Revisiting spotify numbers for 2024 releases, BABYMONSTER CRUSHES 'top' groups

so it seems Aespa is not that impressive considering their song number, illit is impressive considering le Sserafim lastly, ıve's got me surprised with their low number. ı expect them more. and also people need to see the difference between nmixx and bm, one has a base of audience that follows and likes their songs.

I am happy that Aespa releases tons of songs but SM should stop giving them random filler songs!

Armageddon album had a lot of mid songs! Thank god we got awesome tracks for whiplash!

SM also should start promoting bsides!

None of the bsides were promoted this year except live my life and SM started promoting live my life so late that hype already died down!

That’s why aespa’s bsides streams are extremely low compared to tts

this is gg only? I'm curious to see skz and enhypen numbers

There have only been 4 new NewJeans songs in 2024. Where is 8 coming from?

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Instrumentals for each

bm got real fans that listens to their music

41 is a lot, how many cb did LSF do this year?

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41 is a lot, how many cb did LSF do this year?

Please it is bcoz they have a lot of remix.

Baby monster only charted one song btw so crushing is a reach

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Please it is bcoz they have a lot of remix.

Baby monster only charted one song btw so crushing is a reach

If this allows Lsf to rank higher, it doesn't matter in PigPD's eyes

Illit is our biggest enemy

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If this allows Lsf to rank higher, it doesn't matter in PigPD's eyes

In next Hybe reports:

"Those monster babies, they keep releasing different type of songs and remixes... that won't work lol also I don't like their appeal"

It's crazy how they have so much ahem playcount but I don't even know how many members there are in the group

Drip charted at 142 now.

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In next Hybe reports:

"Those monster babies, they keep releasing different type of songs and remixes... that won't work lol also I don't like their appeal"

you know what Hybe's report reminds me of

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And then the National Assembly Audit

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We all know out of that top 5, only aespa no. of streams are accurate bc sm doesn't give a shit. Rest is just payola

Just posting this to see how ridiculous yg “promotions” are. Where smaller companies (s2) do better than yg.

Kiof

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BM

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Wait, you changed the thread title. Now I'm back just to declare war. I was going to leave BM alone, but you asked for it now

They really dont

For a big company and considering this is what, like their 4 cmb????

They are doing much of anything nowhere

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Please it is bcoz they have a lot of remix.

Baby monster only charted one song btw so crushing is a reach

still impressive

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Yes there are 15 version of Crazy alone, which is crazy.

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CRAZY 102348719

CRAZY (Bounce Up Remix) 261821

CRAZY (Dance Remix) 237640

CRAZY (David Guetta Remix) 928405

CRAZY (David Guetta Remix) - Extended ver. 354311

CRAZY (EBM Remix) 157812

CRAZY (English ver.) 5536924

CRAZY (Instrumental) 304070

CRAZY (Mash-up ver.) (feat. PinkPantheress, Dashaun Wesley) 473615

CRAZY (Slowed + Reverb ver.) 196616

CRAZY (Sped Up ver.) 516578

CRAZY (Super CRAZY Remix) 134641

CRAZY (Vamos Remix) 127362

CRAZY (Vogue Remix) (feat. Dashaun Wesley) 709164

CRAZY (feat. PinkPantheress) 5862298

And BM may not chart well but they still are up there with the big groups on spotify looking at total streams. Not just youtube success like some seem to think.

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Wow the remixes really are a lot wth

Nmixx are doing better than Itzy ?!!

Hi,

What about the per song average? Regional distro? Socialized data is only as good as the data pulls, otherwise you're not telling the whole story.

-knysom

So when you say "crushes top groups", does monthly listeners or followers mean nothing because there's a massive gap there? I'm just wondering why this is the only metric you're looking at considering such a bold statement.

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because monthly listeners is a meaningless metric that kpop stans use lol. It's unfair to groups that are rookies or have a massive hit like Illit, same with followers. Unlike you I put some thought into the metric I used, 2024 releases is pretty fair.

I'm not sure how you determined it's a "meaningless metric". All metrics are meaningless in a vacuum, as is the one you determined was the only important one. But I'm getting a lot of defensiveness, so clearly there's not really going to be a meaningful discussion here, so good luck with your thread.

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So when you say "crushes top groups", does monthly listeners or followers mean nothing because there's a massive gap there? I'm just wondering why this is the only metric you're looking at considering such a bold statement.

Artist	Monthly Listeners	Daily +/-	Monthly +/-
Blackpink	16,738,719	34,818	651,777
NewJeans	16,114,008	-7,647	551,762
LE SSERAFIM	14,570,511	-20,356	-731,874
aespa	13,031,573	114,387	3,146,524
ILLIT	11,621,982	78,263	1,788,948
TWICE	9,095,967	36,610	921,562
(G)I-DLE	9,076,175	-2,957	-163,261
FIFTY FIFTY	8,586,943	-32,902	-189,250
BABYMONSTER	7,627,382	97,383	401,602
KISS OF LIFE	6,686,087	35,832	285,042
Red Velvet	6,401,077	-23,296	-208,143
IVE	6,154,086	-11,888	-191,009
ITZY	5,581,325	24,785	1,138,934
NMIXX	3,497,954	-27,663	-370,813
2NE1	2,924,791	-2,719	540,959

Artist	Followers	Weekly +/-
Blackpink	51,563,455	116,440
TWICE	20,905,049	29,816
(G)I-DLE	9,872,626	39,256
NewJeans	9,400,881	64,086
Red Velvet	9,275,730	10,183
ITZY	7,788,902	30,180
Mamamoo	7,390,553	7,507
aespa	6,892,528	75,150
LE SSERAFIM	5,999,432	38,221
IVE	4,713,664	30,309
MOMOLAND	3,986,528	9,242
NMIXX	3,200,967	25,696
BABYMONSTER	2,788,908	92,475
Girls' Generation	2,578,765	7,430
2NE1	2,542,705	7,401

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but it's obvious they are taking about 2024 releases though nothing wrong with this thread. I think is pretty fair

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but it's obvious they are taking about 2024 releases though nothing wrong with this thread. I think is pretty fair

There's nothing wrong with analyzing data, but when you make a statement like "crushes top groups", you can't only come with one metric. It's quite silly to extrapolate any meaningful conclusion like that based on one data point.

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There's nothing wrong with analyzing data, but when you make a statement like "crushes top groups", you can't only come with one metric. It's quite silly to extrapolate any meaningful conclusion like that based on one data point.

I think they changed the tittle lol it's just because people are writing baemon off already and they are actually not doing that bad

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I think they changed the tittle lol it's just because people are writing baemon off already and they are actually not doing that bad

Yeah I'm getting that now, especially based on the aggressive response I got that there's a lot defensiveness happening. Seems to be a pattern for me. haha

I'll just speak to where I'm coming from. Perhaps it's just because I'm also an artist, stream numbers alone are only important insofar as they create exposure and followers leading to an actual fanbase of people spending real money. Which is why music analysts tend to look at ratios rather than raw numbers.

Including the remixes??

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Obviously, most of the metrics kpop stans use are arbitrary, but some are more meaningful than others. For example it's not exactly interesting or meaningful that aespa, a group that has existed since 2020, has more followers than babymonster, a rookie group.

Monthly listeners is probably actually decent if you look at the chart you posted, it's more or less in line with what I posted if looking at the 5th gen groups, though it does not show such a large gap between BM and KIOF, and obviously Illit benefits a lot off magnetic. But for older groups it's unfair because obviously they are benefitting from their established fanbase.

So that's why I went with 2024 total streams, it's still prone to issues like Magnetic but is more indicative of a groups success now, not in the past. If you disagree I'm happy to hear an argument against that.

Again, "success" is vague, and obviously Babymonster is successful, but I'm pretty sure we just disagree on what's important. I agree in that Babymonster shouldn't really be compared to well established groups, which is why I was confused on the title. I'm seeing now that there seems to be a lot of discussion on Babymonster vs. Kiss of Life vs. Illit, and that's appropriate I think. But to me, this stat alone isn't convincing me that they are somehow "crushing" clearly much more established groups like Le Sserafim, aespa, or NewJeans.

All of Babymonster's releases were in 2024 except for 1 single, so the only comparable artist in that case is Illit. Kiss of Life could arguably be in there but they also had 2 full EPs released in 2023. If your whole discography is in 2024 then this metric will obviously favor those groups.

Remix is the new digipacks