wtf was hybe thinking with a minor in the group

i usually dont see much an issue, but eunchae in lesserafim is one of the more out of place maknaes in kpop

you have this super bubbly maknae thats much younger then the rest of the group, her with kazuha dressing much more conservative, then you got sakura/yunjin going pure sex half the time

e/ not the mention she was hidden in fearless m/v, now got like 10 seconds of time in easy due to the concepts lol

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i usually dont see much an issue, but eunchae in lesserafim is one of the more out of place maknaes in kpop

How so? Please expound on this take. I'm genuinely curious

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i edited, lesserafim in general imo, is just not balanced at all - should also note, kazuha up until this comeback, wore pants/jeans like 80% of the time, or super long biker shorts if she had a skirt on, clearly wasent comfortable

i dont think its coincidence eunchae/kazuha were also the least trained members and added last minute

e/ its not even about the minors/sexualized thing, like i stan jype groups

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i edited, lesserafim in general imo, is just not balanced at all

i dont think its coincidence eunchae/kazuha were also the least trained members and added last minute

e/ its not even about the minors/sexualized thing, like i stan jype groups

So is your main issue with the outfit coordination? Because, while LSF does hover sometimes in the "sensual" with their concepts, I would never describe any of their choreography as overtly sexual, other than perhaps a couple sequences in Perfect Night's choreography.

But the Fearless/Antifragile/Unforgiven title track trilogy isn't close to the sexy concepts you'd see from previous gen sexy concept queens like AOA or EXID.

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So is your main issue with the outfit coordination? Because, while LSF does hover sometimes in the "sensual" with their concepts, I would never describe any of their choreography as overtly sexual, other than perhaps a couple sequences in Perfect Night's choreography.

But the Fearless/Antifragile/Unforgiven title track trilogy isn't close to the sexy concepts you'd see from previous gen sexy concept queens like AOA or EXID.

yeah its the cordi mostly, the concepts all are fine. but they way they dress yunjin vs eunchae is such a stark difference

e/ like i said, its whatever issue, just makes eunchae look so misplaced in the group, that appears at least by cordi to want to be sexier/edgier

It looks like lsf is going in a more sensual direction idk why im a little surprised i mean they did teeter on the edge before

its like they're waiting on her to turn 18 with these choreos lately which is kinda disgusting imo

I think they should hold off on the sexy concept for now until she becomes an adult.

they had problems about being sexualized even before they debuted with their debut trailer. And then when they debuted they had a controversy for the choreo in Fearless. Are we even surprised atp. Sucks for Eunchae. If they wanted a sexy concept they should have let her debut in another group.

Hi,

Maybe it's just me, but that choreo wasn't sexual at all. It could be because of my previous dance experience though.

-knysom

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Hi,

Maybe it's just me, but that choreo wasn't sexual at all. It could be because of my previous dance experience though.

-knysom

I just rewatched the Easy stage for about the 5th time.

It's not sexual at all. In fact, most Fearnots are upset Eunchae wasn't featured more because this concept and genre suit her dance skills the best.

Well, she is 17, not a big deal. Would say it's more problamatic with groups that have members that are 14-15.

Well. Alteast is not cookie. In the end, doesnt matter. Is a Hybe group and their fans dont care about things like this, they only care if the group is successful.

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this thread isn’t about easy though?

Oh.

Let me watch the Smart stage again and see if it'll alter my opinion.

Yeah, I still don't think it was particularly egregious or anything. Eunchae is 17 not 7. I don't think rolling or shaking hips is that scandalous, but that's just me.

Now were they doing choreo like THIS, I would be concerned

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Sucks for Eunchae. If they wanted a sexy concept they should have let her debut in another group.

Correct me if Im'm wrong ( I get you and catgirl mixed up)

Aren't you the poster that was saying Cookie's lyrics and content are ok because minors can be sexual?

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Aren't you the poster that was saying Cookie's lyrics and content are ok because minors can be sexual?

Actually I am the one tokkis got a beef with ever since I made a post about how problematic the sexualization in NewJeans was... that was like in 2022. I've been targeted by them ever since because they thought me being a dive was the main reason I wasn't a fan of that shit. So no, it definitely wasn't me, lol.

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Actually I am the one tokkis got a beef with ever since I made a post about how problematic the sexualization in NewJeans was... that was like in 2022. I've been targeted by them ever since because they thought me being a dive was the main reason I wasn't a fan of that shit. So no, it definitely wasn't me, lol.

Fair enough

On deeper searching... it was neither of you. Both cat-people here have spoken against Cookie.

I'VE BEEN MANDELA EFFECTED!

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On deeper searching... it was neither of you. Both cat-people here have spoken against Cookie.

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cat people are like asians...

they all look alike!!!

eh yeah who cares they've always been doing weird stuff. i feel like they think as long as shes not doing the butt dance at her main part it's ok lol.

i don't really care 17s old enough in my opinion

the dance looks amazinggg too love the sexy sorta tropical concept for them

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How so? Please expound on this take. I'm genuinely curious

Probably because she kinda doesn't fit with the concept, she is awesome but lsfm does more mature concept with grown ups and then there she is... cute teenager. Although other than that she brings a lot to group dynamic and brings tons of fans with her bubbly personality and varieties, it is just concept which most consider as not really suited for a teenager.

There were complaints before, but ig nothing will change till some more gens

It's a SK issue imo

This and PN's choreo i feel so awkward watching because of Eunchae ngl

There's a part where they all sit down and spread their legs, Eunchae was even in the center and looking so awkward istg i closed the tab immediately. Hybe deserve heavy criticism for this

just a side question but are they gonna be promoting this song more? I literally love the outfits and the dance so much

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Min Hee Jin or whoever said yes to those lyrics is creepy asf
And the MV too
At least the choreo isn't bad
But I still like the song
Without the controversy everyone would call it one of NewJeans' best songs
The instrumental just hits different

(Why did I write this post in this format )

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methinks these kpop companies do this stuff on purpose to lure the creeps

Ofc they do, 100%

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Actually I am the one tokkis got a beef with ever since I made a post about how problematic the sexualization in NewJeans was... that was like in 2022. I've been targeted by them ever since because they thought me being a dive was the main reason I wasn't a fan of that shit. So no, it definitely wasn't me, lol.

Not me though, you're one of the best users here
Isn't it only @/YamaChwan who you've got beef with?
I haven't seen you fighting with anyone else because of this

anyone remember the butt spreading from unforgiven? eugh

smart isn’t even a good song too so it makes it even worse…

I don't see any problem with this. I mean, it's not sexual, at all! This is just dancing. Nothing special. I saw way worse than this. This is just a Latin dance, you can see much younger girls dancing like this in South-America. Dancing, isn't about sex, btw! That's an art too! Do you know how many little girls (under age 12) I've seen at dancing competitions doing dance choreos way worse than this? Now, that's a problem!

For the record, she's 18 years old, especially if we count her Korean age.

There are much younger Idols in Kpop whom are more sexualized. That's why I don't support groups with underage kids.

People have to stop preaching about these things, because it's hypocrisy. If you don't want to see underage kids like this, stop supporting groups like them. You can blame the agencies all you like, but the real fact and problem here, is that Kpop fans just talking, but don't stand up! If people would stop supporting these groups, companies would stop debuting them. Simple as that!

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Now were they doing choreo like THIS, I would be concerned

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I don't think EXID's choreo was worse than this Le Sserafim's. Maybe because what they're wearing. This was in 2014, right? So, their youngest was 18 too. The real problem with this EXID performance is the song. It's so bad... 🤣

BTW this is why I always said, don't force teens to be sexy, because they're not sexy. When an Idol or a woman in general is older than 21, her sexuality feels real, under age 21, it feels forced, most of the time. At least for me. That's why I never thought Mamamoo ladies are not sexy. The same happened with SNSD later, Wonder Girls, FinKL etc.

Teens acting cool is one thing, but when they're trying to be sexy, it creeps me out.😅

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17 international age and 18 Korean age (which isn't a legal thing anymore) are both underage in Korea

Age of majority there is 19 (international) 20-21 (Korean)

Age of majority in Korea is 19, just like in every EU country. In America, it's 18.

As I said, it doesn't matter, this dance choreo is nothing special. I've seen kids under age 10 doing these hip movements in South-America and no one said a thing. If someone has a problem with this, maybe they have a dirty mind.

Also, again, if people have a problem with this, stop supporting underage Idol groups.

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Not me though, you're one of the best users here
Isn't it only @/YamaChwan who you've got beef with?
I haven't seen you fighting with anyone else because of this

I had discussions with a lot of tokkis before, but things are more chill now. Indeed currently my bickering is only constant with Yama, but we don't really have any harsh feelings about each other despite the heated discussions lol. At least I don't think so.

Thank u so much for the compliment btw much appreciated, I like you too