Music Is Becoming Less Complex Over Time

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    Music Is Becoming Less Complex Over Time, And We Don't Really Know Why
    Your dad's strong opinions on "music these days" turn out to be correct.
    www.iflscience.com

    Decoding Musical Evolution Through Network Science
    Music has always been central to human culture, reflecting and shaping traditions, emotions, and societal changes. Technological advancements have transformed…
    arxiv.org


  • Interesting, but unsurprising.


    And it is reflective of general all around "dumbing down", be it in academics, literature and of course popular entertainment.


    Vivek Ramaswamy got flak when he opined that Americans aren't valuing intellectual achievements as much as they do other areas like arts. sports. But that is not limited to America or even within Arts - the simpler-dumber is more successful in the short term.

    Take lyrics in pop songs, 80% are of a quality that a 3rd grader from past decades could scribbled.


    All those tech-bros are so confident that every emerging technology will spare humans from grunt work, so that they can take up creative challenges.

    Sure maybe 1% will, but for the rest 99% tech renders them into mindless automatons consuming junk material for momentary highs. "Bops" , which won't be remembered even few days after the listening.


    Anyway, what can be done. It is all market driven. Vox populi vox Dei.

  • I don't really see this for most old music, how it would be more complex or what. Especially not if going to a row of songs that are 60+ years old. I heard a few songs on YT that are about 80-120 years old and they lack in the same fields as modern music: they are short, have only a few instruments or are just acapella and the lyrics repeat all the time

  • "Music Is Becoming Less Complex Over Time, And We Don't Really Know Why"

    I know why. Most people can't focus for longer than 2 minute, so all they need is a trendy Tiktok song, BUT, technically, this is only true about MAINSTREAM music! You can still find interesting and complex songs if you try.


    I don't really see this for most old music, how it would be more complex or what. Especially not if going to a row of songs that are 60+ years old. I heard a few songs on YT that are about 80-120 years old and they lack in the same fields as modern music: they are short, have only a few instruments or are just acapella and the lyrics repeat all the time

    Complex here doesn't mean you have to use 20 different instruments, for example.


    What's missing in today's music in the JOURNEY! I mean, the actual journey. Most songs have 1 verse, a pre-chorus, a chorus, and maybe a bridge if you're lucky, but it feels like they just mixed multiple songs together and it doesn't have any personality.


    I have two great example for what complexity in songs actually means! In both songs, especially in "Destiny" the composition, the usage of multiple different genres, vocals (not just the singing), and of course, the lyrics, are the prime example of how you should compose a song, let the artist(s) shine, and don't go overboard to be trendy.


    In both songs, the flow is pretty much perfect, you don't feel it has segments, it feels one product. For me, this is where 10/10 songs starts!


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    Mamamoo's 'TRAVEL' in general is one of the most experimental (Kpop) album ever, probably! I never heard anything like this from anyone!


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    And if someone don't believe me, you can hear what classical musicians say about Destiny!


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  • Not Convinced. I read the full paper.


    They pulled from this dataset here - https://github.com/jeffreyjohnens/MetaMIDIDataset


    I agree with some of their findings, but they're also doing topological analyses and the prevailing dataset is already weighted heavily to piano, guitar, and foundational instruments. As in the dataset they pulled from is already weighted to "simpler" music by default.


    If they said "popular" music or perhaps "chart friendly music" i'd be more inclined to agree with their findings, given how they derived the dataset and the 6 "genre" categories they are group into.


    To extrapolate for all music? Nah. I'd agree that pop and rock have gotten simpler, hip-hop is half based off previous recordings so it's a mixed bag. Electronic music has always been by design rather simple melodies. But other genres? World music, folk, bluegrass, metal - heavily disagree. Those genres have progressed immensely in complexity both textually and melodically.


    Compare a 1980's metal song to a metal song from today. Worlds apart in complexity and melodies in 2020 metal then 1980s. The same for folk, which has undergone a massive revolution due to neofolk and blending of genres in the late 90's.


    So if they said popular or commercially consumed music - sure. "All music". Nope, and I don't think the paper gives enough arguments to support that.

  • because music doesn't have be complex to sell well


    and also because there are so many music that has been produced so far that complexity doesn't seem so complex when it's all been done before in the past.


    something new and hasn't been done before is becoming more and more difficult to produce


    and even if something new has been produced, most people will find that unfamiliar therefore not trendy therefore not interested.


  • Talk about a massive letdown. You started off great, talking about how music has been dumbed down and turned into mindless, computer generated, background noise.


    But then you go off and use the most mid Mamamoo songs to showcase the potential of pop music as true works of art??


    OMG.


    There are literally 1000 KPop songs with more musicality and storytelling and artistry than MMM lol.


    But TBH y'all kids need to start edumacating yourselves regarding actual music, not the vapid, 2.4 minute jingles masquerading as music that you see in the Hot 100 or even many Kpop songs.


    Start with the pinnacle of pop music, 70s and 80s rock including the most talented rock artists of alltime like Meatloaf, Springsteen, Bon Jovi, GunsnRoses, Poison, etc.


    The members of GunsnRoses look like ratty, strung out drunks that havent showered in weeks but imagine these same musty greasy lookin dudes WRITING EVERY SINGLE NOTE AND LYRIC of literal rock operas like their criminally underrated song Estranged. 9 minute epic, incredibly complex, incredibly inventive, incredible storytelling and musical composition rivaling modern day Mozart tbh. This song isnt some verse-chorus-verse-chorus garbage, this song is so complex that you cant even identify its song structure.


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    This is why whenever i go on TW and see Kpop and Pop stans bragging about the "artistry" of their faves i literally choke on my drink, i've leaked gallons of soda, coffee, scotch and beer through my nostrils everytime i see some Kpoppy upload the same generic trap beats or Cleveland or Baltimore Garage band nonsense from their faves and pretend that is anything but musical kindergarden.


    I could literally upload 2000 songs from the Golden Era of Pop, each with more heart, creativity, passion, and storytelling than all the songs released in 2024 combined.

  • I'm not finished ranting on this subject.


    Take a listen to this literal 3 note "song". TBH i cant even call it a song, it's a nursery rhyme set to baby chords. TBF there are a few catchy moments in this song, but COME ON, it has the musical complexity of a box of rocks.


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    Then compare it to a fucking masterpiece in storytelling, one of the greatest songs ever conceived by the greatest modern songwriter in history.


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    Then collapse in shock when you realize not only is this masterpiece 100 percent written and composed by Springsteen himself, it was only an unpromoted B side. Can you imagine the talent you must have to create a song like this and have it be nothing but a B side filler song???

  • everything modern sucks. music has gotten so much stupider and so much more annoying since TikTok. but even before that the quality was going down. kpop is churning out music at an extremely fast rate that the end product is just corporate slop that's only goal is to make the listener addicted to one stupid repeated hook as if they are a robot needing a new set of programming. quality music isn't dead, it's just harder to find. the only major artist i feel these days that is releasing quality music up to par with their older music is the weeknd.

  • 1st: I was talking about Kpop. Are you even a real Kpop fan? You're always talking about some random Western musician or that girl from Asia or whatever. 🤣


    2nd: You're saying there are 1000 Kpop songs with more musically and storytelling than Mamamoo. Okay, then prove it, not just talking nonsense! At least I showed you all some evidence, even from actual musicians. Meanwhile, all you did is acting like WhyKnock 2.0. 😂

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