I'm out of the loop, how bad is Kiel Tutin's choreo?

edit: nvm not him

he is famous for : flay your arms open and now move around like you are a bird flyinggggg

dude has like 4 moves up his sleeves and just recycle them for EVERYONE

His choreography's look like those from Tik Tokers

He must watch too much Naruto with that amount of hand movements.

repetitive moves which most of us have seen before.. kinda irritating and many at times even unflattering on idol dancers..

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he is famous for : flay your arms open and now move around like you are a bird flyinggggg

dude has like 4 moves up his sleeves and just recycle them for EVERYONE

well he worked on Not Shy and we all know how it worked for Itzy... They slayed

The demos never pass 100%

Looks like his choreographies for JYP are better than the ones he's done for YG.

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well he worked on Not Shy and we all know how it worked for Itzy... They slayed

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The demos never pass 100%

yeah and people kept talking about how its similar to 10 other gg choreos

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yeah and people kept talking about how its similar to 10 other gg choreos

still is a cool choreo and at this point nothing is 100% fresh anymore

kpopies demand so much

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still is a cool choreo and at this point nothing is 100% fresh anymore

kpopies demand so much

nah thats BS

There are people like Koharu, Rino,Kasper, Lia Kim, Rian who keep popping out new choreos for groups they work with and have 0 problem being original

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nah thats BS

There are people like Koharu, Rino,Kasper, Lia Kim, Rian who keep popping out new choreos for groups they work with and have 0 problem being original

Got your point but I disagree

Now that i actually learned a kiel tutin routine (dumb dumb, lalisa, hylt, not shy), i aftually like dancing to him. It might look bad when u view it, but when u actually learn the dance, it flows well. 👀

I know they hire him cause they're looking for that "western flair" but he's been re-using the same choreo since 2015

They are just walking and lets not talk about 1:98 This is fckng hilarious

I really like the ones he did for Twice though

Kiel's choreos are all about execution tbh. Dance-oriented groups like Itzy and Twice can execute his choreos incredibly well and he CAN choreograph to a theme (his retro-based choreography for ICSM and When We Disco was really good).

But, if you give him a group that can't execute choreo that well (aka a group that isn't super strong in dance), his choreo is going to look awkward.

Like for Pretty Savage (which people say is his worst choreo)

Bad Execution:

Good Execution:

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Looks like his choreographies for JYP are better than the ones he's done for YG.

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most of these choreos I really like. The twice itzy and StayC ones are great. And 4minute crazy is such an iconic dance. Tbh it’s just the yg dances I don’t really like from what was shown

Basic shit that your average every day dancer could come up with and probably execute better, and his style is just...not appealing?

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Thanks for the answers yall. Now I know he like Hand jobs.

Now if it's not Kiel then who should choreographed ur faves choreo?

Really like Keone Madrid. He did Fire of BTS and Dope; clap your hands of 2ne1; adtoy of 2pm, etc

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Thanks for the answers yall. Now I know he like Hand jobs.

Now if it's not Kiel then who should choreographed ur faves choreo?

More people should hire Koosung Jung. Idk how you can make a choreo as iconic as NCT 127's Kick It and then not get hired after that at all.

Lame guy. Like most tiktokers, he thought he did something

Kiel is literally the best choreographer in Kpop, i dunno how he became AKP's whipping boy lol. Shit is addictive.

he conned everyone into thinking he was a top tier choreographer from his time with Parris Goebel.

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With this choreography he got me.... not. The only thing I love about this choreography is Rose.

lmao He heard "on the ground" and came into the studio like "how about we get you ON the ground"

Literally such an horrible decision when kpop is about learning dances and no one wants to do that.

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lmao He heard "on the ground" and came into the studio like "how about we get you ON the ground"

Literally such an horrible decision when kpop is about learning dances and no one wants to do that.

Worst offender is the 'driving' move when she says 'just drove by your house' lol

But YGX's Lee Jung choreographed Lalisa when she's choreographed bangers like Wannabe so I'm just coming to the conclusion that all choreographers are just shit when it comes to BP.

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I know they hire him cause they're looking for that "western flair" but he's been re-using the same choreo since 2015

if they want western flair, why not get

Kyle Hanagami, Jojo Gomez, Joesar Alva, Tucker Barkley, Vinh Nguyen, Keone Madrid, Nicole Kirkland, Brian Friedman, Dee Glazer, CJ Salvador, Ysabelle Capitule, Bailey Sok, Melvin Timtim, literally 20000 other people i can name

His twice choreos look good to me

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yup, I mean, if I want to mop the floor, I use a mop and not myself

Actually OTG backup dancer choreo is really good. It’s just the center choreo that’s too “pretty girl” type that’s way too posey.

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Worst offender is the 'driving' move when she says 'just drove by your house' lol

But YGX's Lee Jung choreographed Lalisa when she's choreographed bangers like Wannabe so I'm just coming to the conclusion that all choreographers are just shit when it comes to BP.

Or maybe YG just commissions easy dances that are more tiktok-friendly. Ive noticed it since OTG with the whole camera tricks, too.

He basically did some black magic on the K-pop companies, they all hire him for some reason...

He is very very good for Twice for what I know

Cry For Me, Feel Special and Fancy were insane, some of the best choreos I have seen from Twice. He is a huge part of Twice's transformation to the mature selves and exploring their dancing capabilities to the highest level.

I think Kiel didn't do justice to BLACKPINK in 2020 with HYLT.

But what he did for TWICE in 2019 was good, Fancy is definitely the best choreo of TWICE, and Feel Speical is also on top for me.

I like the choreography he does for Twice. ICSM, Cry for Me, Fanfare, More and More are some of my favorite choreo.