Le sserafim would have been a top group like Newjeans/Ive with Garam. Agreed?

hindsight is 20/20

you're (they're) comparing something in reality aka the now LSFM with the unknown aka garam LSFM

who is to know if they would have gotten more success or less?

I mean sometimes as fans we think huh what would have happened if...

and there's so many examples of that -

soojin remaining in gidle

izone having Ga-eun and Chowon

somi in twice - somi in itzy

jini in nmixx

etc etc

No

Didn't they start climbing charts and doing better overall as soon as she left?

No she was over-rated. imo 50% of all new girl group members that have debuted recently is better than her.

However, if they had a token Chinese member, then yes. You would have the Chinese bulk buying en-mass their albums.

In Korea, Ive is in front, because Koreans hate Japanese and LSF has 2 Japanese instead vs 1 in Ive. Globally, they are in front of Ive, by a lot. I mean in the top five 4th gen girl groups, Ive is last or 2nd last in every metric except Korean digitals and #EVERYBODYKNOWS.

Ive anyway will be doa soon, since Kakao is dumping shares in them, basically because they are last or 2nd last in every metric except Korean digitals and #EVERYBODYKNOWS. They will most probably use that money to get gidle to sign with them.

wtf

They are a top group

Meanwhile you are a disingenuous fuckwit who makes moronic dipshit topics based on false premises and deadbeats on twitter.

Reflect on yourself.

LLLLLLLLLLLL A BIG LLLLLLLLLLLL

eunchaepower you need to see this thread

Their popularity has gone up after she left. Also they are doing really well in Japan, even beating Ive to the punch in getting those Japanese IzOne fans. If anything they're doing more than fine without her post scandal.

How could you ever say something like that? While other groups are popular as a whole, Le Sserafim is one of these groups where every member is popular. And Eunchae is one of the most popular members, she literally is an ambassador for the brand Kirsh, which wonyoung also is an ambassador for. The wonyoung everyone is calling an It-Girl? Yes, that one. Garam gives model vibes, yes, she is pretty and all, and her voice is beautiful, but Eunchae is equally as important. Every K-Pop Stan knows her, even the ones that don't stan Le Sserafim. Actually she reminds me of Chuu so much, they both have that uplifting energy.

you really think no one cares for her??  

let's wait for her bday in november lol...

meanwhile..

MC MANCHAE IS BACKKKKKKKK

Bro, she's a nobody.

The real loss for Lesserafim is this angel.

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With her onboard, you could literally double their album sales and add 100 PAKs to every song release. She is the only other idol besides Karina that can challenge Wonyoungie for the title of Kpop's It Girl. I mean even in this hilarious GIF, she dont back down to anyone not even WY when it comes to cuteness.

we never know

Nope but I kinda agree with Eunchae. She's the type that will never get super popular even in her own group no matter how hard the company push her. She didn’t have that star power that make her stand out. She is currently the most active in her group but her popularity not really change a lot. People like and talk about her lots these days just bc of her interaction with their idols and also the fact that lsf are not really the top group like Nj, Ive, Aespa and Itzy before. So kpop stans didn't really see her and her group as a threat to hate on her.

I like Lesserafim more after Garam left. I don't dislike her but the dynamics of the group as 5 is perfect. Garam also didn't add anything to their performances tbh. The only thing going on for her was her looks, she wasn't a great dancer or singer and wasn't charismatic on stage like most of the members. I'm not saying she couldn't improve like eunchae did but it's just that I didn't feel like the group lost something after she left.

Eunchae is really popular now, idk what you're talking about

I dunno I feel like she was probs too young to really fit in

You’d think LSR is a nugu group who sell 4 copies

eunchae doesn’t fit in le ssera maybe more in Ill'it.

and hybe actually pushed kazuha as a visual after garam left...

she could have slayed if she was korean or had a less japanese sounding name. I mean she looks like a mix of Suzy and a bit of Jisoo. She is totally korea type but her nationality is limiting her.

But i think the fact the Ssera doesn’t have a korean visual it girl is gonna keep them away from reaching at last Ive level in korea.

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eunchae doesn’t fit in le ssera maybe more in Ill'it.

and hybe actually pushed kazuha as a visual after garam left...

she could have slayed if she was korean or had a less japanese sounding name. I mean she looks like a mix of Suzy and a bit of Jisoo. She is totally korea type but her nationality is limiting her.

But i think the fact the Ssera doesn’t have a korean visual it girl is gonna keep them away from reaching at last Ive level in korea.

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But is success in Korea that important or is it irrelevant.

If BP disbands, Twice is going to be the #1 group in the world, and they can't even get into the Melon 100. Or to be more accurate, they only do the absolute minimal promotions that they need to do in Korea, because the more time they spend in Korea, the less money they make.

Le-sserafim is a music group that has 2 of 5 members that dont have musical talent (dancing and look pretty is not musical talent). In the end theyre a 3 member- girlgroup that has 1 average-mediocre singer and 2 really bad singers

OP seems to be more into shading Eunchae than praising Garam

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Yeah I agree that Garam wasn’t outstanding outside of her looks, but isn’t that the same as Wonyoung. Wonyoung is not very talented either and is still most popular.

Eunchae is popular but not really it girl level like Garam could be. But yeah the group is fine anyway, but they could have been bigger

Yeah I totally agree that visuals matter a lot in kpop. I was just talking about my point of view as a consumer that wasn't even Garam-biased from the beginning.

I wouldn't compare her to Wonyoung who was already extremely popular before debuting in Ive and has a lot bigger presence in her group, but I get your point.

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eunchae doesn’t fit in le ssera maybe more in Ill'it.

and hybe actually pushed kazuha as a visual after garam left...

she could have slayed if she was korean or had a less japanese sounding name. I mean she looks like a mix of Suzy and a bit of Jisoo. She is totally korea type but her nationality is limiting her.

But i think the fact the Ssera doesn’t have a korean visual it girl is gonna keep them away from reaching at last Ive level in korea.

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Agreed unfortunately. Minju was a HUGE loss for them in Korea. International Tokkis love hyping up Hanni for example, but in Korea it's all about Minji/Haerin/Hyein at various different times, i dont think Hanni or even Danielle trend there as much. I think LSRFM is missing that classic Korean visual like Minju.

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I wonder if it's too late to add Minju later, if LSRFM's concept changes from crazy intense dance to more laid back moves ala Ive/NJ, i could see a pathway for Minju to rejoin the group.

I have no idea why people talk about garam. How long was she in the group? Two, three weeks? We can't even miss her because we know nothing about her.

If it wasn't for threads like this i would have forgotten she existed

Why are people still trying to push Garam?

It's been a year ya'll. Move on.

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I have no idea why people talk about garam. How long was she in the group? Two, three weeks? We can't even miss her because we know nothing about her.

If it wasn't for threads like this i would have forgotten she existed

Two weeks lol and we didn't even see enough from her to know whether or not she would've been a push go Lesserafim, it's true that her voice was really good in sour grape and blue flame but her voice isn't indispensable member the songs without her sounded just fine also the Korean gp never warmed up to her because if her controversy so I don't know what bb is taking about

Koreans love their untalented visuals don’t they.

Vocally they would be more balanced but Eunchae would be overshadowed more since she isn't really known for anything in particular except being the quirky maknae I guess.

I don't think it would make them do much better than they're doing now, ive and newjeans would still do better on the charts since their songs are more public friendly.

+ Garam is no Wonyoung. Not many idols have her popularity

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Two weeks lol and we didn't even see enough from her to know whether or not she would've been a push go Lesserafim, it's true that her voice was really good in sour grape and blue flame but her voice isn't indispensable member the songs without her sounded just fine also the Korean gp never warmed up to her because if her controversy so I don't know what bb is taking about

I honestly don't even remember her voice

If she stayed she would have dragged the group with her. I'm sorry her dream got ruined for something she'd done when she was young but bully allegations are a deal breaker for knetz and a lot of them who support them now wouldn't support them if she stayed

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I honestly don't even remember her voice

If she stayed she would have dragged the group with her. I'm sorry her dream got ruined for something she'd done when she was young but bully allegations are a deal breaker for knetz and a lot of them who support them now wouldn't support them if she stayed

When the scandal was happening everyone here was saying how hybe would be crazy to keep the girl cuz she was on a verge of destroying the group and now everyone now and then we see a thread saying how Lesserafim would've been better with her lol no bitch they wouldn't

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When the scandal was happening everyone here was saying how hybe would be crazy to keep the girl cuz she was on a verge of destroying the group and now everyone now and then we see a thread saying how Lesserafim would've been better with her lol no bitch they wouldn't

It's really weird. Even soojin leaving didn't affect g-idle's popularity (in fact they became even more successful after she left lol) and she was with them for years.

Nobody even remembers garam, the group even recorded new version of album fearless. What's the obsession lol

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It's really weird. Even soojin leaving didn't affect g-idle's popularity (in fact they became even more successful after she left lol) and she was with them for years.

Nobody even remembers garam, the group even recorded new version of album fearless. What's the obsession lol

Honestly I don't know some people feel like she was rubbed of her career because allegedly those accusations weren't 100% true

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Honestly I don't know some people feel like she was rubbed of her career because allegedly those accusations weren't 100% true

Imo even those accusations were true I think it's cruel to pay such a high price. She was a child, kids are stupid

But in the end, only knetz's opinion matters and this is what they decided