Do you really think Jyp limiting solo activities because of Miss A and Suzy?

that is the general consensus...for most of their GG from twice onwards - Itzy, Niziu, nmixx they did not have much individual activities at all (to my knowledge)

for twice since this year (the contract renewal yer) they've probably had more individual activities than their previous six years combined...

is it because of suzy and miss A - I have no idea since I'm not JYP but there certainly seems to fit the situation

jyp has no fashion sense

Has been discussed in detail before and the answer is and always will be no

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The Miss A fallacy with regards to solo promotions at JYPE

So when it comes to JYPE and solo promotions the favourite phrase from kpop/Twice fans is "they don't want another Miss A" and for me this reason has barely ever held, so the fact that it keeps getting regurgitated with no-one thinking about it is odd to me.

You look through the career of the Miss A members and most got solo promotions, some even more than Suzy pre-debut. People only seem to remember Suzy's just because of her blowing up post Architecture 101 so ended up with the biggest/best…

stan12345

Aug 23rd 2021

If any act at JYPE is even partly the reason for the lack of solo work it's probably Twice.

I think that's just the excuse people provided for jyp

There are tons of groups who remained successful despite one member becoming more popular. Astro and aoa comes to mind.

when a group has 4 comebacks per year including japanese ones, there is no space for individual activities. And this is twice from 2019-2021. 2017 and 2018 is just considered abuse of labor

plus these are company products. and these companies don't see value in solo. Use and throw for seven years is a better method to keep the company healthy. Only yg operates differently. And they are the least valuable company out of big 4 for a reason.

Miss A was a successful group tho, they just never had much a fandom. Not only that but Suzy was one of their main breadwinners during their most difficult years.

The main problem with Miss A imo was the fucked pay distribution.

JYP got very lucky with Suzy and over the last few years they've proved their ineptitude to handle soloists period, not just group solos. They've completely eliminated their acting agency and nearly every single soloist they've had has left and hit bigger outside the company.

JYP is just the problem as they're centered around bleeding a group dry for profit, not being a legitimate agency that builds up their artists

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honestly Miss A is distant past

they've debuted in 2010

we are in 2022

JYP had TWICE, ITZY, NiziU, and now NMIXX since then

my take on this is that the younger the group the earlier those individual activities will come

maybe it will change but to date I'm yet to see much individual activities from itzy, niziu nor nmixx

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Miss A was a successful group tho, they just never had much a fandom. Not only that but Suzy was one of their main breadwinners during their most difficult years.

I agree miss A was a successful group that didn't have a big fandom but JYPark is on record saying that 2PM earned more money than Suzy

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The main problem with Miss A imo was the fucked pay distribution.

JYPE's pay distribution has not changed where a portion of Individual Earnings are shared with the Group while the income distribution for the group is between 30% - 50% of their profit which is standard. TWICE are definitely under the same deal. The other thing is that JYPE Artists earn money starting from their debut which is not normal for Kpop Companies where their Artist have to first pay off the debt

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JYP got very lucky with Suzy and over the last few years they've proved their ineptitude to handle soloists period, not just group solos. They've completely eliminated their acting agency and nearly every single soloist they've had has left and hit bigger outside the company.

So according to reports, Suzy was scouted in a Public Toilet (Facilities), so it started with Luck. During her Trainee Years she was promoted by JYPE where she did CFs. As the Visual, she was typically promoted by JYPE for Television and Variety which eventually led her to her role in Architect 101. She became the Nation's First Love due to the role but her personalities isn't much different to the Girl Next Door.

Everything has an element of Luck, the only successful JYPE Soloist has been Bi, when he was at JYPE and when he left. There has been no Soloist from JYPE since then that has so far been more successful than they were in JYPE.

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JYP is just the problem as they're centered around bleeding a group dry for profit, not being a legitimate agency that builds up their artists

There isn't a Kpop Company that won't bleed the group for profits, JYPE's income distribution means that if the Artist earns money then they are going to get paid a chunk of it. So while the fantasy of "building up an Artist" is a romantic notion, it puts no money in the Artists pocket. Especially when the Company is spending money on training the Artist.

Whether we like it or not, the reality that our biases' talents will be seen is less likely when they are in a Kpop Company and just being brutal, are we really going to follow them if they become street buskers

It worked for a decade it will not will for groups like Itzy and NMIXX.

Again the JYP ass lickers.

in twice, only nayeon and jihyo can sing decently the other members suck

they all mostly cant act too. they only know how to act cute in front of their old male fans

lacking any other reason, that does seem to be the most probable.

maybe cause the miss A members re not close and not contact with suzy ...even fenzi said jype dont care about them as group

Jyp didn't wish this problem with their others groups...maybe jype should give individuels schedules at each members no only one person.

I have seen ex miss A said jyp had give individuels schedules at the other members in debut but they were not popular as suzy even that ..the general public prefer suzy over the other members...

Im surprised by that ,i thought sakura is mega popular over chaewon and yujin (i know wonyoung is one most popular idol in 4gen)all this members have individuels schedules yet general public dont care much about them .I thought asleast sakura will have 20 % votes...

If you have not it factor or not rreally interesting ,the People will dont care about you

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I agree miss A was a successful group that didn't have a big fandom but JYPark is on record saying that 2PM earned more money than Suzy

"One of the main bread winners" not THE main bread winner

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JYPE's pay distribution has not changed where a portion of Individual Earnings are shared with the Group while the income distribution for the group is between 30% - 50% of their profit which is standard. TWICE are definitely under the same deal. The other thing is that JYPE Artists earn money starting from their debut which is not normal for Kpop Companies where their Artist have to first pay off the debt

Miss A was originally getting all of Suzy's solo income was getting divided amongst the members while the Chinese members could keep their income from their work at home. They changed it towards the end to where they were taking a significant lesser amount.

SM and YG don't have that same set up.

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Everything has an element of Luck, the only successful JYPE Soloist has been Bi, when he was at JYPE and when he left. There has been no Soloist from JYPE since then that has so far been more successful than they were in JYPE.

Yerin Baek released her most successful hit as soon as she left JYP, hit again with Crash Landing on You OST, was one of the first female soloists to do a 360 stage in Korea and is on world tour right now.

JYP had her performing at festivals and rarely let her release the music she wanted.

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So while the fantasy of "building up an Artist" is a romantic notion, it puts no money in the Artists pocket. Especially when the Company is spending money on training the Artist.

I'm honestly not sure how you managed to so wildly misunderstand what I mean by "building up an artist" but I was referring to solo work, endorsements and roles. The things that very much put money in the artist's pocket and also ensure a longer career in the industry than simply being an idol group member

Twice was the biggest 3rd generation girl group but their peers are wildly ahead of them both individually and as a group at this point because JYP spent years refusing so many good opportunities for the girls. A group by itself can only enjoy a few years of public attention sheerly because of the groups identity, solo recognition is a necessity.

An agency is supposed to work for the artist to make them as successful as possible and the artist in turn gives up a portion of it's earnings in return.

JYP artists work for the company but the company does not do nearly enough for their artists.

Out of all the Big 3 agencies, JYP has the least sustainable system in place and the worst renewal rate amongst artists. Their groups fall off the fastest and have the least recognition from the public

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Many fans have complained that Jype is limiting the individual activities for fear of what happened to Miss A happening again. But, didn't Suzy get bigger than her group because of her acting career? I don't think as far as being a Brand ambassador or going through individual Cfs will affect the performance of a group and it actually give more benefits for the group to be better known. As long as they don't let their artists act, I don't see any problem there if they really don't want to repeating Miss A's history. Noot stopping the individual activity completely. So, no I don't think it's because of what happened to Miss A, they probably have other reasons.

The situation is not as simple as you are making it sound. How is a group going to operate when the member who trained for a few months blows up to super star level and the other three who trained for 6 years can walk out in a busy street and not get noticed. Out of all groups JYP had Miss A was the biggest mess so its understandable if he is scarred and trying everything to not repeat that mistake. Thats why every group after Miss A followed the same no solo promotion pattern.

Not only was it a popularity issue but also a money issue because while Suzy was working and slaving away she still had to split her income with her teammates who didn't even do a quarter of the work she did and it was obvious that the other girls started to distance themselves from Suzy.

No, because none of their other groups have a Suzy situation where only one member is super popular while the other members are nugus.

Don't y'all get tired of having the same discussion over and over?

Why would JYPE "waste time and money" by helping the members build solo careers when they can just keep them making six comebacks a year and make a shit ton of money from albums, where the company gets the majority of the profit? Definitely a mystery.

JYPE is not in the business of making artists. It's all about making a lot of money from their groups in the first contract, which is generally not very favorable to the artist.

The other advantage of the first contract for the company is that they are easy to control, even though at the end of the contract a lot of the members won't be very keen to cooperate with the company, especially after all the mistreatment and general lack of support in regard to a solo career.

Then you get into the whole bullshit of making the group say how they don't want to do any solo work and how they want to stay with the group for as long as they can.

Which is funny because JYP is the worst offender of the big 4 when it comes to the subject, even YG does a better job. The ideal example would be SM and the never ending list of "old" acts, still going strong after a decade or more.

To an extent yes. Of course anyone with eyes could see Suzy totally overshadowed her group not just in popularity but in terms of schedules/priority given to her which obviously fucked the group over in the long run.

However there has nothing been done to suggest JYP learned from that mistake instead of adapting to have an it girl without overshadowimg the group they went in the extreme oppositely direction: no one gets pushed at all.

When you look at groups like Twice, Itzy and Nmixx, up until Nayeon there no member that you can consider to be self independent on their name alone outside the group. There are no other soloists, no actresses, no CFs stars, no it girls, no nothing. Now it's groups brand name or nothing at all.

In contrast look at their peers like BP, RV Mamamoo etc. Almost all of the the girls in those groups can get by without relying on their groups' brand with individual projects like acting jobs, solos, radio, TV appearances etc.

It's not like it's a far out or complicated idea. SNSD is the standard for it and had a hold on it almost from debut. Early on they had 2 it girls in Taeyeon and Yoona and a few others started getting known outside SNSD (Tiffany went on a lot of shows which helped get Korean, Sunny was a DJ, Jessica accidentally built herself as the ice queen etc). A few years later and every member was able to sustain side activities alongside being SNSD.

The ultimate payoff came when during their 5 year hiatus instead of SNSD keeping the members names relevent as would be the case early on in idols careers', it was instead the members themselves that kept SNSD group name relevant which directly led in a very successful CB.

Can anyone look at any JYP group and think the members popularity can keep the group going? Looking at how incredibly unstable the JYP ggs are on charts the answer is a conclusive no.