Idols that participate most in the creative process?

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Despite Stray Kids only being a 4 year old group, Bang Chan, Changbin, and Han are the 12th, 20th, and 22nd most credited idols of all time with 120, 108, and 105 credits respectively.

They don't just write verses, they're consistently the only lyricists, almost always main and often sole composers of their songs, and Chan has been arranging increasingly more, sometimes as the only arranger, as you can see

There are also SKZ-Player/SKZ-Record songs that aren't listed here, almost all of them were only arranged by Chan.

Seventeen without a doubt

Woozi is known as the master composer,but I'm pretty sure at this point most, if not all members have participated in song writing.

Then you have Hoshi as the master choreographer,but I'm pretty sure the rest of the performance unit also did choreographing.

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Despite Stray Kids only being a 4 year old group, Bang Chan, Changbin, and Han are the 12th, 20th, and 22nd most credited idols of all time with 120, 108, and 105 credits respectively.

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They don't just write verses, they're consistently the only lyricists, almost always main and often sole composers of their songs, and Chan has been arranging increasingly more, sometimes as the only arranger, as you can see

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There are also SKZ-Player/SKZ-Record songs that aren't listed here, almost all of them were only arranged by Chan.

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Legends?

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Legends?

of course

LOONA members all focus on improving skill and performance and rarely on creative stuff

but that could also be because BBC is IMMENSELY control-hungry over their productions ( and hey it gives great results )

maybe Kim Lip?

she wrote most of their Ryan Jhun collab

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Despite Stray Kids only being a 4 year old group, Bang Chan, Changbin, and Han are the 12th, 20th, and 22nd most credited idols of all time with 120, 108, and 105 credits respectively.

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They don't just write verses, they're consistently the only lyricists, almost always main and often sole composers of their songs, and Chan has been arranging increasingly more, sometimes as the only arranger, as you can see

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There are also SKZ-Player/SKZ-Record songs that aren't listed here, almost all of them were only arranged by Chan.

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Only 1 women

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Only 1 women

three actually

it's indeed unfortunate but at least these days there's more female idols who participate in the creative process

Soyeon

Stray Kids threesome

Day6

Woozi has done Seventeen's music since the very start! This was the first song he ever made and then we have Hoshi who also has been choreographer since the very beginning

These two are a dream team

Kinda cheating since Day6 is a band but hey, he's in the Komca top 10 for a reason

Is there any other idol that has singlehandedly written an entire song that made it to the top 10 of Gaon Weekly? Or Melon Weekly?

Cause Soyeon has written THREE songs by herself that did this, and was the sole lyricist for a fourth song, Tomboy, that also hit this mark.

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I love that SKZ has so much control over their creative process. It really has translated to a specific "voice" that they have even as they try different styles.

True That "voice" is something I really love about their music

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I've seen this list before. I wish there was one that focused on composing credits. I feel like this is so skewed towards rappers since they are more likely going to write their verses even if the rest of the song are written by people outside the group. Also, I feel like there are fewer idols that compose than write lyrics. I would love to see who the idol-composers are. Some of the rappers on the whole list do compose (like SKZ), but some do not.

That would be interesting!

Jjong and Minho man consistently writing for SHINee since debut and Key participates on concept, styling and album design

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I wonder if the list would look different if it omitted rappers who are writing their verses. I feel like there are more bgs that are hiphop oriented with multiple rappers who write verses. Would there be more women represented? Do you know any ggs that do some writing/composing? I've heard Purple Kiss are pretty active that way, but they are newer and don't have that many songs yet.

Purple Kiss has indeed a member (Chaein) who's been the primary songwriter for three songs (one on the previous EP, and two on their upcoming EP). Also, their rapper Yuki writes all her raps, which is even more commendable since she's Japanese. Other members have some shared lyric credits here and there too.

But the big difference with a group like IDLE (totally not a random example lol) is that when it comes to title tracks, it's still the big honchos at RBW who are at the helm. But after IDLE, they're the closest thing to a self produced gg.

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I've heard Purple Kiss are pretty active that way, but they are newer and don't have that many songs yet.

Purple Kiss Yuki is already the most credited 4th gen girl after Soyeon

But yes girls are more "active" in 4th gen, things are changing and women have a better place. In 3th gen you got group like Mamamoo or Dreamcatcher who are credited.

AleXa had mentioned that since she's the debut artist of ZB Label, she has her hands in a few pots; she has some good influence in the company...

I dunno how much tho.

Soyeon writes, composes, and arranges entire songs. Her creative involvement doesn't end there. She also comes up with album concepts, does stage direction, and even creates choreo. On the business side, she's been involved with creative marketing. She designed the (G)I-DLE logo and the carryout box packaging for her solo album.

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Vocal credits aren't related to creative processes. If they were then you could post a list for every idol with all the songs he/she sung in.

Well KOMCA is the best place to look and see who all have credits for lyrics, song writing etc.

I am sure it is a very long list.

So probably better to use "success" as a factor to narrow down.

Then G-Dragon and IU, top the ranks of most successful idol creators.

I believe VIXX Ravi is the most prolific, last I checked.

Apart from actual credits, After School-Kahi and GIDLE-Soyeon, pretty much bootstraped their groups from conception.

Which is a big deal.

I also wonder if idols aren't using ghosts to gain some credits?

After all, if plastic surgery, Photoshop, autotune, lip synch all have become practices, then why not ghosts?

Music production has become an industrialized assembly line process, melody, best, top line, chorus, lyrics, rap line - producers increasingly are curators/assemblers of these - plug and play.

So who knows..

woozi!!

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Vocal credits aren't related to creative processes. If they were then you could post a list for every idol with all the songs he/she sung in.

The biggest bulshite of the year. Lucky it's only march. You can still loose.

Jinyoung when he was in B1A4. He always do the lyrics, composing and arrangement for most of their songs especially around 2013 onwards.

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The biggest bulshite of the year. Lucky it's only march. You can still loose.

What the hell are you talking about?

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I thought I heard that OMG does some too?

CL was ahead of her time making some songs for 2NE1

For OMG when it comes to music production, Mimi write for her rap. Hyojung also have some song credits but its for her songs for Weekly idol not OMG related. In general they are not really that involved.