it’s so irritating? i don’t care that much about nct winning some record of the year award over other much deserving artists because that daesang was literally invented so wannaone wouldn’t disband empty-handed ☠️.. but anyway it’s annoying how they just NEED to get the closing award of the night. they did it to BTS in 2016 (not sure if it was mama or mma but artist of the year— the award that is announced at the end— was handed out BEFORE exo’s album of the year) and now they’ve done it to newjeans.. the event should end on the biggest artist of the year on stage (in this case it’s truly newjeans) but silly charity record of the year award being announced at the end 🤡 the sooner this company admits they’re has-beens, the better it will be lmao. not only in award shows, but wasn’t there a gayo at the end of the year where THE bts was not the closing act but some sm artist was? then even going as far as to split the SMA daesang so SMs taeyeon could also get awarded 🤡🤡 this desperate and pathetic need of theirs to stay relevant in the game even though they’re being outdone by so many other companies since 2017. and this hold they have on the korean industry will be ignored by their delusion fans who will rant about hybe payola at the slightest inconvenience despite their poster company resorting to such ridiculous tactics just to seem relevant and give their fans bragging rights
sm just won’t stop being pathetic and desperate
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Imagine caring about who's closing a show 😑😑
I watched mama and mma and i can't even remember what was the last award or who was the last person on screen
Don't you all have more important things to care
I doubt NJ care about having the last award of the night or not at the moment they went back home the hands full of awards
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Where is the complaint form ??
I personally want to fill a complaint because i consider that aespa didn't have enough light on them when they were sitting
And didn't perform spicy neither
I also want to complain because the blanket on which they were sitting were colorful and i think it's a big mistreatment from melon to not give them black blanket
Because the colorful one weren't matching their outfit so it always looks odd when they appear on the screen
And i couldn't focus during the entire show because these colorful blankets were bothering me the entire show
It's some real mistreatment and also it take away a part of the experience for me as a viewer
And my eyes were bleeding from these awful things
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this whole rant bc of the daesang order
they saved it for last because they were the oldest group to win a daesang. same with exo in 2016/17. in korea, it's general rule that seniors perform last (or at least should, and when they don't it's frowned upon. remember mama 2017 line up order outrage?) and receive their awards last.
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They saved it for last because they’re the most senior. What a BS.
It’s either SM doing some deals or these producers wanna kiss SM’s ass. Either way, SM wins?
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would’ve been so amazing if kpop was chill
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it’s so irritating? i don’t care that much about nct winning some record of the year award over other much deserving artists because that daesang was literally invented so wannaone wouldn’t disband empty-handed ☠️.. but anyway it’s annoying how they just NEED to get the closing award of the night. they did it to BTS in 2016 (not sure if it was mama or mma but artist of the year— the award that is announced at the end— was handed out BEFORE exo’s album of the year) and now they’ve done it to newjeans.. the event should end on the biggest artist of the year on stage (in this case it’s truly newjeans) but silly charity record of the year award being announced at the end 🤡 the sooner this company admits they’re has-beens, the better it will be lmao. not only in award shows, but wasn’t there a gayo at the end of the year where THE bts was not the closing act but some sm artist was? then even going as far as to split the SMA daesang so SMs taeyeon could also get awarded 🤡🤡 this desperate and pathetic need of theirs to stay relevant in the game even though they’re being outdone by so many other companies since 2017. and this hold they have on the korean industry will be ignored by their delusion fans who will rant about hybe payola at the slightest inconvenience despite their poster company resorting to such ridiculous tactics just to seem relevant and give their fans bragging rights
Big Dreamer energy right there
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This again? It's starting to get idiotic and mindnumbing to see K-pop fans do the same exact routine of whining and complaining every year after year, whenever not their faves but some group or artist they dislike or coming from a company they dislike wins this or that 'precious' award.
And now there's even complaining about performance order?! How petty can you get.
Simply accept that award shows, very much like survival shows, will never be 100% fair and have never been 100% fair and will have their own rules they'll follow, and be done with it. Simply enjoy the show, the performances and the fancams.
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in some shows it does matter and it's followed that way. in award shows nowadays the seniority performance order is not followed 100% for obvious ratings reasons. rule of thumb is you save the crowd pleaser for last. lbr most of the people who tune in for award shows are fandoms and nct dream have by far the largest korean fandom out of all the groups who were part of the line up. that + them being a senior group makes it obvious why they'd both save their set for last and their daesang win for last.
why is this so triggering for some people
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this whole rant bc of the daesang order
they saved it for last because they were the oldest group to win a daesang. same with exo in 2016/17. in korea, it's general rule that seniors perform last (or at least should, and when they don't it's frowned upon. remember mama 2017 line up order outrage?) and receive their awards last.
What the?!
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in some shows it does matter and it's followed that way. in award shows nowadays the seniority performance order is not followed 100% for obvious ratings reasons. rule of thumb is you save the crowd pleaser for last. lbr most of the people who tune in for award shows are fandoms and nct dream have by far the largest korean fandom out of all the groups who were part of the line up. that + them being a senior group makes it obvious why they'd both save their set for last and their daesang win for last.
why is this so triggering for some people
So seniority is very important but only if you also have the most fans at the event. Right. Any other permutations you want to add as you seem to know the ins and outs?
Dream shouldn’t have even won a Daesang. The answer is staring you right in the face about why things happened they way they did.
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So seniority is very important but only if you also have the most fans at the event. Right. Any other permutations you want to add as you seem to know the ins and outs?
Dream shouldn’t have even won a Daesang. The answer is staring you right in the face about why things happened they way they did.
dude idk are you korean? if so please do enlighten me if my assumption is wrong considering how important social hierarchy is in a country like south korea.
them deserving or not deserving i couldn't care less. imo seventeen probably had better charting this year, but since they didn't attend, the bg with second best performance in charts took it. simple. unlike some people i won't lose sleep over a group i seemingly do not care for undeservingly winning an award.
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it’s so irritating? i don’t care that much about nct winning some record of the year award over other much deserving artists because that daesang was literally invented so wannaone wouldn’t disband empty-handed ☠️.. but anyway it’s annoying how they just NEED to get the closing award of the night. they did it to BTS in 2016 (not sure if it was mama or mma but artist of the year— the award that is announced at the end— was handed out BEFORE exo’s album of the year) and now they’ve done it to newjeans.. the event should end on the biggest artist of the year on stage (in this case it’s truly newjeans) but silly charity record of the year award being announced at the end 🤡 the sooner this company admits they’re has-beens, the better it will be lmao. not only in award shows, but wasn’t there a gayo at the end of the year where THE bts was not the closing act but some sm artist was? then even going as far as to split the SMA daesang so SMs taeyeon could also get awarded 🤡🤡 this desperate and pathetic need of theirs to stay relevant in the game even though they’re being outdone by so many other companies since 2017. and this hold they have on the korean industry will be ignored by their delusion fans who will rant about hybe payola at the slightest inconvenience despite their poster company resorting to such ridiculous tactics just to seem relevant and give their fans bragging rights
It seems you don’t like planting trees
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dude idk are you korean? if so please do enlighten me if my assumption is wrong considering how important social hierarchy is in a country like south korea.
them deserving or not deserving i couldn't care less. imo seventeen probably had better charting this year, but since they didn't attend, the bg with second best performance in charts took it. simple. unlike some people i won't lose sleep over a group i seemingly do not care for undeservingly winning an award.
The lack of logic is outstanding
They got an award they didn’t deserve and on top of that got to close out the entire ceremony… and you think a lot of this is due to seniority. Christ lmao
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on top of their great charting year for bg standards, their seniority, ratings and appeasing the fans. yes.
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Just checked their last editions
Melon indeed let perform for the last the most senior Daesang winner, as long the artist is there to perform of course
2022: Lim Young Woong (AOTY), as BTS (ROTY) was not in the show
2021: IU (ArOTY and AOTY)
2020: BTS (won the 3 maim awards)
2019: BTS (won the 4 main awards)
2018: BTS (ArOTY and AOTY)
2017: EXO (ArOTY)*
2016: EXO (ArOTY)
2015: Bigbang (ArOTY and SOTY)
2014: Technically the last one was Lee Gukjoo, but the second last was Taeyang (SOTY) because g.o.d. (AOTY) didn't attend
2013: Shinee (ArOTY)
2012: Beast (ArOTY) because Psy (SOTY) didn't attend
Thr exception marked with an * is 2017 when IU should have closed the award instead of EXO, here I believe SM (plus EXO fandom size) were the ones responsible to make EXO perform last but it's an exception rather than the norm. If SM was able to buy their way to perform always last Aespa would have been thr last to perform in 2021, it was not the case
Long story short: This must be a cultural thing. You shouldn't be popping veins over this.
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performing at the end/ closing the show/getting the last daesangs seems like a big deal at end of the year award shows..
bts didn't face a problem after 2019 because they were almost always the senior most artists in the show but for '17-'18 they didn't get these opportunities always even though thety had started dominating the western market
its going to be the same for newjeans...if they can stay as top gg next 2 years they will get those honors ig -
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Just checked their last editions
Melon indeed let perform for the last the most senior Daesang winner, as long the artist is there to perform of course
2022: Lim Young Woong (AOTY), as BTS (ROTY) was not in the show
2021: IU (ArOTY and AOTY)
2020: BTS (won the 3 maim awards)
2019: BTS (won the 4 main awards)
2018: BTS (ArOTY and AOTY)
2017: EXO (ArOTY)*
2016: EXO (ArOTY)
2015: Bigbang (ArOTY and SOTY)
2014: Technically the last one was Lee Gukjoo, but the second last was Taeyang (SOTY) because g.o.d. (AOTY) didn't attend
2013: Shinee (ArOTY)
2012: Beast (ArOTY) because Psy (SOTY) didn't attend
Thr exception marked with an * is 2017 when IU should have closed the award instead of EXO, here I believe SM (plus EXO fandom size) were the ones responsible to make EXO perform last but it's an exception rather than the norm. If SM was able to buy their way to perform always last Aespa would have been thr last to perform in 2021, it was not the case
Long story short: This must be a cultural thing. You shouldn't be popping veins over this.
Not sure who you’re trying to respond to here but if it’s me this isn’t about who’s performing last. It’s about changing the order the awards are given out. Giving Record of the Year the grand ending whilst shoehorning in artist of the year before it
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To the OP
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How about starting with yourself? Lol
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I think the point is that last daesang is usually reserved for most senior idol, that's what I understanding.
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I think the point is that last daesang is usually reserved for most senior idol, that's what I understanding.
Clearly not hence the clarification
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Big Dreamer energy right there
so true lol
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Double post.
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Its clear that Asia has it's way of doing things and Ifans can only rant about it because we don't understand so well.
Btw it's entertaining to see how so many people get triggered during award show season when we don't have control over which idol gets what award and performs when at the award shows!
I thought SM was falling but it looks like they still got it
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dude idk are you korean? if so please do enlighten me if my assumption is wrong considering how important social hierarchy is in a country like south korea.
them deserving or not deserving i couldn't care less. imo seventeen probably had better charting this year, but since they didn't attend, the bg with second best performance in charts took it. simple. unlike some people i won't lose sleep over a group i seemingly do not care for undeservingly winning an award.
Agreed. Seventeen prob should have gotten this. I mean they blew the sales records out of the water. New Jeans wasn’t even close. But some feel their favorites should have gotten it all. These award shows are all rigged in one way or another, makes you wonder if awards were given on talent and stats who the real winners would be? I will just enjoy the music I love and not fret over awards. Hope your Holiday season is going well
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ROTY is not bigger than Artist, Album, Song. NJ and IVE dominated either way.
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MMA'S ENDING DAESANG'S HISTORY
2018
Song - Album - Record - Artist
Ending = BTS
2019
Record - Song - Album - Artist
Ending = BTS
2020
No record award
Artist = ending
Ending = BTS
2021
Record - Song - Album - Artist
Ending = IU
2022
Album - Record - Song - Artist
Ending = Im Youngwoong
2023
Song - Album - Artist - Record
Ending = NCT Dreamaccording to a 'theqoo' article I saw translated on pannchoa
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MMA'S ENDING DAESANG'S HISTORY
2018
Song - Album - Record - Artist
Ending = BTS
2019
Record - Song - Album - Artist
Ending = BTS
2020
No record award
Artist = ending
Ending = BTS
2021
Record - Song - Album - Artist
Ending = IU
2022
Album - Record - Song - Artist
Ending = Im Youngwoong
2023
Song - Album - Artist - Record
Ending = NCT Dreamaccording to a 'theqoo' article I saw translated on pannchoa
so I don't know how accurate it isyeah I don't think the order is accurate. I clearly remember for 2021 MMA, BTS getting the award first and then Aespa. Ending could've been IU though since she attended and won 2 daesangs.
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