Can people stop lying and say music is the main reason groups are successful?

i didn't like these songs but i like both groups. they got good yt stuff

for Newjeans
combo of members and music

the concept of Newjeans
the image and aura of fresh and youth aura
can't do it without their teenage lineup

it will look force or cringe if members in their 20s and up
do the Newjeans concept or dance

I don’t like these songs

No one says that music is the only factor but it’s not irrelevant either

Let them be delusional

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Its easy to say that when its not released by a group youre interested

Which is exactly why i say music in kpop is not the main factor, never was never will be

Its more of a push

So youre saying they have good music?

i like their vlogs

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Its easy to say that when its not released by a group youre interested

Which is exactly why i say music in kpop is not the main factor, never was never will be

Its more of a push

So youre saying they have good music?

So it’s about what other people think is good/ what gets most exposure etc

If that was the case wjsn would be the galaxy global natianal gg and seola would have been president of Korra 5 times already

But it's not

well it is

depends how you see it tho

music will be the main reason only if those people were musically inclined but for a normal gg I doubt it's music the main reason to be succesful only let's be real. There are many factors for a girl group to be succesful music is only one of them.

yes, you're right.

Agree.

edit: didn't understand the title.

Imo, music is 80% of the deal, rest is marketing.

Normally yes, it doesn’t matter if you have great music, but if you’re unknown, it’s hard to have many people listening in. But once in a while you get anomalies that able to break through that glass ceiling because of consistently great music.

Yeah I know some will be rolling their eyes. But it did happened and the initial objective of ARMY was to create awareness of BTS whenever we can because we want more people exposed to their great music. That was all we wanted. Because we know the only way out of nuguness is to be known. And if you really have consistently great music and more people know you, then your chance to shine is greater. But it won’t be overnight.

So you’re doing great OP, because of this thread you are making this two unknown group to me (and maybe others), known. And yeah these are bops. Keep on promoting them!

visuals are the main reason why any group is successful and anyone who says otherwise is delusional

In terms of the above music, it didn’t interest me at all. I think it’s abt catching attention, new & interesting sounds compared to what ur peers are doing and appeal to wider audience.

i feel like you are speaking exclusively from a western person who discovered kpop after bts boom perspective

i know people, myself included who were into the extra ultra superficial stuff as kids but dont give a shit about it anymore but still listen to kpop because, lets be honest, they do put out bangers

there's just so MUCH coming out everyday, that most of it is bound to be forgettable and/or forgotten

its absolutely a game of luck ( although certain fandoms will love to deny )

groups who havent debuted yet can have 10s or 100s of thousands pre-order

how is that musical success?

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please. I dont need to have a different background to know that. Brave Girls already proved my point. No one gave a shit about rollin until some random edit went viral lol. Same thing with up&down becoming a popular song bc of hani's fancam

as i said, there's SO MUCH coming out, no one has the time to or needs to check out everything to be satisfied

regardless, when a LOT of people like a song, its more than likely a well-liked song

i dont like a lot of chart topping songs either but I can see their appeal

if you think there's 100 good nugu songs coming out per year, be realistic, maybe 1 will get discovered

why? because people wont bother

because they dont care about good songs? no, because they have busy lives of their own and cant be arsed

Can people stop lying that visuals are the main reason groups are successful? If it is all about visuals, why aren't EXO and NCT bigger than BTS?

Music definitely is the main factor behind success. You can have the largest company in the world promote an Nmixx song but it isnt going to chart.

Same with a nugu group, it just takes the right song to be noticed and suddenly you’re popular. Look at how DSP became done things out of nothing, or even Big Hit who was a failing nugu company with literally only one GG that was hitting scandal after scandal, and then through promoting BTS enough with great music people started to pay attention.

The issue now is that kpop stans are impatient. You arent historically (in any music industry) going to debut your first song as a hit, but now we expect groups to be charting worldwide on day one with no fanbase.

We dont even measure success correctly in kpop

Being successful doesnt mean you’re number one. It means that you’re comfortably living and you have some sort of mass influence

If just 1 million paid attention to every post you made on YouTube you’d be successful, but not if you’re in kpop??? Weird

In general, the most important factor for groups to not fail is exposure / promotion. But since nugu groups don’t have that, luck is their best chance to blow up. Whereas for groups from big companies where the exposure / promotion is already guaranteed thanks to the company label, music / concept then becomes the driving factor in deciding which group will come out on top. Extra perks like the idols’ visuals or charms or personalities all come into play too but essentially to dominate on a wide scale if your music doesn’t resonate with a wide portion of the public, no amount of company privilege or huge budget promotion can take you to the next level in terms of public recognition. Better just be content with “only” having a built in decent-sized to big fandom so you don’t go under after a few years like most nugu groups who don’t have the luck to succeed regardless of what their music sounds like.

People acting like your music doesn’t matter to have a string of many hit songs are equally foolish as those acting like the music is the only thing that matters lol this shit is like the pot calling the kettle black and neither is as pale as they think

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Can people stop lying that visuals are the main reason groups are successful? If it is all about visuals, why aren't EXO and NCT bigger than BTS?

But BTS were nugu it doesn’t work for them

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Normally yes, it doesn’t matter if you have great music, but if you’re unknown, it’s hard to have many people listening in. But once in a while you get anomalies that able to break through that glass ceiling because of consistently great music.

Yeah I know some will be rolling their eyes. But it did happened and the initial objective of ARMY was to create awareness of BTS whenever we can because we want more people exposed to their great music. That was all we wanted. Because we know the only way out of nuguness is to be known. And if you really have consistently great music and more people know you, then your chance to shine is greater. But it won’t be overnight.

So you’re doing great OP, because of this thread you are making this two unknown group to me (and maybe others), known. And yeah these are bops. Keep on promoting them!

It still doesn’t mean it was mainly because of the music. Kpop itself relies on developing a para social relationship with the idols. So this statement isn’t suddenly untrue for BTS. If they had just dropped the music without ever releasing vlives/tweeting and connecting with people on social media and making you like them you think they would be just as successful? If you do well that’s just naivety. The way they developed the para social relations was lot less pushed by traditional ways the big companies did true but that doesn’t negate the fact the para social relationship were indeed built and that led to their fame as well.

KPOP regardless of the act sells a lot of things that’s not music and BTS isn’t exempt from this.