Has GP-friendly music lost its meaning for 4th gen?

The only song that's not gp friendly here imo is Dalla Dalla.

NL is catchy af and Eleven is catchy too and pretty melodic. If they arent gp friendly then only ballads and trot are lol.

The charts are filled with hip hop songs rn. It's silly to think the GP only enjoys ballads and trot.

I'm lost here, Define GP-friendly if you would.

define gp friendly cus i find all three songs gp friendly lol

Not you saying Black Mamba was gp friendly lmaooooo

no gp hits from 4th gen so far in korea.

nothing like 'cheer up', for instance.

gp are older and have adult responsibilities - they don't care about kids trying to act cool.

they usually want something fun and friendly to listen to.

one 4th gen gg did have a massive nation-wide gp hit, however:

niziu

'make you happy' was the song of 2020 in japan.

possibly even the most widely known pop song of the last decade.

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what about d4?

all of the songs u have mentioned has catchy hook/addictive parts to it so i consider all of them gp friendly

Imo, Dalla Dalla and Eleven are really easy listening and not weird. For Next Level, i think it's because this kind of song is really SM Performance style that has been existing since forever like TVXQ's Rising Sun (2005) for example. I've also read some comments that say NL reminds them of TVXQ and 2nd gen song, which may indicate the 'GP' is actually already familiar and used to this kind of song

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But when it came out, reactions from people weren’t severe like Next Level. People even said Black Mamba was catchy right away. With Next Level, people said Sm lost its ways and the song was trash, only for it to end up doing better than Black Mamba,

i wonder by people who u are referring to akp?

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But Next Level was a hit tho? and people were doing the dances and everything

nl was definitely a hit among younger folks and kpop fans.

but you didn't see middle aged office workers and grandmas dancing to it while seeing it on prime time tv shows all day every day.

cheer up and make you happy were those types of hits with gp.

Cheer Up is absolutely a weirder song than the fourth gen examples.

f(x) and Miss A were pretty successful

And it seemed at the time that I Got a Boy was SNSD's breakout.

But then maybe that's just my perspective based on the circles I hang in, because if you asked me I woulda told you Zimzalabim was probably Red Velvet's biggest hit

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akp, twitter, online forums, even if you read comments by Koreans in youtube or online, they say Next Level take them 10 or more times listening to find it cool, while Black Mamba they find the “ma ma ma mamba part” instantly addictive. not to mention the comments that said next level feels like 4 songs stitched into one.

But even then if you compare Aespa “Next Level” to Twice “I can’t stop me” or Bts “Butter”, no one was saying anything about Twice or Bts song being weird, not to mention they are both on trend with the retro trend too, but Next Level ends up performing better than them both on the Korea chart despite the “negative” initial reaction.

international fans and koreans don't have to have similar taste so most of the comments said by intl fans don't apply to koreans, next level is gp friendly cus i see lots saying the "i am on the next level" and "lala lala lala" etc parts are so addicting, also its dance went viral, if only I say something "sing talk" is new trend in ggs and gp seems to like it

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'make u happy' was the song of 2020 in japan.

possibly even the most widely known pop song of the last decade.

Dynamite

Cheer Up is a weird song.

At least to me as a Western listener it sounded weird and disjointed when I first heard it. Still don't like it much.

Next Level has a lot of melodic shifts, which is definitely weird in terms of pop.

Dalla Dalla and Eleven sound like classic pop songs to me. Nothing out of the ordinary. I do remember people on AKP calling Dalla Dalla messy when it first came out, but I didn't understand that. Nothing strange happens in Dalla Dalla and their is no unexpected shifts in the melody. People also called D4 messy, but I didn't understand that either. The only jarring part in that was Jennie's rap in the 2nd verse. Though that's also a typical YG feature.

People throw around the term GP-friendly, but there is no real consensus on what that means. People just assume based on what they THINK the GP will like. I still cannot understand Korea liking Savage, but maybe that just means I don't know Korean taste.

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But then isn’t NCT songs also that “performance style” since they are also multiple songs stitched together like Aespa? And if TVXQ, a boy group from Sm can have public hits with songs like that then won’t NCT have hits too?

Idk, it takes more than just having a good song that's friendly to the audience's ears to have a hit song.

Eleven sounds super poppy to me so I don't even know why it's in this conversation, but I also think a lot of i-fans have a perception of what the Korean GP likes that doesn't match what's happening on the charts. Show Me the Money songs - all hip hop - top the charts, while songs like Next Level go viral. The GP may still like the next bright and poppy Gee song or romantic ballad, but it also likes aespa and Itzy songs too.

It's definitely a trend with some companies, but you also have songs like Weekly's After School that are the definition of public friendly, the title it's too much of a generalization

GP friendly is whatever the GP likes at that moment...

if they don't like it it's obviously not GP friendly no?

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But the Weeekly song didn’t do well in Korean charts? Sorry if Im not getting what you’re saying.

I was answering mostly your title, gp friendly is still pretty much in 4th gen and then you I read your point about charting and I was too lazy to edit my post

Like I said, that's too much of generalization, Dalla Dalla is from 2019 and Next Level is from 6 months ago and Eleven is one week old, you have a almost 3 year gap with so many releases, your back up for this narrative seems too much cherry picked that's why I'd like to disagree with you

I got this chart from twitter and I think La Vien En Rose and Latata aren't weird at all. It's probably pretty old and if anyone wants to correct me feel free.

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Yeah thanks for the table. And thats why I add in the last sentence that GP-friendly is still in since Stayc is still doing well. But my question is more like should the definition for GP-friendly expand. Because a lot of songs in 3rd gen that hit big are songs that seem instantly catchy, whereas now you have songs like Next Level, Dalla where people said it takes them multiple times to get used to them and then get addicted. So the definition of GP-friendly should open up to include these kind of songs that are weird at first, but then make sense and become addictive after multiple listens instead of just instantly catchy songs like Dynamite or sth.

Depends on the context? If you want to discuss what truly is gp friendly you will never reach an answer since trends change all the time, something like Stay by JB can be considered gp friendly now but if released years ago everyone would find it weird, on the other side if you released something like everytime we touch by cascada people will find it dated despite it being extremely catchy when it was released. Maybe we're going through a phase were people are getting used to more disjointed songs or some years ago they'll sound dated too, who knows

To avoid all this thinking I just refer gp friendly to pop songs that are very easy to listen to with structure and elements that were already used in other hit songs, like Levitating

Kick it is nct biggest song instead of songs that typically fit the 'public friendly' sound people talk about. Touch, Hello Future, 90's love, etc none of them got as big as Kick It. That's enough for me to know success isn't all about "public friendliness"

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That -- did not clear things up... Could you spell out what GP stands for? I was not able to understand the reference you gave.....

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one 4th gen gg did have a massive nation-wide gp hit, however:

niziu

'make you happy' was the song of 2020 in japan.

possibly even the most widely known pop song of the last decade.

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I'm not following NiziU super closely or anything so I could be wrong but isn't this an over exaggeration? Last I checked make you happy sold around 300k in Japan, that doesn't sound like song of the year, let alone decade. I understand their debut did very well in terms of girl groups but do they really compare with Japan's top singers who are selling millions per release?

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nl was definitely a hit among younger folks and kpop fans.

but you didn't see middle aged office workers and grandmas dancing to it while seeing it on prime time tv shows all day every day.

cheer up and make you happy were those types of hits with gp.

Bruh so many comedians danced to it. Regular tiktoks of middle aged men dancing to it during vaccination. Military officers dancing to it too. Adult ass jazz and hiphop singers covering it casually?

Wow, the narrative is rly shitty. First the “non existent international success” and then now a “faux gp hit”?

Bothered af.

Eleven and asap are the most gp friendly song to come out from 4th generation

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Eleven and asap are the most gp friendly song to come out from 4th generation

Eleven isn’t experimental but some many people expected the song to be girl crush or thought they would have debuted with a teen crush concept