I never understood why working with variety of composers is held against SM groups

SM has always been in the receiving end for everything. Nothing they do ever seems right to anyone.

Yeah I like that they're willing to work with many different writers and explore musically

Just drop Yoo Youngjin and we're good

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Watch out

they gonna barge in here and call you entitled trashy sm stans

Been through that before, have enough experience to deal with it again

Well... I never complain when they work with Bárður Háberg and Óli Jógvanson.

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whats your beef with that dude?

Sticker and whatever in the dishwasher Savage was

oKaY sM sTaN

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I'm here feeding your victim complex

Thanks, YG stans used to give hard time back in 2nd gen era, now its Hybe groups' stans

Preach

And I like that they aren't afraid to give opportunities to producers who are relatively new to the kpop scene. NCT Dream's latest album is a good example of that. Many of the producers weren't the usual SM goes for, especially the title track - I believe the only kpop song they had previously worked on was a b-side on Chen's second mini album.

This is quite evident also in the soloists' albums. The composers of Kai's tracks are totally different from the ones who produced Suho's or Baekhyun's, and that's within the same group.

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The day Tablo revealed LeeHi and Jjong collab, akp users pulled their hairs out real times

It was so crazy

They wanted both Tablo and LeeHi out as traitors

I'm sure its bcoz quality was collabing with quantity

I wasn't on akp back then luckily

What? SM is criticized for it? They used to be praised a lot for working with the producers from all over the world.

And that's how it should be done.

I think they have a great concept when it comes to producing. they even do producing camps where producers from all over the world get together and create music. they let their own idols produce and work together with international producers too.

I`m not really a fan of the sm hate. I`m not saying sm is the perfect company, but there is nothing perfect in this world. those ppl trash talking about sm just retell anti speech they read online and even believe it. the truth is, we dont know anything about sm or other companies. so ppl should stop acting like sm is the freaking antichrist and all other companies jesus.

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Idk about sticker and savage but ae energy is like a new version of shinee world and I live for it

Dude literally every song off that EP is great and better than Savage yet they chose that as the title track like what the f u c k

People often forget there are plenty of ways to criticize how SM has conducted itself as a business.

But if you want an honest answer, anytime I see a short story of producers/composers, to me that's not a song worth listening to.

Songs are meant to be creative outlets for composers and musicians - a song with 6+ people working on it isn't a song designed to any sort of vision, it's simply a commercial music product designed by committee, for maximum focus group coverage. It's soulless even more than usual by Kpop Standards.

And that approach is very often found in SM (and also Hybe) songs. So I get why people avoid SM songs, because I can understand and agree with the reasoning to avoid them.

Also indifference isn't hate. I've outlined reasons why I personally avoid anything SM, but it's not like I'm out there hating or posting shit about their groups and members. I simply avoid them completely.

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I think they have a great concept when it comes to producing. they even do producing camps where producers from all over the world get together and create music. they let their own idols produce and work together with international producers too.

I`m not really a fan of the sm hate. I`m not saying sm is the perfect company, but there is nothing perfect in this world. those ppl trash talking about sm just retell anti speech they read online and even believe it. the truth is, we dont know anything about sm or other companies. so ppl should stop acting like sm is the freaking antichrist and all other companies jesus.

Idk about composition because most of their music doesn't match my taste but their production is top tier.

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SM has always been in the receiving end for everything. Nothing they do ever seems right to anyone.

War flashbacks to paid online concerts lol

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People often forget there are plenty of ways to criticize how SM has conducted itself as a business.

But if you want an honest answer, anytime I see a short story of producers/composers, to me that's not a song worth listening to.

Songs are meant to be creative outlets for composers and musicians - a song with 6+ people working on it isn't a song designed to any sort of vision, it's simply a commercial music product designed by committee, for maximum focus group coverage. It's soulless even more than usual by Kpop Standards.

And that approach is very often found in SM (and also Hybe) songs. So I get why people avoid SM songs, because I can understand and agree with the reasoning to avoid them.

Also indifference isn't hate. I've outlined reasons why I personally avoid anything SM, but it's not like I'm out there hating or posting shit about their groups and members. I simply avoid them completely.

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I agree completely with the point about songwriting by committee. It's INSANE right now, whether Kpop or local pop, how many freaking brains does it take to write a 2.7 minute ditty that any rando with Garageband can whip up in 20 minutes.

In contrast, look at my boy Teddy. This master hitmaker wrote a masterpiece almost by himself. Filled with multiple moving parts, complex but still cohesive, a real song that is interesting and that takes you somewhere.

A song written by 5 composers:

A product designed by committee.

A song composed by a band with 5 members:

Self-expression of the highest order.

Tell me more AKP.

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How long has been BP hiatus by now?

Low blow .

I'm not even talking about SM specifically, i'm just sayin that there used to be a time when songwriting was an art. When even the mustiest dudes who looked like they hadnt seen a shower in weeks played instruments and wrote entire albums all by themselves, albums that went on to sell millions or even tens of millions.

Nowadays, we have Olivia, Soyeon, 3Racha...and who else? I loved Kiss Me More for example, Doja Cat is great, but that simple melody and beat took ELEVEN SONGWRITERS AND PRODUCERS to make. I was aghast when i saw that shit.

Ok now I know never to work with other people on projects because it'll be a lower quality. This thread is very educational!

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Sticker and whatever in the dishwasher Savage was

lol savage is the only aespa tt I like and the best song from their ep and sticker would be one of the best nct songs without the flute imo (except the ''like a sticker sticker'' part makes me kinda cringe)