le sserafims three non-produce members are a lot more popular than ive’s

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Starship has never been great at promoting individual members

They have more than 10 years of terrible track record to prove that.

They have always just cared about making music making music they don't care about individual popularity

Or maybe the non produce members of ive aren't as standout or iconic as pesserrafim's non produce members

Where's Sakura?

Anyway, Bsh is obviously behind this and he did a good job of ensuring that Lsf members got their own individual promotion and continuous hype from kpop fans, and to some extent, from the public. So, it's not surprising.

I'm actually more curious about who's more popular individually between those three Ive members and Newjeans members.

That makes ive outdoing le sera something even more pathetic tbh

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That makes ive outdoing le sera something even more pathetic tbh

only in kr and hybe's goal is global anyway. lsf are still doing good in kr though.

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That makes ive outdoing le sera something even more pathetic tbh

IVE has Wonyoung though so she really carries the group. But Starship really shouldnt depend on just one member for popularity. They should let the other members shine too

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only in kr and hybe's goal is global anyway. lsf are still doing good in kr though.

Dayum Ive seems to be performing better than lsf even internationally

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IVE has Wonyoung though so she really carries the group. But Starship really shouldnt depend on just one member for popularity. They should let the other members shine too

Lsf has members like sakura and all the other members were glazed a lot too but one girl and her back up dancers still ended up outdoing them 😭😭😭

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Dayum Ive seems to be performing better than lsf even internationally

Lsf has members like sakura and all the other members were glazed a lot too but one girl and her back up dancers still ended up outdoing them 😭😭😭

I need you to prove this friend because last time i checked, they are doing better than ive.

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Lsf has members like sakura and all the other members were glazed a lot too but one girl and her back up dancers still ended up outdoing them 😭😭😭

You are shading both Le sserafim and IVE at the same time. Why?

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I need you to prove this friend because last time i checked, they are doing better than ive.

In what way?

If we let the views speak than Ive is outperforming them. Btw this is despite Hybe going all out promoting the gap and each members.

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You are shading both Le sserafim and IVE at the same time. Why?

I’m just speaking the truth man 🤷 and you were the one insinuating that and I said despite that being the case they are still outdoing lsf

Yunjin has a fun cool girl personality, eunchae is likable and they have marketed them well so yeah

In Ive you barely get any promo for other girls but whenever I have seen rei's clips she instantly catches my attention. Its poor marketing and maybe less financial backing on starship part nothing much

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IVE has Wonyoung though so she really carries the group. But Starship really shouldnt depend on just one member for popularity. They should let the other members shine too

only one member? Yujin literally exist and she is the second most popular between 4th gen idols actually

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only one member? Yuyin literally exist and she is the second most popular between 4th gen idols actually

Welp, I have never heard anyone named Yuyin in Ive. Thanks, I learned something new today

Wonyoung clears lesserfirm combine so it doesn't matter

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Welp, I have never heard anyone named Yuyin in Ive. Thanks, I learned something new today

typo fixed you know who I meant anyway

If you look at instagram followers, every single member of lsf or aespa individually have more followers than the total of all the &friends combined. Every single member of njs would too, if they had instagrams.

Even each member of itzy who opened their instagrams about 1 week ago, have more followers than the &friend members.

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why is that so 🤔🤔 considering wonyoung and yujin clear chaewon and kazuha in terms of popularity any day any time

kazuha, yunjin, eunchae and even ex member garam made a lot more noise compared to liz and girls (honestly i can’t recall their names other than liz who is the only one who stands out imo often even more than the izone girls)

Rei has her own YouTube show.

Gaeul was popular for a while in korea.

Only among intl Kpop fans tho

In Korea it goes like:

1. Leeseo/Liz

2. Eunchae (cuz of her MC gig)

WALL

3. Gaeul

4. Rei/Yunjin/Kazuha

And isn't Rei also more popular than Kazuha in Japan?

Yeah they also have a rigged in one too:)

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IVE has Wonyoung though so she really carries the group. But Starship really shouldnt depend on just one member for popularity. They should let the other members shine too

IVE has two extremely popular members, the rest are moderately popular just not on Wonyoung and Yujin level but to be fair izone girlies are also hardly more popular than these 2.

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Liz???

? She is always trending on theqoo/pann for her visuals

Hybe stans obviously... In Korea Ive clears. All of them went viral there and Rei is the only idol in the cover of Vogue Japan besides Lisa. In fact IVE got plenty viral tweets in Japan too, one of Gaeul got 100k likes.

produce members?

non-produce members?

pfftttt Garam's more popular than the 11 of them combined!!!

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Honestly, Le Sserafim has the strongest sense of individuality of any group from the 4th gen. The non-izone girls arguably have a stronger presence than the Izone members

Especially Yunjin & Chaewon are stars

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Honestly, Le Sserafim has the strongest sense of individuality of any group from the 4th gen. The non-izone girls arguably have a stronger presence than the Izone members

chaewon is an izone member!!

Facts...

Which 3 non-produce members does Le Sserafim have?

Sakura, Chaewon & Yunjin are the Produce members. Kazuha & Eunchae are the non produce members.

Am I missing something?

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She's one of their best performers but idk not as strong of a character to me?

Yunjin: the hot one

Kazuha: the jock

Eunchae: the cute one

Idk what to say about Sakura or Chae tbh

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idk enough about their characters, i only watch their performances and to me she stands out the most along with yunjin!! i’d say she’s the charismatic one 😉 she’s a chameleon too

kazuha = the ballerina*

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Which 3 non-produce members does Le Sserafim have?

Sakura, Chaewon & Yunjin are the Produce members. Kazuha & Eunchae are the non produce members.

Am I missing something?

It seems that people forget that Yunjin was in PD48 (Under Pledis), I guess she did not make a big impact in the show, that was probably one of the reasons she was eliminated.

Starship also had a girl in the show that was eliminated, but she did not end up making IVE Cho Kahyeon.

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Rei has her own YouTube show.

Gaeul was popular for a while in korea.

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Damn, Rei has her own YouTube channel?! I didn't even know.

I think that just shows how shit Starship is at promoting the IVE members individually. I think HYBE has done an exceptional job of promoting the LSFM girls. From allowing Yunjin to release solo music, having Eunchae be a music show host, and capitalizing off of Kazuha's instant popularity by getting her some really trendy brand deals.

When IVE first debuted, Leeseo was was just as talked about as Wonyoung and Yujin. She's kind of young, but if Starship had gotten her more individual exposure, she would probably be just as popular or more popular than Eunchae, who was the least popular LSFM member up until she got her MC gig and cemented herself as THE 4th gen maknae.

I also feel like Gaeul, Rei, and Liz had their times to shine too, but again, Starship didn't really focus on promoting them. And since then, new groups have debuted and dispersed that massive popularity IVE had upon debut (except for Wonyoung and Yujin who are still going strong).

I also think that LSFM has a huge advantage with international fans because their music and styling appeals a lot to Western fans, so the members probably appear more relevant and popular to international fans since they have not only massive popularity in Korea (along with IVE), but they also have a bigger appeal to Western fans as well.

In 2024, each Le Sserafim members are very trendy and popular.

1) Yunjin WAS on produce48. She should be out of scope for this discussion

2) Mind you, LIZ has gotten the most cheers (both loudest and longest) in recent concerts. Louder cheers than Wonyoung and Yujin. Liz does have a strong fanbase + she ocassionally go viral for her visuals

3) kazuha is well-known for her visual at debut era + her ballet background BUT she never has many hardcore fans. Instead, she is the least-biased member in LSRF. Her photocard value in both KR and JP are the lowest (by this i mean really LOW, almost to unwanted level. E.g. ssamkura at 5000, her could be at 800 yen only). In contrast, Rei which is also Japanese, is super popular with fans in Japan (her PC price is 2nd highest in the group). PC prices are one of the good indicator to gauge hardcore fanbase, another is followers.

4) Gaeul had her viral moment with After Like.

5) Eunchae's hype slowly fade away recently. Her popularity somehow went down and nowadays not many people bias her anymore. Not sure what happened. Her recent lack of screentime + lines in Easy will likelu exacerbate this trend.

With the above, i wouldnt say LSRF's non produce members are more popular than IVE's. They are on par imo

Idk why y'all keep denying it, Sharship doesn't promote the other members well enough and that's facts. Compared with NewJeans, every single member got a brand deal with a well known fashion brand. Le Sserafim, Eunchae is a mf MC. Yunjin releases her own songs.
Rei's self written raps are so good, she could surely release some. Liz is so damn beautiful, and I mean that, she is prettier than any Le sserafim member IMO. They could definitely get her some deal with a makeup brand or skincare brand to let her showcase her beauty. And what about Gaeul? I never see her anywhere? Never talked about in any news articles. I don't have X/Twitter, so if she trends there, idk about it.