Do you think SNSD revolutionize KPOP ?

  • AllKill VIP

    In 2017 when Sooyoung, Seohyun and Tiffany decided to leave SM but announce that they were still part of SNSD, and that SNSD will still find sometimes to promote as a group


    Most people consider that it was a joke and that SNSD was unoficially disbanded cuz there was no way that some members who left a label could still promote with their group under this same label


    Most people thought that they just used this excuse for their fanbase to keep hope for a reunion and not lost their fans.


    And then history prove us that these people were wrong


    This situation was unique in kpop and made a lot of people wonder how it can work


    But now so much idols decide to take the same path by following their solo activities under a different label while still being part of their group and making group activities under their previous label.

    For example Blackpink, Gfriend, Infinite, Kara, Super Junior etc....


    Do you think Snsd have been pioneer in kpop even at the end of their full time group career ?

  • AllKill VIP

    Not really, I wouldn't credit this renew/not renew thing to them. Idols not renewing as soloists, but staying together as groups is solely based on how their companies treated their careers and it was bound to happen for them not to renew.

    Quote from monalisalove

    Not really, I wouldn't credit this renew/not renew thing to them. Idols not renewing as soloists, but staying together as groups is solely based on how their companies treated their careers and it was bound to happen for them not to renew.

    I could be wrong, I'm no Wikipedia, but I'm almost 100% sure something like this never happened in Kpop before SNSD. Especially with girl groups.


    Most groups just disband after 7 years and move on, they don't do any comebacks after 5 years long hiatus like SNSD did.

    Quote from Popper-of-Ks

    SNSD weren't the first "disbanded" group to have a reunion (which is all they've done so far), so you can't credit them with starting that trend.

    And yes, we could say, it's just a reunion, but isn't what every group does after being active for a decade or more? Not many groups are still active almost every year when they hit the 10 year mark. I don't think there's one group that releases music every year if they're older than 10 years. GFriend, Bigbang, 2NE1, and even Blackpink's new comeback feels more like a reunion than an actual comeback. Not doing anything for 3 years as a group, I think we can call a potential cb a reunion.


    Even Mamamoo is starting to feel like they will become a Legacy group that will release music every 2-3 years. To be fair, there aren't my groups with all members releasing solo songs every year either.

    Quote from David33

    I could be wrong, I'm no Wikipedia, but I'm almost 100% sure something like this never happened in Kpop before SNSD. Especially with girl groups.


    Most groups just disband after 7 years and move on, they don't do any comebacks after 5 years long hiatus like SNSD did.

    But others groups never did it bc they didn't have enough fans to support them.

    Do you think BP is doing it bc SNSD did it first? Nope, they are doing it bc they are at their peak, have connections, have fandom support and saw how YGE did nothing for them. So I say that this is happening more now bc groups finally have enough recognition to try and want to try.


    Quote from David33

    even Blackpink's new comeback feels more like a reunion than an actual comeback. Not doing anything for 3 years as a group, I think we can call a potential cb a reunion.

    And nope, a reunion is releasing a single and few tv appearances, BP will release music, promote and have a tour, it's a proper cb. Now after this cb and tour idk if they'll cb again, but for now it's a cb with all in!

    Erm I don't think it's that special like many other groups would do that even if SNSD didn't do that they so happen to be the first few


    Revolutionize is something like SM revolutionizing KPOP with SLAVE CONTRACTS and SM revolutionizing KPOP with lawsuits by suing almost every single group they have

    Edited once, last by icyruios ().

  • AllKill VIP
    Quote from monalisalove

    But others groups never did it bc they didn't have enough fans to support them.

    Do you think BP is doing it bc SNSD did it first? Nope, they are doing it bc they are at their peak, have connections, have fandom support and saw how YGE did nothing for them. So I say that this is happening more now bc groups finally have enough recognition to try and want to try.


    And nope, a reunion is releasing a single and few tv appearances, BP will release music, promote and have a tour, it's a proper cb. Now after this cb and tour idk if they'll cb again, but for now it's a cb with all in!

    Don't think BP or any other group do it because snsd did it


    But it's pretty clear that kpop company are more open to this type of contractual situation since they saw that SNSD and SM could make it work

    And that they could still take some money out of it


    Cuz like david higlighted no groups did it before

    Cuz no company could accept to put money in a group when most of the members aren't even sign in the company


    And no snsd didn't have a "reunion" it was a full comeback with a full album, teaser, promotion on music show, promotion on tons of variety show, promotion during SMtown Concert

    They promoted it like any current active groups would promote a new comeback


    Quote from Popper-of-Ks

    SNSD weren't the first "disbanded" group to have a reunion (which is all they've done so far), so you can't credit them with starting that trend.

    It's not a reunion

    SNSD is still active as a group and coming back here and there


    Before snsd situation groups like for example SES were doing a reunion in a tv show for new year or variety show

    But the group was officially disbanded


    Before snsd we never had a situation were the group was not disbanded, was doing comeback with full promo on music show and variety show

    While most of the members were sign in different labels



    Quote from monalisalove

    But others groups never did it bc they didn't have enough fans to support them

    Other groups of 2nd gen also had big fanbase or even 1st gen like SES

    It's just that company in the past were not okay to keep promoting a group where members of this groups could make money for themselves without the company having a percentage in their solo activities

    That's why in the past idols always had to quit or disband the groups when pursuing full time solo career


    It was never a question of having a big fandom or not


    But since the snsd situation happen, something in kpop shifted

    With company now seeing that this situation is able to work out and companies are able to find a gain even if the members aren't sign under them

    Still a no for me.

    Kpop companies just accept what will give them money, profit and instead of losing a big group over solo career, it's still better to at least have the group and promote them time by time.


    SNSD did a lot for kpop, but this one isn't one of them.


    Btw I didn't know they promoted a lot, so it wasn't a reunion ? it was also a proper cb.

  • AllKill VIP
    Quote from icyruios

    Erm I don't think it's that special like many other groups would do that even if SNSD didn't do that they so happen to be the first few

    Well you just confirm that they did revolutionize kpop then


    If nobody was able to do it in the past


    And SNSD was the first kpop group able to put their balls on the table and say what they want and have it


    And after this we saw tons of groups do it


    Then Yes SNSD revolutionize kpop


    And let's not lie by saying companies would have do it one day or not


    Cuz for example when 2NE1 decided to pursue their solo career and decided to leave YG even if they were at their peak and had one of their most successfull commercial comeback with CRUSH

    YG never propose them this type of deal, it was you all sign with YG or 2NE1 is dead

    And it was not the goal of 2ne1 members to disband the group cuz they spent years saying how they love the group etc....



    And yes maybe kpop companies would have made it one day MAYBE

    But they were not able to take this bet until they saw how it work out with SNSD


    Sometimes you need to be honest with yourself

    Quote from SooYoung

    Cuz for example when 2NE1 decided to pursue their solo career and decided to leave YG even if they were at their peak and had one of their most successfull commercial comeback with CRUSH

    YG never propose them this type of deal, it was you all sign with YG or 2NE1 is dead

    And it was not the goal of 2ne1 members to disband the group cuz they spent years saying how they love the group etc....

    You didn't use 2ne1 who had a huge "drug scandal" back then to the point of almost no recovery that time as an example, right?

    YGE tried with them, but kr gp were mad mad at them, but now after years like 10 years they cb. So nope, you won't use it as an example, use your mind, Sooyoung.

  • AllKill VIP

    If kpop companies would accept what give them money and profit instead of losing a solo career like you said

    YG wouldn't have disbanded 2NE1 when they were at their peak with Crush era and were getting more and more popular cuz the members wanted to pursue their solo career



    And no SNSD never said it was a reunion

    A reunion is when the group is disbanded and they decided to comeback once again after disbandment


    SNSD was never disbanded and always said that they will focus on their solo career and the groups would comeback their 15th, 20th etc ...anniversary

    And no it was a clear comeback with full time promotion on music show, appear on knowing brothers, nolto, had their own reality show

    Perform at SMtown concert, had a concert at the olympic hall of seoul

    As I said, 2ne1 example is insane kkkkk no, YGE wouldn't bc at that time they weren't giving profit enough to risk a renew.

  • AllKill VIP

    Just because someone did it first doesn't mean it wasn't doable in the past


    It just wasn't done yet.


    You so happen to be the first


    What is revolutionary is SM with their slave contracts and many companies follow that is some real paving the way shit


    SNSD didn't cause or allowed idols to join other companies while staying as a group. There is so causation.


    If you say SNSD with their photocards thing yes I would give that to them because many groups follow suit after.


    But this? Nah sorry

    Not revolutionised since it's been done before (I think shinwa did it) and it's not a common thing across the industry (yet) but SNSD certainly showed it can be possible and idols leaving doesn't need to mean the end of the group.


    I think the key aspect is that SM still sees them as a legitimate group because we all know SM doesn't have a great track record with older groups or idols who leave, that includes SNSD themselves as when SM deliberately sabotaged their 10th anniversary. Look at SNSD standing in SM and it's noticeablely different compared to other older acts; SNSD were allowed to perform as a full group with plenty of songs at SM town during Forever 1 era and currently are promoted as a full group with their own merch and new song whereas other groups have multiple members missing from promo/merch like Shinee, Exo, Suju or are completely absent like Fx. Half the group aren't in SM so there's no reason why SM would promote the non SM members as what happened during the Oh GG days yet here we are.


    I wouldn't be surprised if SNSD status becomes a common sight across the industry with idols in different labels but still performing as part their group under their original label.

    Obviously they are and there hasn't been a bubblegum pop group that has their vocal tone diversity, Harmony, well rounded skills and the depth put into their production even with their filler pop song. Their concept was perfectly balanced and in circumstances that could only be replicated at times pace not a company's. Why? Because they weren't just a group but a moment in history.


    The only issue is the Jessica thing. They really shouldn't have done that in that moment in their career and before Tokyo Dome. That whole incident is the focus of any SNSD discussion. Their musical legacy and their main component of their branding was affected by it. With some people disregarding pre 9/14 music ???? Ignoring their hits and their extremely well done besides for the green they were pioneering? Yes pioneering: IGAB.


    They are SNSD and each member significant/is bigger than westerners will truly understand but their legacy isn't appreciated as much as it would be if it was still the unbreakable 9 and their perfect harmony that set the standard for the entire generation and those to come

    Quote from monalisalove

    But others groups never did it bc they didn't have enough fans to support them.

    Do you think BP is doing it bc SNSD did it first? Nope, they are doing it bc they are at their peak, have connections, have fandom support and saw how YGE did nothing for them. So I say that this is happening more now bc groups finally have enough recognition to try and want to try.


    And nope, a reunion is releasing a single and few tv appearances, BP will release music, promote and have a tour, it's a proper cb. Now after this cb and tour idk if they'll cb again, but for now it's a cb with all in!

    I don't think it's about the fans. I mean, we're talking about BIG3 groups, not nugus. Kpop is like this since day 1. Idols have an expiration date, and that's the 7 year long contract. Kpop groups rely heavily on the general public. Every group! It doesn't matter if we're talking about SNSD, TWICE, BP, BTS, Super Junior, TVXQ etc. All of these groups have massive fandoms.


    If you look at stats, you can see that most groups lose popularity after 7 years, they don't chart as good, don't sell as many albums anymore and so on. That's why agencies disbanding them, and sometimes they do a reunion comebacks like BB, SNSD, 2NE1 etc.


    Blackpink is not a good example, because they didn't disband yet or not on a 5 year long hiatus, and they always released songs every 2 years. Their new cb is just their usual thing, honestly. I'm actually surprised in a way YG didn't disband them after they left the company. I still think this could be their last cb.


    I also don't think groups have more power and getting more recognition than back in the days. BP and BTS are not a good example to discuss this, because they are too big compared to the rest of the Kpop. And no, I didn't say, they only do this because SNSD started it, but they did it first. That's why OP called them pioneers, and that's true.


    I agree about the last part. I can't see YG giving them more cb's. It's pretty much a fact now that they can only be active as a group after 9 years, because they're still popular.

  • AllKill VIP
    Quote from David33

    If you look at stats, you can see that most groups lose popularity after 7 years, they don't chart as good, don't sell as many albums anymore and so on.

    And if I say Day6 is more popular 7 years (9 actually) since their debut in 2015


    Can I then say that Day6 revolutionize the industry by being popular as a group (Kband) after military when most if not all BGs fall in popularity after finishing military.


    Day6 is the only group that comes to my mind that is more popular like way way way more popular than they were before military. Even Big Bang cannot match up to their peak era.


    Day6 truly paved the way and revolutionize the industry yes.


    Anything to upscale Day6 is a win


    ;judgingpepe::pepe-notes::pepe-flirt:

    I was waiting for your Day6 comment. Stop using them against Idol groups, they're not one.🤣

    I never expected it to be more than just a reunion. They might have another one at some point, but they'll never be active again, so my point is they're not doing anything special that other inactive groups haven't. Just off the top of my head, T-ara came back from hiatus the year before SNSD. There might have been others from the previous generation.


    Quote from SooYoung

    It's not a reunion

    It was a reunion. They immediately went inactive again once it was over. It's already been over two years, with no sign of another comeback in sight.

    Quote from Popper-of-Ks

    I never expected it to be more than just a reunion. They might have another one at some point, but they'll never be active again, so my point is they're not doing anything special that other inactive groups haven't. Just off the top of my head, T-ara came back from hiatus the year before SNSD. There might have been others from the previous generation.


    It was a reunion. They immediately went inactive again once it was over. It's already been over two years, with no sign of another comeback in sight.

    Kara cb last year too if I'm not wrong, Shinhwa too, a lot of 1st and 2nd gen groups cb back at some point after becoming inactive and yes, before SNSD.

    Decided to look into this and...


    Naeun had a comeback with Apink while being in a different company in early 2022 (before she left the group for good)


    2PM's last comeback happened after Taecyeon left JYP (2021)


    All of GOT7 left the company, managed to get their trade mark, then have a comeback despite being in 7 different companies with different schedules. Thats honestly much more impressive to me. They came back in early 2022.


    Thats just off the top of my head really, there's more examples (Monsta X I.M). There's also Wheein who is kind of an edge case.


    So no, not really? It's a pretty big stretch.

    They kind of did actually, although not for this reason. Their real impact was in winning their legal battle for the rights to their name & discography. They set a precedent for companies being unable to hold their former group's brand hostage after they leave.


    Also, not only were T-ara the first 2nd gen girl group to have a reunion after hiatus, but they also set off the smaller trend of groups paying for such comebacks out of their own pockets. Most of them weren't even signed to an agency at the time.

    I think "revolutionized" like "paved the way" is so overused in Kpop that it has become a joke.


    SNSD definitely revived the GG game which had faded since the 1st gen Baby VOX, Fin K.L - along with 2NE1 & Wonder Girls.


    If SNSD hadn't happened, it might have been very much possible that Kpop agencies might have not continued refining Idol groups as such a successful product.


    If Gen 1 were the hand built prototypes, then SNSD was the first version from the idol assembly line.


    And they defined their period of about 5 years, and highly loved by Korea.

    10 years straight on the top 10 of Gallup, is yet unmatched by any other Girl Group.

    Quote from Popper-of-Ks

    They kind of did actually, although not for this reason. Their real impact was in winning their legal battle for the rights to their name & discography. They set a precedent for companies being unable to hold their former group's brand hostage after they leave.


    Also, not only were T-ara the first 2nd gen girl group to have a reunion after hiatus, but they also set off the smaller trend of groups paying for such comebacks out of their own pockets. Most of them weren't even signed to an agency at the time.

    Should change the title of the read to T-ara


    Truly the pavers of ways. Fk MBK

    Quote from icyruios

    Should change the title of the read to T-ara


    Truly the pavers of ways. Fk MBK

    From OP:


    "In 2017 when Sooyoung, Seohyun and Tiffany decided to leave SM but announce that they were still part of SNSD, and that SNSD will still find sometimes to promote as a group


    Most people consider that it was a joke and that SNSD was unoficially disbanded cuz there was no way that some members who left a label could still promote with their group under this same label"


    T-ara reunion didn't happen under MBK Ent while SNSD reunion happened under SM Ent


    so no they just left and reunited under a different company. that's been done as early as Shinhwa in 2004


    SNSD and SM has put this 'left the company but still in the group' into practice since 2017 when the 3 members left SM and announced that they would comeback in the future, which they did.


    :pepe-annoy:

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