I think it would make sense if 4th gen would start in 2022

I was actually watching this video now lol and they were talking about future 4th generation NMIXX, BEAMON, HYBE new girls groups

This makes no sense. Why should there be parallels to 2nd gen for 3rd gen?

Ngl 4th gen did seem it was made to make the new group achievements look good but with stayc, aespa and ive doing well there is a clear distinction.

Also many publications consider groups like nmixx etc to be 5th gen lolz.

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This makes no sense. Why should there be parallels to 2nd gen for 3rd gen?

Ngl 4th gen did seem it was made to make the new group achievements look good but with stayc, aespa and ive doing well there is a clear distinction.

Also many publications consider groups like nmixx etc to be 5th gen lolz.

I'm seeing some calling them 4th gen though like the video I just shared and they are from a Korean channel they refer to them as the next 4th gen. I don't understand the whole 4th gen tbh it's so confusing, but one thing I'm almost sure 4th gen didn't start in 2018 at least not for girl groups.

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People say 3rd gen is only between 2014 - 2017 which make literally no sense. It only take 4 years. By that logic 2022 would already be 5th gen

I think 3rd gen ends in 2018

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People say 3rd gen is only between 2014 - 2017 which make literally no sense. It only take 4 years. By that logic 2022 would already be 5th gen

. . . who said this . . . lmao

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People say 3rd gen is only between 2014 - 2017 which make literally no sense. It only take 4 years. By that logic 2022 would already be 5th gen

3rd gen started in 2012/2013 with exo.

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I'm seeing some calling them 4th gen though like the video I just shared and they are from a Korean channel they refer to them as the next 4th gen. I don't understand the whole 4th gen tbh it's so confusing, but one thing I'm almost sure 4th gen didn't start in 2018 at least not for girl groups.

Videos hype new groups up all the time as the next big thing. I remember some generation map showing 2018. 2021 very much was prominent for 4th gen ggs. I think a new gen will started for new groups to make competition easy lol.

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all 2nd gen gg stans say 3rd gen begin 2014

. . . well that dumb

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4th gen been restarting for the last 4 years more lifes than jesus christ at this point

ive alwyas thought 2nd gen was 2003/4-2010, 2011 being the 2.5 year point, 3rd gen was 2012-2017, 2018 being the 3.5 year point and 4th gen starting in 2019.

(also thought that 2000-2002/3 was the soloist era, and anything prior was the 1st gen)

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Yes, but generation change different time for ggs than bgs? Thats why AOA is 2nd gen while exo 3rd gen while both debuted during the same year?

This i don't understand either. I used to think aoa was 3rd gen too but people put them for 2nd gen. Exo definitely set themselves apart with bigger sales and instant success. I think mgt becoming a big hit defined 3rd gen ggs?

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First gg that made big in 3rd gen was from 2014, that's why 3rd gen start in 2014 for ggs and 2012 for bgs.

If we go by who went big there is no doubt 2019 would be the start for 4th gen ggs. Dalla dalla was big. And 4th gen bgs have not yet started. Also the first gg for 3rd gen that made it big was actually gfriend who debuted in 2015? Was there that big of a hit by what we consider 3rd gen ggs before that?

No. 4th gen came in 2018, we can’t change it. Groups are alr known as 4th gen, and fans have CLUNG onto the title.

Tbh I don’t believe 4th gen should have come in 2018, but fans started calling groups 4th gen cuz they couldn’t compete with 3rd gen and companies media played the heck out of it to make their groups seem more new and fresher so now it’s here to stay.

We just have to accept that 3rd gen will be the shortest gen. Bc unlike the other gen poeple became obsessed with the 4th gen title and named 4th gen on the spot.

It will be interesting to see when 5th gen becomes a thing. 4th gen stans are totally against it bc their groups will no be the new and shiny things then.

No, it started in 2018.

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I think 3rd gen ends in 2018

It did. The most successful iteration of expansion into the West spearheaded by BTS caused the end of 3rd gen. You can see the way kpop companies started moving differently.

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It did. The most successful iteration of expansion into the West spearheaded by BTS caused the end of 3rd gen. You can see the way kpop companies started moving differently.

The greatest AKP user has spoken.

Generations aren't just built around the years, they're built around fundamental shifts in the music, styles, performances, sales, videos, etc. It's clear that 4th gen gg (and bg) are different than their predecessors. There are certainly some groups late in the 3rd gen who are more similar in style and format to 4th gen groups than 3rd gen ones, but overall it feels very right to me that groups like Itzy, aespa, Kep1er and Ive are very different to Twice, RV, Mamamoo and Momoland, just as those groups were very different to SNSD, f(x), Wonder Girls and 2NE1.

4th gen has already started you can see groups having 4th gen collabs at award shows as we had in 3rd gen. Kmedia has been using the term 4th gen, also all these companies like JYP, SM, Hybe consider aespa, Itzy, Enhyphen, TXT as 4th gen groups. What more do people want to indicate the beginning of 4th gen?

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This generation crap is such bs

You don't see Western stans say "Oh Rihanna was from X gen" like...

kpop is different from western pop. Kpop has a system like you become a trainee learn dance, and other skills, do variety shows, stay away from dating in your first years, and so on. This gen thing is part of the system too. If you compare it to other Korean artists like MFBTY, Crush, Yoon Jong Shin, Loco you can see that they are restricted by the gen system.

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No. 4th gen came in 2018, we can’t change it. Groups are alr known as 4th gen, and fans have CLUNG onto the title.

Tbh I don’t believe 4th gen should have come in 2018, but fans started calling groups 4th gen cuz they couldn’t compete with 3rd gen and companies media played the heck out of it to make their groups seem more new and fresher so now it’s here to stay.

We just have to accept that 3rd gen will be the shortest gen. Bc unlike the other gen poeple became obsessed with the 4th gen title and named 4th gen on the spot.

It will be interesting to see when 5th gen becomes a thing. 4th gen stans are totally against it bc their groups will no be the new and shiny things then.

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To me the reason 4th Gen started in 2018 is because at that time international appreciation for KPOP really started to explode. Thus groups that debuted in 2018 started with an international base viewership that didn't truly exist to any were near the same degree as in 2016. Even Blackpink didn't really blow up until 2018 with the release of DdDdDd. For me 2017 was the transitional time period as none of the groups in 2017 made as much of an impact as in 2016 and in 2018. When (G)I-dle, IZ*ONE and others debuted they instantly overshadowed all the groups from 2017 and had a distinct international and large fandom. A clear line was crossed at that point.

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This generation crap is such bs

You don't see Western stans say "Oh Rihanna was from X gen" like...

I disagree. They may not call a "generation" but you ABSOLUTELY see this within genres and within even mainstream pop music as a way to categorize a specific sound - people talk about the golden age of hip hop or gangsta rap (yes it's a specific style, but it is also usually referencing a specific time period) or bling era. I think we're more likely to call it by the years in the West - like people differentiate 90s country to current country and 90s r&b is very different to today's r&b.

This gen thing is becoming as polemic as national hit discussions

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3rd gen started in 2012/2013 with exo.

Videos hype new groups up all the time as the next big thing. I remember some generation map showing 2018. 2021 very much was prominent for 4th gen ggs. I think a new gen will started for new groups to make competition easy lol.

yeah but I have seen pann articles and knetz were saying 4th gen started in 2019 there are mixed opinions about this and tbh only when itzy and txt debuted is when the whole 4th gen talk started.

Keeping up these discussions, in year 2025 we'll be in the 6th generation already.

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omg I actually stopped giving a shit atp to me whether txtzy are 3rd 4th or 6th doesnt change anything

As long as people stan both, they can call them whatever

By your logic since BP is the only active 3rd gen groups you should wait for Baemon when we all know they aren’t debuting anytime soon lol.

in my opinion 4th gen started in 2020. Groups that debuted in2018-2019 are gen 3.5.

I just accept that 3rd gen is too superior that everyone want them to go faster or else the new debuting groups will have no achievements. Like every of the 4th gen groups achievements will have 'the first 4th gen', 'the faster 4th gen', 'the most 4th gen', something like that in their narrative which is very sad to see as if you include them with the 3rd, they will easily get overlook.

Why is it that a Groups debut date is what ties it to a generation and not when they were at their peak and actually influencing culture?