When will you
yeah sis sold 500k in a week
She must feel abandoned
This is what I have been saying. Fan claim to love Twice's new music yet all recent songs with the melanie/Lindgren sound are tanking even in metrics within the fandom.
Like Twice may claim to love their current music but it's dog shit. Alcohol Free, Pop, Celebrate and The Feels are the only good songs they dropped in the last few years..I mean Talk that Talk was okay.
yeah sis sold 500k in a week
She must feel abandoned
this!!
+ I think Zyo's solo is catered more towards US/i-fans
with that mood, boyfriend, and all that
This is what I have been saying. Fan claim to love Twice's new music yet all recent songs with the melanie/Lindgren sound are tanking even in metrics within the fandom.
Like Twice may claim to love their current music but it's dog shit. Alcohol Free, Pop, Celebrate and The Feels are the only good songs they dropped in the last few years..I mean Talk that Talk was okay.
You're my new favorite user now
Ves you've been pushed go second 
yeah sis sold 500k in a week
She must feel abandoned
this!!
+ I think Zyo's solo is catered more towards US/i-fans
with that mood, boyfriend, and all that
Album sales are always a copium argument. They are super important but when you being them up cause you have nothing else to brag about, it is over
I think they are not using ads and that's why.
But agree I was also expecting more views because honestly song isn't that bad
I never realized I was that high on the list in the first place.
Something didn't seem right with the views though. She had over 1 million likes and over 240,000 comments and only got about 10 million views. Other MVs released at the same time only had about 500K likes and only about 40K comments but got a lot more views. It didn't really make sense.
Something didn't seem right with the views though. She had over 1 million likes and over 240,000 comments and only got about 10 million views. Other MVs released at the same time only had about 500K likes and only about 40K comments but got a lot more views. It didn't really make sense.
There is nothing wrong with her views, the number of views is exactly what a 1 million likes video is supposed to have
Other idols use ads to inflate views. That's all
Her views arenโt inflated by ads. Usually after the 24hours JYP would push the ads for their music videos but she didnโt get any.
Nayeon had them but JYP didnโt do them for MISAMO and Jihyo. MISAMO had them but they were from their own fanbases and not from JYP so they could only afford enough for two weeks-three weeks.
finally I can say that one of my favs is a nugu group!!!
There is nothing wrong with her views, the number of views is exactly what a 1 million likes video is supposed to have
Other idols use ads to inflate views. That's all
Her views arenโt inflated by ads. Usually after the 24hours JYP would push the ads for their music videos but she didnโt get any.
Nayeon had them but JYP didnโt do them for MISAMO and Jihyo. MISAMO had them but they were from their own fanbases and not from JYP so they could only afford enough for two weeks-three weeks.
Yall obviously don't know how ads work. How many views out of 200 million of Nayeon's MV do you think are ads? 190 million?
Yall obviously don't know how ads work. How many views out of 200 million of Nayeon's MV do you think are ads? 190 million?
Out of curiosity, according to Daisuki's estimative based on Youtube Charts' charting It has between 25-29M ad views. It means 173-177M are organic.
Imagine saying this when she already sold 500k albums, girl has already secured the bag and the song may rise on charts too 
EVERYONE realises this
or else they would not constantly try to switch topic to sales, which everyone knows has NOTHING to do with how many people actually listen to and like the music itself
people have not abandoned twice, their charting was just carried by their music's appeal, which is both good and bad but def not the stability you get from having a unique image based on social status ( like tall skinny pale brand ambassador = elite, sexy lots of int fans swears a lot = global group )
I agree they really need to stop trying to be something they're not. The fans obviously don't like it. They don't even have to do super cute, but something like fancy instead. Just something bubbly because that's what Twice does best.
to be honest the number of views in m/v is important for young teenage fans 
This is what I have been saying. Fan claim to love Twice's new music yet all recent songs with the melanie/Lindgren sound are tanking even in metrics within the fandom.
Like Twice may claim to love their current music but it's dog shit. Alcohol Free, Pop, Celebrate and The Feels are the only good songs they dropped in the last few years..I mean Talk that Talk was okay.
I will never understand what you guys are talking about. Talk the talk is such a classic on the mark signature 100% cute song. It's exactly what twice is known for. So was Scientist. Both are recent releases. Who do people not like them when it is literally what they are lamenting about
I'm abandoning their recent releases too 
But i still love their older songs 
I will never understand what you guys are talking about. Talk the talk is such a classic on the mark signature 100% cute song. It's exactly what twice is known for. So was Scientist. Both are recent releases. Who do people not like them when it is literally what they are lamenting about
Youre wrong about Scientist and the numbers prove fans and casual listeners didn't like it.
Talk That Talk wasn't a Melanie or Lindgren song so...
Youre wrong about Scientist and the numbers prove fans and casual listeners didn't like it.
Talk That Talk wasn't a Melanie or Lindgren song so...
Idk what tf melanie martinez and lindt are
Was Scientist their song? If so I give that credit for that.
Idk what tf melanie martinez and lindt are
Was Scientist their song? If so I give that credit for that.
A quick intro to Melanie and Lindgren...the husband production and writing couple responsible for Killin Me Good, Set Me Free, Scientist and I Can't Stop Me...basically all of Twice's biggest tank jobs in Korea and, excluding ICSM, their biggest flops in Japan and within the fandom...basically they're shit.
Whoooa, you included ๐
Are we talking youtube?
I think there is less streaming of Youtube anyway.
Everyone is focusing on Spotify now
More Twice for me then 
There is nothing wrong with her views, the number of views is exactly what a 1 million likes video is supposed to have
Other idols use ads to inflate views. That's all
I'm curious. So the other MV with half the likes of Jihyo and one fifth the comments as Jihyo but has 50 million views. Does that mean more than 40million views are from ads?
Putting in a screen shoot of a post I did more than 2 years ago in an other thread.
I'm curious. So the other MV with half the likes of Jihyo and one fifth the comments as Jihyo but has 50 million views. Does that mean more than 40million views are from ads?
Depends on how long the video has been out and whether it crosses over from fandom to GP recognition.
When a video first comes out, it's usually fans watching it, so you usually get a higher ratio of likes to views. Maybe 1M likes for every 10M views.
Then as time goes on, more and more randos start watching the MVs especially if the video goes viral and hits mainstream non KPop listeners, nonfans who naturally wont be as likely to click "like". So the ratio increases, even for non ad supported MVs.
Everyone knows that BTS dont use ads. Yet some MVs like Suga's Haegum are more fandom centric and have a 1 to 13 ratio of likes to views, while others like Seven by JK has kinda blown up with non Armies/non Kpoppies and has a 1 to 20+ ratio of likes to views.
So with Jihyo, her relatively high amount of likes probably means that JYP isnt using any ads, but also that she hasnt broken through to non Onces yet with the song.
At least this is my theory. 
Display MoreDepends on how long the video has been out and whether it crosses over from fandom to GP recognition.
When a video first comes out, it's usually fans watching it, so you usually get a higher ratio of likes to views. Maybe 1M likes for every 10M views.
Then as time goes on, more and more randos start watching the MVs especially if the video goes viral and hits mainstream non KPop listeners, nonfans who naturally wont be as likely to click "like". So the ratio increases, even for non ad supported MVs.
Everyone knows that BTS dont use ads. Yet some MVs like Suga's Haegum are more fandom centric and have a 1 to 13 ratio of likes to views, while others like Seven by JK has kinda blown up with non Armies/non Kpoppies and has a 1 to 20+ ratio of likes to views.
So with Jihyo, her relatively high amount of likes probably means that JYP isnt using any ads, but also that she hasnt broken through to non Onces yet with the song.
At least this is my theory.
Both MVS came out the same day. Jihyo is 1 like to 10 views while the other is 1 like to 90 views. Kind of seem off.
Both MVS came out the same day. Jihyo is 1 like to 10 views while the other is 1 like to 90 views. Kind of seem off.
1 to 90 ratio of likes to views definitely seems like ad-generated, especially if this was a new release. I think almost all Kpop videos have some ad support, and nugu ones need them the most.
A quick intro to Melanie and Lindgren...the husband production and writing couple responsible for Killin Me Good, Set Me Free, Scientist and I Can't Stop Me...basically all of Twice's biggest tank jobs in Korea and, excluding ICSM, their biggest flops in Japan and within the fandom...basically they're shit.
But scientist bop 
Yall obviously don't know how ads work. How many views out of 200 million of Nayeon's MV do you think are ads?
Between 45 and 50 million i.e. half of the views in the first 45 days which was the time it took for it to reach 100 million
Are you talking about Nmixx? I thought it was common sense Nmixx numbers were ad generated
I was talking about Aespa Better Things which was released the same day as Jihyo. It has half of Jihyo's likes and one fifth of Jihyo's comments but has 40 million more views. So does that mean about close to 40 million views are from ads?
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