I added twice, like where do all those people come from?


    They are obviously not streaming Twice. but when Twice comes to town, they gobble up all the tickets.

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