I believed we could all have an open dialogue about this despite any differences, and I'm willing to hear others' perspective so we can actually get somewhere.
I was able to get that after that talking to some users. That was all I wanted in the end.
I understand this is your way of defending me, but I don't think it's ideal for getting anywhere positive. I'm all about solutions.
You can nitpick about it all you want, but I challenged alexS about it as soon as I saw it.
What do you mean "immediately"? I'm not here all the time, and I saw his post significantly later. After I spoke to him about it, he stopped.
He's "conveniently missing right now" because he's not online. Hours have past. Half a day or so? We don't have the convenience of speaking in real time, so some things are going to be delayed.
So if you "scolded " all these problematic people who TRULY went overboard PRIVATELY, what gave you the right to blast and gang up on tic PUBLICLY like that? Do you even understand how bad your words are? Do you even understand the level of nasty behavior you showed today? How old are you to be this emotional and unable to control yourself?
And no, I don't feel like your words were misunderstood, we are not stupid thank you very much, you are just dropping the ball because people called you out. If you had few more people agreeing with you and Alex, God knows what nonsense you would be saying now.
I thought it was more effective to call it out publicly because she went at me publicly. I didn't feel like talking to her privately because I know how she is when it comes to disagreements.
And just to be clear, when I "scolded" those other people for their behavior, there were times when I did it publicly as well. I also brought up their contradictions and put them on "blast."
You can believe what you want to believe about my intentions, but I only wanted to stand up for certain users, including female users. It was poorly executed and escalated the situation, and I admit fault when it comes to that.
A final addition. Women and men view misogyny differently, same for things like sexual harassment, slut shaming and body shaming, because we don't have the same experiences and we don't experience these things in the same manner or to the same extent and frequency. So a man's opinion on misogyny and what makes another man creepy or "weird" to a woman doesn't really matter and is meaningless to us. Just because you think a man friend of yours is a nice person doesn't mean that we as woman have to agree or should feel the same way. There are nuances that you'll never detect the way we do. And just as a disclaimer, I'm not saying this about bartkun in particular (because although I don't particularly like him, I don't know him well either), I'm just speaking in general about how ridiculous it's for you, a man, to act like you should have the final say on which behaviours or which male users we as women should be confortable with and give the benefit of doubt.
I spoke to butterbutterfly about this in DMs, and I agree.
I didn't think it would be perceived as me defending other men or any specific man. I saw it as me making sure no other users, men or women, get wrongly looped into that category of despicable behavior (shaming women for what they wear).
But now I understand how it comes across to some.
I understand why you and others didn't want to be more direct about it.
Ironically, I spoke about this before — that men shouldn't get too defensive when women vent about men. I initially didn't see how this could apply to the situation because I was more focused on dropping that reminder to prevent misunderstandings between users, but now I do. That was a learning moment for me.
How typical of men to threatene women whenever they decide to speak their experiences and their opinions. What this makes even funnier is that they are having such ridiculous threats. Wdym you are grown ass man who might be close to his 30s and you are threatening someone that you will delete their virtual fandom guild? This is so ridiculous that my brain can't process this???
I need to backread
Look how I privately scolded pedophiles, raging misogynists and racists, while I put a woman, who called out misogyny, on a blast and let my fellow mod threaten her for that 🫶
After seeing that, I told @/alexS to refrain from unnecessarily bringing up "mod abilities." It's silly. There's no need for all that. If we're discussing an issue using words, we're going to resolve it by using words.
You can ask @/Ves or @/crystalblues about the times I've argued with @/alexS about things he said.
At this point, I'm not trying to disagree. I feel that my initial words in this thread were misunderstood given the optics of the situation, but I thought I had the right intentions going into this.
People make generalised offensive statements about boy group fangirls all the time in here, we literally had a mod make an ignorant generalising comment in this exact same thread about women "from a certain ethnic and religious background", blaming them for all the hate Jennie's getting, but the line gets drawn at dishing the same energy at male fans. Never have I ever seen any of these 2 mods dress down a user verbally in this agressive and agitated manner and we had literal pedophiles, raging misogynists and racists in this forum before. Just in the past 24h a male user defending paedophilia got banned but even he didn't get a verbal dressing down publicly from the mods. The misogyny and hypocrisy jumped right out.
My intention was not to blame them, but to say that it's okay for them to have their different opinions about Jennie's outfit as long as they don't shame her for it. It was a call to consider the fact that a lot of users come from different backgrounds.
I never said that everyone who comes from a conservative background would think the same way. It's just a plausible explanation for why they might.
But you're going to perceive my words differently given the nature of this discussion. I get that. If there was a way to clarify what I meant or to rephrase what I wrote, I would have done it.
You haven't seen my DMs in which I scolded the "pedophiles, raging misogynists, and racists." I tend to do that before permanently banning them. I've done it in threads from time to time, but you just haven't seen it.
I'm not trying to disagree here. I'm really trying to hear you out while also clarifying some things.
So, that's even funnier when i answered this thread first and I said SOME USERS HERE in this thread so what's the deal with acting like just tic did it? And going as far as acting like she is the demon herself?
So what some users got out of this forum bc of her? A lot got out bc of staff, bc of me, bc of the owner, bc of you, bc of others users, etc. Nobody involved in this issue is a saint, everybody did something that others thought "I don't want to deal with them" so it's not nice how you are trying to put this problematic image on her when you know the power you hold in this forum neither was not nice all that Hanni quotes and even less saying how others complained about her. The last one was unprofessional imo and it proved nothing about the issue here.
I'll tell you the issue here MALES WHO THINK TALKING ABOUT FEMALES BODY, CLOTHES, ETC ARE RIGHT. Either be part of the debated issue and say your opinion or stop acting like no name users lawyer bc while I understand your concern, you are acting hostile towards another user. And I didn't expect it from you.
If you went back, you'd see that I dropped a general reminder. I wasn't singling out just tic. She was the one who saw my reminder and came at me, making it about something it's not and attacking me for it.
I had the right to clarify and defend myself. I give users the benefit of the doubt all the time, even when they've been disrespectful to me. I don't hold grudges, especially if it seems like they've changed, which is why I've been kind to her even if we've had smaller spats in the past.
I don't think she remembers, but I even defended her in Yama's thread because I agreed with her point.
Superyeah isn't a saint, he is nice sometimes, but being too nice isn't a compliment nowadays when he is willing to @ users (which is against the rules) and bring past issues to prove his point which proved nothing tbh bc total different issues and people changing their minds about kpop dramas isn't shameful, rather if he is sooooo nice he would just think "oh, tic now is on Hanni side, cool", but nope he did "ok, so you are here calling out problematic men but you also had a problematic view and boom" so as a mod what he did was humiliated towards tic imo. Bartkun isn't innocent, he is ok I think, his intention? Idk, but it obviously didn't lead to a nice thread BUT who is surprised?? Nobody...
And you found this thread days later, exactly, why revive it now? Just to warn users to not mess with staff?? AlexS.. you are being biased and taking offense in something that wasn't aimed at you. All parts involved are adults, they talked it out and moved on, you don't need to be here "threatening" users bc your friends said what they wanted and got the same attitude back to them.
At the end of the day, I'm just standing up for the users who've been bullied by this individual.
I brought up specific posts she made in the past because they indicate that she can also be very elitist and backwards about women's autonomy.
If Hanni feels like she can speak at the National Assembly, she should. They invited her, so she participated. It's that simple.
If Lisa wants to perform at Western award shows, she should. Why would it be "embarrassing"? It's just entertainment, and she's fulfilling her role as an entertainer. I've talked about this numerous times. K-pop fans need to stop having this condescending attitude towards idols who want to try something new and different that doesn't harm anyone.
I have a good memory when it comes to things users said. I really try to understand all perspectives when I read these discussions and debates about K-pop, so if there's a contradiction, I notice it quickly. I remembered these moments, so I went back to them and pointed them out. That's all.
You haven't seen it the way I do because you haven't had to resolve conflict between this person and others. If you did, you would understand. This is why the whole team, including female admins and mods, can empathize with me on this.
Wait, superyeah made all that @, bringing another issue about tic bc of bartkun?
I know this shouldn't be ressuscited, BUT no name was dropped? Why take offense in something so unnecessary? Nothing tic said was wrong, some male do or participate in countless fancams threads where we can see barely adult idols with super sexy clothes and it wasn't a problem, but suddenly an actual adult doing it on her own will is omg!! Noooo!
And like you say countless times which I agree to some extent "the thread could be made out of sincere concern, but it's an open invitation to problematic views" so rather then finding fault at one answer, we should ask "why was this thread made? Was it really necessary to make it? Based on akp past, how would users react?" and it didn't take many pages to see why mem shouldn't be opening their mouths about women clothes and I'm not a man hater, but I'm a free woman who lived and lives with men who think their opinions are that important, but they aren't.
You can say tic was aggressive towards superyeah, but so was him with all the hanni drama. If you will answer her about this issue be fair and call out the other part that also did wrong.
Now even Seulgiabs opened their mouth to say shit, this thread is an open invitation to problematic men. End.
It wasn't specifically in defense of bartkun. It was in defense of all the users who commented before tic made her initial comment in this thread. All users except for @/poteto.
You said it shouldn't be a problem because "no name was dropped," but this is actually the issue I'm trying to get at.
She can't just come into a thread and make a serious accusation about "some users on this thread" without specifying whom. You have no idea about how much disturbing stuff I've had to see when moderating this forum, and I'm not just talking about fanwars. I take these matters seriously, so I don't appreciate it when someone comes in and drops a serious accusation against "some users on this thread."
Yes, there are despicable men like that in the world, but there's nothing to suggest anyone who responded before her actually fit this description.
Do you see what I'm getting at?
She's been hostile to even those within her own guild and fandom, and I can't let that go unchecked as someone who wants to resolve conflict in this place.
If there's an issue regarding a specific user, my team and I will deal with it. Dropping baseless accusations towards unnamed users in a thread doesn't solve anything.
If anyone wants to vent about despicable men who slut-shamed Jennie, they can make a thread about it. I would support that. But don't do that in another person's thread by saying "some users on this thread" where innocent users have commented.
Womansplaining : 7 pages of clothes and male mods harassing and defaming a woman who doesn't like them 💀
You all should have seen the entirely deranged post super yeah wrote about ISaidISaid . Apparently even other mods thought it was too deranged they deleted it alongside my response to it.
Actually, I was the one who moved my own post and your response to it because I figured it was best we let our emotions simmer down before discussing this further. But now that we're back at it, I've moved the posts back for context.
You can keep using that buzzword "deranged" if you wish, but I'm really just trying to stand up for the innocent users this person repeatedly expressed so much hostility towards. I don't appreciate that she came in here and dropped very serious accusations towards who knows whom. I take those matters seriously, so I don't like how she diminishes.
She specifically said "some people on this thread." So who are they? Let me know so I can deal with them. Keep in mind that I hadn't even said anything in this thread before her comment, so I didn't feel attacked or called out because I was not "some people on this thread."
As a mod, I take these things seriously. If you want me to deal with someone, you better be specific about whom you're talking about.
Because for all I know, I already dealt with @/poteto in accordance to how our team handles such offensive "jokes."
I did not see any other users fitting the "some people on this thread," so I thought it was inflammatory of her.
She can directly come at users who clearly expressed troublesome views all she wants. I have no problems with that. I've seen it and even supported her at times.
Just you can see I moved the posts:
I had already moved this post back into this thread, but here it is in case you want to see it:
I love their whole discography. Happy to see your appreciation for "CLIK CLAK"! That song didn't deserve the hate train it got.
Sounds like one of Chungha's vogueing songs! I know PD Rado worked on "Algorithm" for Chungha, so it seems like he gave STAYC the same sound for this comeback.
I agree! I'm glad you enjoy it, too.
Also, Eunchae was doing the Music Bank outro line along with Minju. 
She turned to her members and laughed.
bartkun LE SSERAFIM didn't perform yet, did they?
Here for LE SSERAFIM! I love "HOT" and its choreo.
This song is a bop. It's simple yet catchy. The members' voices sound great together here. Easy to listen to.
It would have benefited from a bridge and a rap verse.
It does! It sits right next to "OTT" if we're talking vibes.
