We will see
G idle is not 4th generation though
G idle is not 4th generation though
they are, this is how they are referred in Korea, i never saw people, netz or media calling them anything other than 4th gen, they are also grouped with groups like Itzy and aespa rather than RV or Twice (Itzy debuted like 8 months after them), if The Boyz is a 4th gen group which debuted late 2017 so are the 2018 groups
The mamamoo gfriend oh my girl erasure 
might be true because of covid
when people were stuck in homes
they naturally wanted to be entertained and attracted
also speaking about 3rd gen don't forget about Oh My Girl
after all
they are only girl group which managed to have two songs in top 10 of longest charting Idol group songs on Melon
To be fair they're all not successful anymore
that’s not op’s point. They said that twice bp rv are “the only 3rd gen ggs able to get the public’s attention” and that’s plain wrong. Op didn’t say anything about longevity. Who’s to say that stayc or gidle will stay successful for a long time and not gradually fade like those 3rd gen non big 3 ggs who once were very popular like stayc and gidle are now like op’s clamouring to undermine 3rd gen? That’s the point i was addressing. Longevity is irrelevant here
The mamamoo gfriend oh my girl erasure
Display Moremight be true because of covid
when people were stuck in homes
they naturally wanted to be entertained and attracted
also speaking about 3rd gen don't forget about Oh My Girl
after all
they are only girl group which managed to have two songs in top 10 of longest charting Idol group songs on Melon
didn't really count Oh my girl
because their success happened during 4th gen
in contrary of T-RV-BP who were successfull during their gen
this was just a good month for kpop groups 
they are, this is how they are referred in Korea, i never saw people, netz or media calling them anything other than 4th gen, they are also grouped with groups like Itzy and aespa rather than RV or Twice (Itzy debuted like 8 months after them), if The Boyz is a 4th gen group which debuted late 2017 so are the 2018 groups
the media area lot influenced by international fans but when G idle debuted they were never referred as 4th gen it started with izy and TXT
I literally made a thread about 4th generation visuals and they didn't include G idle or loona despite Miyeon being popular and praised for her visuals and it's not the first time they don't include them for 4th generation things.
one thing I notice is that boy groups and girl groups don't function the same
the media area lot influenced by international fans but when G idle debuted they were never referred as 4th gen it started with izy and TXT
Because it requires time and hindsight to determine when a new generation started. A new generation is not announced at the very moment it starts. It'll be the same with 5th gen. Maybe the first 5th gen groups already debuted but it's too soon to tell.
To be fair they're all not successful anymore
I see a lot of current trending 4rth Gen group be like Gfriend where they are popular for a couple years and then dying off.
Impact, maybe. Anything iconic, not much so far.
Maybe they do, because 4th gen will last twice longer than 3rd gen for ggs
the media area lot influenced by international fans but when G idle debuted they were never referred as 4th gen it started with izy and TXT
I literally made a thread about 4th generation visuals and they didn't include G idle or loona despite Miyeon being popular and praised for her visuals and it's not the first time they don't include them for 4th generation things.
one thing I notice is that boy groups and girl groups don't function the same
So basically all the generations, no generation started with a group being named a day after debut, time tells everything it so doesn't matter why they started to name them, Gidle are 4th gen group and are called as such
(OMG, am realizing how the 2nd gen fans felt..
)
literally me while reading this lol
That's not the point, OP is saying there are simply more bigger popular groups, outside BP, Twice and RV , only Gfriend for a short time and Mamamoo blow up and none could match the first 2. Right now a lot more groups hits big, only in the past year we had IVE, Leeserafim and Newjeans and we need to keep eyes on Nmixx and Kep1er too, when you add other big 4th gen ggs like aespa, Itzy, Gidle and Stayc, you get a lot more popular ggs.
This made me remember of 2nd gen actually when there were a lot of top groups.
That's not the point, OP is saying there are simply more bigger popular groups, outside BP, Twice and RV , only Gfriend for a short time and Mamamoo blow up and none could match the first 2. Right now a lot more groups hits big, only in the past year we had IVE, Leeserafim and Newjeans and we need to keep eyes on Nmixx and Kep1er too, when you add other big 4th gen ggs like aespa, Itzy, Gidle and Stayc, you get a lot more popular ggs.
This made me remember of 2nd gen actually when there were a lot of top groups.
But you're looking at the 3rd gen from a historical perspective and where they are now. This is the equivalent of making a statement on 3rd gen based on what was happening in 2016 (4 years in). The landscape was very different in 2015-16 with many groups in contention (several have been mentioned in this thread). There were probably threads talking about the dominance of AOA, EXID, Mamamoo, RV, Gfriend, Twice.. Several years later, the herd started thinning and so from the perspective of 2022, it's very different. Just as many of those groups fell off the map or the memory, 4th gen too will shake out.
we will see
Display Moreand it's the truth (at least for GG)
4th gen revive the interest of the general public for Kpop Girlgroup when it was dying during 3rd gen
You just have to look at the number of 4th gen doing well and getting a lot of attention from Koreans ( Aespa, Gidle, Ive, Newjeans, Lesserafim, StayC....)
Meanwhile when you look at the 3rd gen the only group able to getting attention from the public were blackpink, red velvet and twice
4th gen overall will leave a bigger impact
Like G-friend, O.M.G. and Mamamoo never existed.
Like Rolling by Brave girls did not conquer the charts for months at a time (they may be 2nd gen).
The current top GG in kpop is from the 3rd generation.
But ok.
Nobody knows, the whole generations stuff is all made up shit.
G idle is not 4th generation though
It depends on who you ask, but for the most part, people say they are.
Personally I would say 3rd gen, but I am a nobody.
Maybe for girl groups, we'll see
Is mostly made up, different websites give different definitions.
There is a clear separation between 1st and 2nd.
The separation between 2nd and 3rd is a bit more unsettled.
3rd to 4th is very ambiguous.
Just wait until people start with the 5th generation stuff.
Some definitions;
Link to the competition for this site.
Even NPR tried to explain it.
But you're looking at the 3rd gen from a historical perspective and where they are now. This is the equivalent of making a statement on 3rd gen based on what was happening in 2016 (4 years in). The landscape was very different in 2015-16 with many groups in contention (several have been mentioned in this thread). There were probably threads talking about the dominance of AOA, EXID, Mamamoo, RV, Gfriend, Twice.. Several years later, the herd started thinning and so from the perspective of 2022, it's very different. Just as many of those groups fell off the map or the memory, 4th gen too will shake out.
I forgot that AOA counts as 3rd gen and i agree to include them but Exid was more a one hit wonder, similar to Momoland, they were never in talks to be a big group lets be real and people never counted them as a top group
I'm not thinking from a historical perspective, the true is that 3rd gen was condensed to the top and very few ggs got big outside a few chosen, the gap between top tier and the rest was gigantic, 4th gen is shaped to be more like 2nd gen where there is a proper middle ground, not the very top but not close to be a nugu either and there is more space to more top ggs but will also mean there won't be a indisputable top group either, various groups will do better in various ways
To be fair they're all not successful anymore
How many of the groups they mentioned in the 4th gen do you think will still be putting out hits in five years?
In the early 3rd gen days all those groups plus BP, Twice and RV were putting out hits. Kpop fans have a major case of recency bias. Like fucking goldfish man
It depends on who you ask, but for the most part, people say they are.
Personally I would say 3rd gen, but I am a nobody.
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I'm basing this on what I read from knetizens posts they never include them in 4th gen discussions they think they debuted a while ago already.
I forgot that AOA counts as 3rd gen and i agree to include them but Exid was more a one hit wonder, similar to Momoland, they were never in talks to be a big group lets be real and people never counted them as a top group
I'm not thinking from a historical perspective, the true is that 3rd gen was condensed to the top and very few ggs got big outside a few chosen, the gap between top tier and the rest was gigantic, 4th gen is shaped to be more like 2nd gen where there is a proper middle ground, not the very top but not close to be a nugu either and there is more space to more top ggs but will also mean there won't be a indisputable top group either, various groups will do better in various ways
they don't though I feel exo are an exception to the rule but most of these girl groups are more like late 2nd gen if anything 3rd gen (girl groups) really took off in 2014 with red velvet, mamamoo and later gfriend, twice, bp etc
I'm basing this on what I read from knetizens posts they never include them in 4th gen discussions they think they debuted a whole ago already.
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(여자)아이들 미연, 이래서 4세대 걸그룹 대표 미녀
(G)I-DLE Miyeon, the representative beauty of the 4th generation girl groups
I find it wrong to limit music to patterns such as generation thing. If a group is good, they can shows themself and their artistic identy in every generation. It doesn't have to be trendy to make good music. In other words, as long as they makes good music, limiting discourses like generation don't matter to me. If it's necessarily limited to the generation thing. The deciding factor is not the debut of the young groups. Impact probably. As a 4th generation effect, it has not yet reached that part. Blackpink and Twice are still gaining popularity. Same with Red Velvet.
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