And by this i mean that they constantly are promoting at the same time as difficult acts to promote against internationally and it sort of forced them into a local group. Dont get me wrong, none of them are afraid of their bills not being paid or anything but they still could be MORE successful if they were timed better
I don’t think IVE is marketed the best they can be by Starship
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Can't wait for them to flop so that competition for tickets will be less
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TEACH THEM
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They're doing the multi-Title/MV thing
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But was it bad that they went against big acts when they managed to stay on top against each of them?
Love Dive: #1, multiple soty daesangs
After Like: #1 went viral, highest UL peak record of 4th gen
Kitsch: #1, did really well for a surprise release
I Am: #1, 2nd longest 4th gen song on top10 behind only hype boy, highest ul record for 2023.
I think that only makes Ive cooler that they werent afraid of competing directly against big groups, show that theres confidence in their music and appeal.
Their lowest performing songs were Eleven (#3) and Either Way (#13), the latter had only 1 MV of promo: about that I agree it was managed in a the worst way possible, but the song and mv paid off.
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I don’t think the competition is their biggest problem imo and it always helped them to get bigger exposure
I'm confused, who are these 'difficult acts' they're competing against internationally.
In March and April when I am dropped, who was the big kpop group promoting at the same time?
Hum…in a world where Jisoo doesn’t exist
And last year they were competing against BB, BP, NJ, Twice, SNSD
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Confidence is everything. When the company is this confident about the group, it sends a strong message to K-pop fans — maybe it's worth checking out the comeback. That alone is unofficial promotion.
That confidence rubs off on the members. This shows in how they carry themselves onstage and offstage.
I'm not an expert in sales or charts, so someone might counter my point using numbers and all. That may be the case, but this is what I see from my perspective as a non-charts person.
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I'm confused, who are these 'difficult acts' they're competing against internationally.
In March and April when I am dropped, who was the big kpop group promoting at the same time?
Ive already went against bp g idle nj aespa lsf jisoo snsd jimin exo just to name a few bc every release of theirs were during full house. I'm pretty sure i forgot more, i cant blame you for not being aware bc when ive takes #1 its easy to forget their competitors
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Starship isn't doing their best for IVE this comeback for sure. However, the competition was never a problem. IVE is one of the top digital monster in Korea right now. They should only be afraid of BTS, NewJeans, IU, LYW, and AKMU(Maybe I missed some
)and for internationally, unless Columbia or Starship do something to promote them in the west, they won't go higher.I still can't believe that their album isn't distribute to the US yet? like Cravity have their own store like with how popular IVE is shouldn't Starship do thing faster? like they are too uncompetitive is a problem.
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they're doing pretty good, just cause their streak of Korean #1's got broken with Either Way, doesn't mean its the end of the world
there's clearly interest in marketing them more internationally, the next 2 Title Tracks are Friday releases I believe
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Starship isn't doing their best for IVE this comeback for sure. However, the competition was never a problem. IVE is one of the top digital monster in Korea right now. They should only be afraid of BTS, NewJeans, IU, LYW, and AKMU(Maybe I missed some
)and for internationally, unless Columbia or Starship do something to promote them in the west, they won't go higher.I still can't believe that their album isn't distribute to the US yet? like Cravity have their own store like with how popular IVE is shouldn't Starship do thing faster? like they are too uncompetitive is a problem.
Considering they used to promote monsta x massively in the west. It’s not like they have no experience they should just stick to Korea.
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They always felt more of a trend group that will be up and down. Never got any other vibe from them and I don’t think this will change.
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I don't think Either Way is the type of song that casual listeners want from them. If the title track is more in the likes of their previous ones, dance pop-oriented with an empowering message, they will do great on the charts.
They are still a new group, not even 2 years old, plenty of time to promote in other markets and whatnot.
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Either way is a great song, they just need to promote in music shows...put WY singing with a pretty outfit in a dreamy set and this song will peak...I am still waiting to see them performing the song
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Yes! I know business better than successful businessmen.
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Hum…in a world where Jisoo doesn’t exist
I said Kpop Groups, so full credit for Jisoo for splitting herself into multiples, but nonetheless I guess that counts.
They don't really compete in the same space at all. If Jisoo and Jimin is the best people can give for a March/April window then IVE pretty much had that window to themselves in their demographic.
They went against all of them in March and April this year? Wow that was definitely a period I forgot.
The only real claim to 'competition' you have is After Like. Both Love Dive and I am (and Eleven) weren't exactly fighting their way in a packed house - they had maybe one other group making noise at the same time if that, and barely any groups which had demographic crossover - except for After Like.
(Also they've never gone against Exo, LSF or Aespa directly, and Idle is very tenuous considering it was 3 weeks after)
You guys are acting like it's some sort of gross incompetence that every so often (1 out of 4) there's a fair amount of groups promoting at the same time. It's a bit of a reach.
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Who's releasing the same time as them internationally?
This year's been dead in the west
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obviously I'm speculating but isn't it like an industry secret that the big x collude together to ensure that their group's releases don't line up exactly???
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I said Kpop Groups, so full credit for Jisoo for splitting herself into multiples, but nonetheless I guess that counts.
They don't really compete in the same space at all. If Jisoo and Jimin is the best people can give for a March/April window then IVE pretty much had that window to themselves in their demographic.
They went against all of them in March and April this year? Wow that was definitely a period I forgot.
The only real claim to 'competition' you have is After Like. Both Love Dive and I am (and Eleven) weren't exactly fighting their way in a packed house - they had maybe one other group making noise at the same time if that, and barely any groups which had demographic crossover - except for After Like.
(Also they've never gone against Exo, LSF or Aespa directly, and Idle is very tenuous considering it was 3 weeks after)
You guys are acting like it's some sort of gross incompetence that every so often (1 out of 4) there's a fair amount of groups promoting at the same time. It's a bit of a reach.
Ive debuted in the same month IU, Mino, Somi and bol4 released music. Also Everglow, Twice, Stray Kids, Itzy, Monsta X and Ateez, and Seventeen which are known names in the industry, what I would call full house.
Love Dive was released during the same time as BigBang's last song together Still Life which had a record of 800k+ ULs. It was LD's direct competition. Psy feat. Suga also released a song in the same month (That That).
I won't mention After Like since you're already aware that it went directly against Blackpink, NewJeans, SNSD and Twice.
I Am competed directly against G-idle's Queencard, Le Sserafim's Unforgiven, aespa's Spicy. ALL of these songs achieved #1 on melon during that time.
You don't even know the stuff you talk about lol, clearly a typical ive naysayer used to talk bullshit hoping it sticks.
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"Kakao Entertainment has also signed a partnership with Columbia Records, a label under Sony Music, and is in the process of carrying out a world tour and advancement into North America for IVE, a girl group from Starship Entertainment under Kakao Entertainment."
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"Kakao Entertainment has also signed a partnership with Columbia Records, a label under Sony Music, and is in the process of carrying out a world tour and advancement into North America for IVE, a girl group from Starship Entertainment under Kakao Entertainment."
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I said Kpop Groups, so full credit for Jisoo for splitting herself into multiples, but nonetheless I guess that counts.
They don't really compete in the same space at all. If Jisoo and Jimin is the best people can give for a March/April window then IVE pretty much had that window to themselves in their demographic.
They went against all of them in March and April this year? Wow that was definitely a period I forgot.
The only real claim to 'competition' you have is After Like. Both Love Dive and I am (and Eleven) weren't exactly fighting their way in a packed house - they had maybe one other group making noise at the same time if that, and barely any groups which had demographic crossover - except for After Like.
(Also they've never gone against Exo, LSF or Aespa directly, and Idle is very tenuous considering it was 3 weeks after)
You guys are acting like it's some sort of gross incompetence that every so often (1 out of 4) there's a fair amount of groups promoting at the same time. It's a bit of a reach.
Your only argument is that this year they haven’t enough competition this year. While a month right after they had LSR, Gidle and Aespa and they basically released at the same time as Jisoo.
So I don’t know why you’re playing dense when we all know IVE promotes usually when big acts cb.
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"Kakao Entertainment has also signed a partnership with Columbia Records, a label under Sony Music, and is in the process of carrying out a world tour and advancement into North America for IVE, a girl group from Starship Entertainment under Kakao Entertainment."
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relax, wait until their title track. They'll be fine
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I Am: #1, 2nd longest 4th gen song on top10 behind only hype boy
You got a source for this?
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Starship isn't doing their best for IVE this comeback for sure. However, the competition was never a problem. IVE is one of the top digital monster in Korea right now. They should only be afraid of BTS, NewJeans, IU, LYW, and AKMU(Maybe I missed some
)and for internationally, unless Columbia or Starship do something to promote them in the west, they won't go higher.I still can't believe that their album isn't distribute to the US yet? like Cravity have their own store like with how popular IVE is shouldn't Starship do thing faster? like they are too uncompetitive is a problem.
I'm just afraid SS will become like SM, who put all their groups in a bubble to make sure they will not bigger than they supposed to be. SM didn't want their artists to have more influence than them, so it's easier to pressure them to renew their contract later. When those groups are big enough to their liking, the company will giving less and less effort to promote them to make sure the group didn't burst the boundary that already set.
Idk if SS saw Yg /Bp situation right now and have some doubt about Ive.
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I'm just afraid SS will become like SM, who put all their groups in a bubble to make sure they will not bigger than they supposed to be. SM didn't want their artists to have more influence than them, so it's easier to pressure them to renew their contract later. When those groups are big enough to their liking, the company will giving less and less effort to promote them to make sure the group didn't burst the boundary that already set.
Idk if SS saw Yg /Bp situation right now and have some doubt about Ive.
Yes this could be definitely why they haven't turned on the juice yet, and are pressuring them to sign new contracts.
Kitsch - Melon Peak #1, 496,449 ULs
Either Way - Melon Peak #13, ~125,000 ULs
Both are pre-release title tracks, just 5 months apart, yet they have dropped 75% in ULs or 375,000 ULs. Its just mean that they are not helping to fully market them like before. It makes them look like they are B-Tier.
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Yes this could be definitely why they haven't turned on the juice yet, and are pressuring them to sign new contracts.
Kitsch - Melon Peak #1, 496,449 ULs
Either Way - Melon Peak #13, ~125,000 ULs
Both are pre-release title tracks, just 5 months apart, yet they have dropped 75% in ULs or 375,000 ULs. Its just mean that they are not helping to fully market them like before. It makes them look like they are B-Tier.
lmao will you eat your words once off the record/baddie is released? either way is a slow ballad song and ive title track wise are known for their upbeat songs
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lmao will you eat your words once off the record/baddie is released? either way is a slow ballad song and ive title track wise are known for their upbeat songs
Huh?
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You got a source for this?
Circle digital top10
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Yes this could be definitely why they haven't turned on the juice yet, and are pressuring them to sign new contracts.
Kitsch - Melon Peak #1, 496,449 ULs
Either Way - Melon Peak #13, ~125,000 ULs
Both are pre-release title tracks, just 5 months apart, yet they have dropped 75% in ULs or 375,000 ULs. Its just mean that they are not helping to fully market them like before. It makes them look like they are B-Tier.
They were already promoting Kitsch before Kitsch was released. They went to some variety show like Amazing Saturday to promote them. However, for Either Way, SS did no shit with them. Also, Kpop group ballad tend to not do well.
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They were already promoting Kitsch before Kitsch was released. They went to some variety show like Amazing Saturday to promote them. However, for Either Way, SS did no shit with them. Also, Kpop group ballad tend to not do well.
And even with just 1 mv as promotion Either Way peaked higher than Cool With You that had much stronger promotion - 3 music videos, 2 celebs appearances and 1 dance practice. People underestimate Either Way's performance on charts only because it's Ive.
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And even with just 1 mv as promotion Either Way peaked higher than Cool With You that had much stronger promotion - 3 music videos, 2 celebs appearances and 1 dance practice. People underestimate Either Way's performance on charts only because it's Ive.
I didn't mention any other song because I don't want to create fanwar, but you mention it
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