Sales are irrelevant if your favs flop on charts

    Flopping on chart means nobody is listening to the song, for singers their song is the most important thing.


    They ain't salesmen who's skill should be measured with how many useless cardboard boxes with outdated technology disks inside can they sell to masses of fools.

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    Quote from SooYoung

    well if only Title track chart doesn't mean that people actually only care about title tracks and not really artist songs

    and then they should just release single album ?

    Well majority of b-sides in kpop albums are fillers anyways put just to increase song count as formality. Those b-sides that are actually good songs do get popular and appreciated.

    Let’s put it this way. A group that only sells well versus a group that only charts well but doesn’t sell. Which group you think makes the most money, tours, sells the most merchandise etc. charting does show general relevance but album sales shows fandom size. They are both important but I think fans are more important

    Quote from Teudungi21

    Let’s put it this way. A group that only sells well versus a group that only charts well but doesn’t sell. Which group you think makes the most money, tours, sells the most merchandise etc. charting does show general relevance but album sales shows fandom size. They are both important but I think fans are more important

    Getting fandom isn't a achievement , world is full of simps. Real achivement is excelling in their primary field of work or the product they produce, and for singers its their songs. What's the point if a gazillion copies of album is mass bought by their fandom but nobody outside the fandom listens to the song or gives a fk about the song because the song sucks.

    Quote from xiaotingskeep1r

    I mean... you need both lol

    You need to make money while also being relevant with the gp to get endorsments etc etc

    endorsements and sales etc are all secondary for a musician, the primary thing that defines the singer is their songs.


    Like for example actors are remembered for their popular movies and the iconic roles they did, not for how much salary they got paid for the said movies/role or if they got do endorsement/ads from big brands. Even if they got paid a lot of salary or got endorsements but the movie/role they did was utter crap nobody will remember.

    Quote from thebadguy

    Getting fandom isn't an achievement , world is full of simps. Real achivement is excelling in their primary field of work or the product they produce, and for singers its their songs. What's the point if a gazillion copies of album is mass bought by their fandom but nobody outside the fandom listens to the song or gives a fk about the song because the song sucks.

    Your argument doesn’t make much sense. The point of being on those charts is to gain fans. A group can’t survive off charting alone. You realize streaming makes artists basically no money right? The goal of all groups is to have a solid base of fans that will buy their products.

    Charting is more to do with the producers tho not the idols, having hit songs doesn't mean people like you or appreciate you. On the contrary having sales means you have fandom and have people care about you. And that is earned by your talent and charm. Loyal fanbase is backbone of every artist, and that brings the most profit. Having hit song is cool but if you can't have the charm to turn those casuals into hard-core fan then it's useless.

    Quote from thebadguy

    Getting fandom isn't an achievement , world is full of simps. Real achivement is excelling in their primary field of work or the product they produce, and for singers its their songs. What's the point if a gazillion copies of album is mass bought by their fandom but nobody outside the fandom listens to the song or gives a fk about the song because the song sucks.

    Is it better than being a one hit wonder though? Your song is more known to the public but no one knows you.


    Or radio artists where you chart well but found it difficult to earn money via album sales and can’t even sell out arena tours?


    Ask any artists and they definitely will answer album and tour sales trumps good charting any day. They need to earn their living..

    Quote from thebadguy

    Getting fandom isn't a achievement , world is full of simps. Real achivement is excelling in their primary field of work or the product they produce, and for singers its their songs. What's the point if a gazillion copies of album is mass bought by their fandom but nobody outside the fandom listens to the song or gives a fk about the song because the song sucks.


    These arent singers. They're idols. They're entertainers and performers, dancing and fanservice/variety/acting are equally as important as song quality lol.


    If you really cared about "song quality" why are you even listening to any current pop music? The golden era of pop music has long passed us by, you should be rocking the 70s, 80s, and early 90s oldies stations like i am.

    Quote from thebadguy

    Musically they are. After decades singers are remembered for their popular, iconic and viral songs, not for the number of useless crap they sold.

    yes, although if you only have one big viral song with 0 sales or any other decent hits the song will be more remembered than the artist. not good in the long term.

    Quote from jinaland

    Charting is more to do with the producers tho not the idols, having hit songs doesn't mean people like you or appreciate you. On the contrary having sales means you have fandom and have people care about you. And that is earned by your talent and charm. Loyal fanbase is backbone of every artist, and that brings the most profit. Having hit song is cool but if you can't have the charm to turn those casuals into hard-core fan then it's useless.

    you think nmixx worked so much harder and is so much more talented than mamamoo? they sold more without people even know the members names. maybe its the company who is to 90% responsible for a groups success. either on the charts and on sales.^^


    make people listen to your songs is art. make people buy your stuff is business. both is relevant.

    yes
    this is true
    for a GG without a gen public support
    just a fandom power
    it will help they sell a lot of album
    but lack of public recognition?

    perfect example of this is
    2NE1 ,ITZY,AESPA or even BP? well maybe exception of 2NE1 and BP?
    still even back then at their rival peak head to head they didn't beat SNSD and TWICE 😑😉

    especially if they still

    want to be considered to be a top GG
    or have a shot to be #1 GG of their era

    ONLY deranged FANS brag about how MUCH their PAYOLA AND FAKE group are selling, WHILE NOBODY IN KOREA KNOWS THEM OR LIKES THEM! just LOOK at ONCE! deranged FANDOM! liars and fraudulent PEOPLE who HAVE NO CLEAR CONSCIOUS IN LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    We see girl groups chart well all the time but they never have the longitivtiy boy groups have because no one is buying their albums and going to their concerts.


    So no, I think sales are more important. A big supportive fanbase will always be more important. Most groups that survive long are those that sell.


    Charts do not pay, they are to help introduce new fans to your group and turn them into paying customers

    Quote from thebadguy

    Getting fandom isn't a achievement , world is full of simps. Real achivement is excelling in their primary field of work or the product they produce, and for singers its their songs. What's the point if a gazillion copies of album is mass bought by their fandom but nobody outside the fandom listens to the song or gives a fk about the song because the song sucks.

    They are idols, their primary job is, of course, to perform. Thats why they have long ass training years to peactice singing and dancing


    Being able to be festival headliners and sell out concerts is very likely their primary job. Kpop industry was pretty much build open this, that's why they perform so much in music shows and award shows


    Indeed originally music industry was built over the idea of live performances. Do you know why rock bands are legendary? Hardly because of hit songs, as most of them had very few actual hits among the general public (if any hit at all), but because they developed cult following of many people who loved to see them live


    You have a clear misunderstanding of what makes an artist truly memorable, you just said yourself you're not interested in 90s and 80s "ancient music", so you actually agree 99% of our current hits will be forgotten in a matter of few years and are not memorable at all ?

    Quote from Flowercrew

    Charting high can't fill your tummy if it doesn't convert to sales, tbh🤷🏽‍♀️

    Exactly you'd have to be a clown 🤡 to think charting means anything if it doesn't net you results $$$$ there's countless one hit wonders and other popular people, musicians etc but fell off because their trade isn't paying them MONEY $$ Having a good fan base is always more important and every artist wants fandom over pointless popularity. What's the point of being famous if you don't get paid for it?

    Both are important. My hot take is that in order to stay relevant and competitive, K-Pop needs to focus more on producing hit singles, not just a million versions of albums only a small base of people is hearing. We are starting to see a shift. Revenue is important but so is cultural impact/making songs all kinds of people fall in love with.


    Edit: I'm answering from the perspective of what I think is most beneficial and impactful for K-Pop as a whole at this moment in time vs. what I think artists individually value the most. That's impossible to answer.

    Are you saying the above mentioned groups not chart well but sell a lot compared to their peers. Also 2ne1 was a digital powerhouse in 2nd generation but their physical sales are not that good.

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