Why didn't QUEENDOM 2 have any stage with a great repercussion?

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  • things were very super underwhelming from the start aside from like 1 or 2 and they caught on too late with the grand stage performances. But at that point, most the hype surrounding the show was gone. The tv ratings in sk were solid, but imo, that was only because of certain contestants and gg hype. But ultimately we'll see that with the finale, if a song does break out or not.

    I watched the intro and 1st round stages on Youtube out of curiosity, but the stages weren't really Interesting me, so I stopped following.


    I thought everything was indeed underwhelming from what I saw, but I don't like to judge what I didn't see/listen to and that's why I asked If I was missing something.

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    damn this flop show truly was a waste of everyone’s time. The show was apparently boring and the performances underwhelming, not to mention all the animosity suddenly erected between the fandoms, and now none of the groups’ songs are even catching a whiff of relevance? It’s a lose-lose-lose situation :facepalm:


    I was ambivalent about the discourse at the time but itzy ultimately dodged a bullet there lol

  • 1. the stages need a lot of work and some of the remixes are really bad, i also bother how half of the groups legit ignore the audience, like they are there, at least look at them lmao, lets not speak that they make the stages in a way how the audience don't even see some parts of it, one thing i loved in S1 is the they did pay attention to audience even in more dance focused performance


    2. the second is fans, i only watched Q1 but i don't remember so many fanwars and fans weren't crazy to nitpick everything, especially orbits ruined for me, they are batshit crazy bashing anybody which don't worriship Loona, kep1er fans bash each other everywhere lol, at least they keep inside the group and viviz fans used to have a thing for hating kep1er too during first half, they did chilled a bit during second half


    3. popularity, most of the groups are not that popular, they need bigger groups, maybe wait a year and get groups like Lesserafim, IVE, (1 year old) Kep1er, Nmixx, Stayc and Hyolyn is okey as solo would be way better. Hyolyn and Kep1er are obvious, i think they can get Stayc and Nmixx too, the other 2 are harder but who knows

  • loona is too nugu / no standouts

    wjsn has no standouts aside from bona (?) / yeonjung

    viviz and kep1er are literal rookie, at least viviz need to enter with gfriend if they want to enter q2

    brave girls' discography is also unknown to almost everyone

    hyolyn is the only one carrying the show on her back ON HER OWN


    i still think kep1er shouldn't enter q2 because they are at a literal disadvantage even from the start

  • For me I have found very few of the stages to be smooth and coherant. Most of them are adding all these extra stories and parts and when the audio is released, those parts are included. From round 1, only Kep1er and Hyolyn had decent remixes that you could listen to in a playlist without it sounding exactly like it was taken from a special performance. The same thing happened in round 2. In round 3, only 1 of the vocal units songs were released which was the one that placed last anyway. The dance performances did not show the groups well at all because of crap lighting and all of the backup dancers. It actually ruined the point of it.

    And for the FAN-tastic stages, they were mostly underwhelming. Most of them just had way too much going on on stage or the remix was crap. Brave Girls were definetly the best, then Hyolyn and Kep1er but there is such a thing against Kep1er for some reason. Their stage was one of the best, it flowed nicely and was by far the strongest stage. Loona's was underwhelming and lost most of the strength that made Butterfly amazing, but don't tell Orbits that, because as far as they are concerned, it was the best ever stage and the reasons other groups gave for rating them as the worst were nonsense. WJSN's Pantomine was nice but again, way too much going on in their stage, the flying would have been amazing if they were in the centre and not off to the side. And VIVIZ did not show their strengths at all.

    And the final songs, 2 of them are made for the stage and aren't great for having in a playlist. Loona and WJSN again focused only on the stage and not making the song strong which is the overall theme I have noticed.


    Note: I love every group here but I feel like it became focused way too much on who showed the biggest stage with the most going on rather than quality of performance which is why Hyolyn did so well the first 2 rounds.

  • The stages aren't impressive enough. Hyorin did the best overall but it isn't as great as previous seasons stages imo. The instagram performance Minnie and Hyejeong did, the omg version of destiny, AOA version of egoistic, g idle lion, etc were performances that interested me to the point of wanting to check out the respective groups. I didn't know most of them that well but thanks to their great skills i started to listen to them. The same hasn't happened this season and maybe that's the case with most public

  • For me I have found very few of the stages to be smooth and coherant. Most of them are adding all these extra stories and parts and when the audio is released, those parts are included. From round 1, only Kep1er and Hyolyn had decent remixes that you could listen to in a playlist without it sounding exactly like it was taken from a special performance. The same thing happened in round 2. In round 3, only 1 of the vocal units songs were released which was the one that placed last anyway. The dance performances did not show the groups well at all because of crap lighting and all of the backup dancers. It actually ruined the point of it.

    And for the FAN-tastic stages, they were mostly underwhelming. Most of them just had way too much going on on stage or the remix was crap. Brave Girls were definetly the best, then Hyolyn and Kep1er but there is such a thing against Kep1er for some reason. Their stage was one of the best, it flowed nicely and was by far the strongest stage. Loona's was underwhelming and lost most of the strength that made Butterfly amazing, but don't tell Orbits that, because as far as they are concerned, it was the best ever stage and the reasons other groups gave for rating them as the worst were nonsense. WJSN's Pantomine was nice but again, way too much going on in their stage, the flying would have been amazing if they were in the centre and not off to the side. And VIVIZ did not show their strengths at all.

    And the final songs, 2 of them are made for the stage and aren't great for having in a playlist. Loona and WJSN again focused only on the stage and not making the song strong which is the overall theme I have noticed.


    Note: I love every group here but I feel like it became focused way too much on who showed the biggest stage with the most going on rather than quality of performance which is why Hyolyn did so well the first 2 rounds.

    Interesting because i fond The Boyz performance underwhelming, the dancing was great but their vocals were nowhere near the original, the live stage had some cracks and obvious vocal strains which is why likely their live votes weren't that great but mnet edited it during the release.


    Covering a well known song means getting compared with the original.


    I don't think The Boyz was a good choice for Kep1er, especially when they don't have a power vocalist, there are plenty other SNSD songs they could use and do it better.

  • It's hard to compare with S1 because three years ago, several acts came in with a whole narrative, namely Park Bom and AOA. Their presence in the show was already a story in and of itself. So I guess there was a lot of curiosity about them.

    Plus, (G)I-DLE as the new generation wunderkind did a lot to elevate the quality of everyone's performances. And even though they were the youngest, they already had a decent discography to dig into, unlike Kep1er, VIVIZ (if you exclude GFriend songs) and even Brave Girls in a way.


    So this year, it's not that the groups are bad; it's just that there's not a compelling story to tell about them. And the stages are not bold and innovative enough. They don't compare to Put It Straight Nightmare version or AOA's Egotistic with the vogue dancers imo. The concepts the groups have come with this year, they're not bad per se, but they're not very surprising. They don't reinvent the original songs enough and, even worse, sometimes the remixes just don't sound good.

  • 1. I don't think people were interested in watching 68th version of Wa Da Da

    2. LOONA covid struck and them not getting points ruined their chances to be 'competitive' in terms of winning show

    3. If GFriend was in a decline for years, then how just 3 members of this group attract masses? Especially with just 1 original song in their 'resume'.

    4. Brave Girls should perform Rollin in 1st episode to boost everything.

    5. Data show that 3rd episode had highest tv ratings, and then the decline started. WJSN performing Navillera, and Brave Girls performing MVSK didn't have any 'additional impact' to the show.

    6. Hyolyn winning both in 1st and 2nd round killed 'hype' of the show, it's like everyone was ahhhh yeah so she is the queen and will win everything. With something like that it's obvious it becomes least interesting.

    7. Two episodes were broadcasted during Korean holidays (free days), and one was broadcasted two days before another holiday. What I've seen through blogs/vlogs and read online usually in that early May many Koreans take some days-off/leave work to "make" it a whole 'free week' of work/school.

    8. In addition in the middle of the show Korean government lift all corona restrictions including 'masks off' when outside. So with spring weather people just went out during day, so kids/teenagers were doing homework later when the moon was already on the sky, same with adults preparing for next day in work.

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    So some reasons I think Queendom 2 isn’t doing as well as previous seasons.


    • The contestants aren’t as popular. This is probably the biggest problem. What made Queendom originally stand out was how star packed the lineup was. Kingdom was able to top Queendom’s lineup bringing in even bigger groups, at least internationally. Queendom 2 however are filled with mid-tier contestants. The biggest act internationally is Kep1er who debuted two months before the show started airing. None of the contestants had a big enough following to attract real attention like previous seasons.
    • They aren’t as strong performers. This gonna sound harsh but on average the groups don’t have as strong stage presence as previous seasons. When I saw the lineup it was the first thing that hit me (I think I even made a post about it lol). The only real stand out performer on Q2 is Hyolyn while Q1 had both Mamamoo and Gidle. Loona are also solid performers and can match OMG and AOA. But that’s it. Kep1er has potential but are too inexperienced, Viviz is still figuring out how to perform with 3 members, Brave Girls performance style doesn’t suit Queendom and WJSN was never the best performance group and are now missing a large part of their original lineup.
    • People have impossible expectations. People are looking back at previous seasons with rose tinted glasses. Many of the stages on previous seasons weren’t that good, some downright bad, but people don’t remember those. Q1 had very lacking stage production compared to Q2 and many of the performances weren’t that different from music show stages. Kingdom performances felt off since there was no live audience and people complained about them relying too heavily on props and camera tricks. People want the Q2 stages to simultaneously be as grand as Kingdom’s but somehow still live audience friendly like Q1’s.
    • Viewers are bored with the show. Q1 felt fresh. It was a completely new concept nobody had seen before. RTK was the first season with male idols. The show had already lost some casual interest by the time Kingdom was airing but the groups competing had big enough fandoms to make up for it. Q2 is the 4th season of the show. Everyone knows the concept and it doesn’t feel special anymore.

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  • The cast of Queendom is too overwhelming, not enough groups liked by the Gp Brave girls momentum has died out and for Viviz even though their debut was well received it's not enough to bring people to watch them, Loona and Kep1er are groups that have and international fandom, and for Wjsn they're somehow in the middle, and for Hyolyn well not enough international recognition and same thing for the gp she's not the Hyolyn from Sister where most of here solo works were hits.


    When it comes to stages and performances, i feel like they bullied too much anticipation only for it to be very lackluster or straight out bad, i feel like the groups are holding themselves too much and they're afraid to experiment, all they do is take song remix it , in Queendom 1 Oh my girl, AOA and G idle made songs that aren't theirs their own, their covers felt like a whole new song while keeping the essence of the original song and the best example for that was AOA egotistic cover it was so good the some people even deemed better than the original .


    Diffrent elements played in Queendom 2 failure ; overwhelming cast and lackluster songs, although some stages were very well executed like Tam in na and the vocal units.


    Honestly nothing beets Queendom 1 not even Kingdom

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  • So some reasons I think Queendom 2 isn’t doing as well as previous seasons.


    • The contestants aren’t as popular. This is probably the biggest problem. What made Queendom originally stand out was how star packed the lineup was. Kingdom was able to top Queendom’s lineup bringing in even bigger groups, at least internationally. Queendom 2 however are filled with mid-tier contestants. The biggest act internationally is Kep1er who debuted two months before the show started airing. None of the contestants had a big enough following to attract real attention like previous seasons.
    • They aren’t as strong performers. This gonna sound harsh but on average the groups don’t have as strong stage presence as previous seasons. When I saw the lineup it was the first thing that hit me (I think I even made a post about it lol). The only real stand out performer on Q2 is Hyolyn while Q1 had both Mamamoo and Gidle. Loona are also solid performers and can match OMG and AOA. But that’s it. Kep1er has potential but are too inexperienced, Viviz is still figuring out how to perform with 3 members, Brave Girls performance style doesn’t suit Queendom and WJSN was never the best performance group and are now missing a large part of their original lineup.
    • People have impossible expectations. People are looking back at previous seasons with rose tinted glasses. Many of the stages on previous seasons weren’t that good, some downright bad, but people don’t remember those. Q1 had very lacking stage production compared to Q2 and many of the performances weren’t that different from music show stages. Kingdom performances felt off since there was no live audience and people complained about them relying too heavily on props and camera tricks. People want the Q2 stages to simultaneously be as grand as Kingdom’s but somehow still live audience friendly like Q1’s.
    • Viewers are bored with the show. Q1 felt fresh. It was a completely new concept nobody had seen before. RTK was the first season with male idols. The show had already lost some casual interest by the time Kingdom was airing but the groups competing had big enough fandoms to make up for it. Q2 is the 4th season of the show. Everyone knows the concept and it doesn’t feel special anymore.

    I think you explained very well. It makes sense :/

  • quick answer : No Mamamoo


    a little longer answer : no mamamoo and (G)I-DLE


    (G)I-DLE came in with more hype and expectation than any Q2 group. They are also insane performers compared to most groups so it went well.


    For a memorable performance, you need insane performers, Q2 has one, hyolyn, who isn't even popular so that sucks. Q1 had both MMM and Gidle who were also the 2 most popular so everything went well.


    Also the entertainment is bad, Q1 was normal bad, Q2 is like super bad, you just want to switch to something else when there are no performances. Also performances aren't ambitious at all (like aoa and MMM in Q1). The vocal lineup was worse (thanks mamamoo) and the dance lineup was unoriginal and somehow worse.


    It feels like one of if not the least popular contestant Hyolyn was the only one really trying something. Loona cam with a lot of hype and missed a whole episode. WJSN is like the OMG of this year Queendom and arguably their most popular member wasn't here.


    Long story short, probably a slightly weaker lineup, less risk taken, worse performers all leading to bad showing. Also Mnet oudoing themselves in bad production, despite the terrible production of Season 1

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